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monkvolcano	Date: May 29, 2005 @ 12:22 PM yeah.. so I used to have xp on my 1.5 ghz hp piece of crap. back in the days before i knew anything about pcs, it started having a lot of serious spyware problems, so i took it to this place to reformat it for me, they reformated it and put windoze 98 on it.. what a great deal. anyway, so recently i decided upgrade to xp once more. becaus i have no idea where the backup disc that came with my pc is, i had to go the unsavory route of finding a cracked copy online. all was going well.. i installed it, bypassed the activation process and, it worked like a charm.. since i was feeling lucky.. i wanted to see if i could download some updates.. and i could. so eventually i got to sp2.. after, xp said it wasn't activated yet. so i was like "hell i'll just run the same hack i did last time.." big mistake.. i don't know exactly why it happened, but now my computer won't even boot in safe mode. anybody had any experience with this sort of thing? the computer is a worthless piece of shit at the moment, so i want to try to get it running again. thanks..
shadowself	Date: May 29, 2005 @ 7:43 PM Happens sometimes when the computer is infected with spyware and SP2 is installed. Can you boot from CD at all?
TameasDust	Date: May 30, 2005 @ 11:34 AM considering it will cost you more to fix what you have than to get a new pute with new xp on it ... I would go the new pute route ... barring that ... wipe the hard drive ... install clean xp from a friends cd and hope your hard drive don't decide it is gonna crash cause it is an old pute .... putes only last an average of 5 years anyway ...
monkvolcano	Date: May 30, 2005 @ 6:25 PM i don't really know how i would boot from a cd, since i never had an actual copy of xp.. it there anyway i could create a boot disk from another persons computer?
TameasDust	Date: May 30, 2005 @ 10:15 PM you could but it may not have the same drivers as you computer needs to work
Svensta	Date: May 31, 2005 @ 8:18 AM Well, you've discovered that sp2 incorporated a TON of fixes to the registration/activation process and closed a lot of loopholes that people were using to pirate. Why pirate? Why not just go buy a student copy?
monkvolcano	Date: May 31, 2005 @ 2:45 PM yes.. where can i buy a student copy?
woodhead	Date: June 2, 2005 @ 11:55 PM SP2 su***, I installed on mine and it has not been the same since, and I own the copy, Dont install SP2 if you havent yet, crap it is!
Svensta	Date: June 3, 2005 @ 9:07 AM I am casting about for a few resources right now. Would you happen to be a student? Its not mandatory, but it would make such MUCH easier for you.
shadowself	Date: June 3, 2005 @ 5:03 PM SP2 is fine on my machine, but I am a tech and keep it properly maintained and spyware-free (and I avoid Internet Explorer and MSN at all costs). Why not download Linux if you hate MS so much? It's free!
monkvolcano	Date: June 4, 2005 @ 1:05 AM yes i'm a student. i found one website that is really good.. academicsuperstore.com yeah.. i don't know about linux.. would i be able to run the apps that i wanted? I'm curious, but I don't know how well it would work for me.
Thaspian	Date: June 10, 2005 @ 10:05 PM The more people bitch about windows, the more they use it. The people who hate it the most usually use linux or macs the least. If you hate it so badly, there are quite a few other options. Everytime microsoft releases a new service pack or update, someone manages to have a computer fucked up enough to have these weird things happen. While windows isn't the best in the world, a service pack won't screw it to hell unless it's a real piece of crap - software wise, not hardware wise.
kyodylee	Date: June 10, 2005 @ 11:02 PM Nary a problem here with it ... 'course I just installed it a couple weeks ago. Did my homework first, started with a clean machine and installed from a CD rather than the Update site. So far ... all is good!
wet1	Date: June 19, 2005 @ 4:50 PM I haven't had problems with the sp2 since I started doing the install with sp2 as part of the install. However, I am so fed up with Microsucks and it's resource hungry, glitch laden, malware prone OS that I have finally decided to go to Linux. Having already tried several "flavors" of Linux, I see no major problems with it other than finding the right flavor for me. Once that is done, I intent to stay with Linux and get away from Microsucks as much as possible. At present, I am using Firefox with Suse to surf the net and to also write this responce. I believe that I will be far happier with an OS less prone to picking up anything that comes down the tubes in the line of malware.
TameasDust	Date: November 16, 2005 @ 11:31 AM but di you like it
hantu	Date: November 16, 2005 @ 11:35 AM well from what i know you can't install sp2 on a cracked version of xp
shadowself	Date: November 16, 2005 @ 1:38 PM Depends on the cracked version - on some, you can. Linux will be fine until you start missing your Windows apps.
hantu	Date: November 16, 2005 @ 1:40 PM hehe ... linux will always be a good friend ...lol
GeneHilbert	Date: November 16, 2005 @ 3:39 PM If it was me - I would reformat the drive again, do a fresh new install of win 2000.... dedicate it to a secondary music computer or primary office and internet machine. Then call it a day.
jimbobber1985	Date: November 23, 2005 @ 6:34 AM i heard that during the update process (when ur comp is scanned 2 see what updates r needed) microsoft can detect pirated/cracked software and install or remove essential files, causing the comp to blue screen or not boot up. it happen to an old comp of mine and a firends, just the other day.
shadowself	Date: November 23, 2005 @ 10:33 AM Can you provide some credible proof of this? I have... uhh.. seen... cracked versions of XP updated without a hitch. Of course, the machine was spyware-free, the user would never use Internet Explorer, and the user ensured he had a version of XP that was not on the list of 10 serials that 10 million people use.
jimbobber1985	Date: November 23, 2005 @ 3:56 PM well it happened so... maybe it was just coincidence
azhazhellfire	Date: November 23, 2005 @ 5:16 PM Why update? If your computer functions perfectly and you have a decent antivirus what's the point? more to the point: why in shit would you even use XP? What advantages does it have over the fully pirated fully modded for security version of win2k that I have installed now? even more to the point: why in the everliving fuck of the universe would you update to sp2? my mum runs a business with sp2 installed on the computer in her office and after some experience with it I can say with no exaggeration that it created far more problems with the shitty interface and the intrusive bullshit firewall than it solves.
shadowself	Date: November 23, 2005 @ 5:53 PM Why update? If your computer functions perfectly and you have a decent antivirus what's the point? You, my friend, are a potential posterboy for WebTV.
K3VIN	Date: November 23, 2005 @ 5:55 PM xp has all these littel features that dont really amtter like that voice recognize shit that slow down ur computer and dont mean nething 2000 is faster and better
shadowself	Date: November 23, 2005 @ 5:57 PM It's quite obvious that you are either uninformed, or projecting something that happened to one computer to the entire distribution of the OS. I am a tech. Therefore, I keep my computer free of bugs, viruses, spyware, etc. Therefore, my updates go flawlessly. The people who have problems with the updates are usually the novices or "armchair techs" who use Internet Explorer, frequent pogo.com and other sites that would be crawling with spyware, and do not apply the security patches. If you find the interface shitty, you should know that you can change it to the classic Windows interface with a couple of clicks. That's the first thing I do when I install XP.
shadowself	Date: November 23, 2005 @ 5:57 PM 2000 is faster and better What. The. Fuck.
shadowself	Date: November 23, 2005 @ 5:59 PM I don't have anything against 2000, except for the fact that it is a five year old operating system that takes about the same length of time to boot up. I used it as my main workstation at the office, and it was quite stable. 2000 may be faster on an old machine, yes. But on a new machine - no way. Also, keep in mind that XP and 2000 are built from the same guts.
K3VIN	Date: November 23, 2005 @ 6:01 PM my step dad knows things like that too and its just better sorry in my opinion faster compared to my friends if we had the same comp yea it would be
K3VIN	Date: November 23, 2005 @ 6:02 PM ye my comp is older so it works better i guess
azhazhellfire	Date: November 23, 2005 @ 6:43 PM Shadowself: you obviously know what you're on about, so maybe you'd like to actually explain yourself instead of throwing around random meaningless insults. Start by actually answering the question I asked first: Why update? ok you've got the security aspect but allow me to tell you my experience: I have windows 2000 sp4 with no security patches. Theoretically this should be damn insecure, and yet, in the year I've had this setup I've never had any problems, ever. Except for one time I was messing about trying to change the login theme and couldn't login at all afterwards and had to reinstall windows. Why use windows xp? and why the hell update to sp2?
shadowself	Date: November 23, 2005 @ 8:26 PM Why update? If your computer functions perfectly and you have a decent antivirus what's the point?" I took "update" to mean, "why update your existing operating system with the latest patches?" and that is why I made my snide remark. It is vitally important to keep your OS up to date, if at least only the latest security patches. Windows XP on a machine with the recommended specs is faster than Win2K. Boots so much faster, too. It also offers more support for games and for newer, CPU-hungry applications. Personally, I like the native Remote Desktop feature, as I can use my home computer all day, even when I am at work. Some people like the new design, as it can be friendly for novices and people who want a bit of colour (I can't ^#%$ stand it, myself). Like Windows 2000, it is stable - and if an application crashes and burns, it does not take the OS down with it (except in extreme cases, which are rare). I am comfortable running a few weeks without a reboot, and many of my reboots are just from years of habit. As for service pack 2: as I mentioned before, cases of SP2 messing up the computer are few and far between. It happens. Just like installing any application has the remote possibility of pooching your system. Millions of installs go without a hitch, but when one messes up a machine, the victim will talk about it. A lot. That's fine and understandable, I would too! But it makes it seem like the overall problem is worse than it actually is. Because XP is a newer OS, all the security holes have not been found yet - it's especially important to stay up to date. And for chrissakes, ditch IE already. Doing so will close most of the security holes. In any Windows version. Firewall? Meh. I turned it off, I use my router. But yeah... I am much more adamant about the need to update than upgrade. Unless, of course, you're running WinME. That OS is poop." id="179007">OK, I got my back up there... but it sounded like you thought us all idiots for using XP, so I got defensive. Sorry about that. As I have said in other posts, different tools for different tasks. As XP is built from essentially the same guts as Win2K, there are not many major core differences. Win2K has the benefit of being older, and most of the security holes have been found and patched. Also, Microsoft is not going to end-of-life Win2K for security patches until at least 2010. The line that concerned me was "Why update? If your computer functions perfectly and you have a decent antivirus what's the point?" I took "update" to mean, "why update your existing operating system with the latest patches?" and that is why I made my snide remark. It is vitally important to keep your OS up to date, if at least only the latest security patches. Windows XP on a machine with the recommended specs is faster than Win2K. Boots so much faster, too. It also offers more support for games and for newer, CPU-hungry applications. Personally, I like the native Remote Desktop feature, as I can use my home computer all day, even when I am at work. Some people like the new design, as it can be friendly for novices and people who want a bit of colour (I can't ^#%$ stand it, myself). Like Windows 2000, it is stable - and if an application crashes and burns, it does not take the OS down with it (except in extreme cases, which are rare). I am comfortable running a few weeks without a reboot, and many of my reboots are just from years of habit. As for service pack 2: as I mentioned before, cases of SP2 messing up the computer are few and far between. It happens. Just like installing any application has the remote possibility of pooching your system. Millions of installs go without a hitch, but when one messes up a machine, the victim will talk about it. A lot. That's fine and understandable, I would too! But it makes it seem like the overall problem is worse than it actually is. Because XP is a newer OS, all the security holes have not been found yet - it's especially important to stay up to date. And for chrissakes, ditch IE already. Doing so will close most of the security holes. In any Windows version. Firewall? Meh. I turned it off, I use my router. But yeah... I am much more adamant about the need to update than upgrade. Unless, of course, you're running WinME. That OS is poop.
shadowself	Date: November 23, 2005 @ 8:33 PM Oh, and why update? OK, picture this. You have a great big neon sign on your door that says "Door unlocked, everything I own is inside. I won't be home until tomorrow. My neighbours are blind. My dog has a neck-cone. There is even a ramp in the shed in case you would like to take the piano." No one has broken in yet. But just because it has not happened does not mean it won't. Antivirus programs don't keep everything out. Instead of relying on the antivirus app to block what comes through the open hole, why not just plug the hole?
azhazhellfire	Date: November 24, 2005 @ 3:22 AM I'd like to congratulate you on a fantastic effort in avoiding the question. Incredibly well done. In fact I nearly closed the thread with the impression that my question had been answered. But then I realised I was walking away from this discussion with significantly less information than I had entered with. I will phrase the question in a simple, un-misunderstandable format: I request that you, Shadowself, compile an explained and backed up list for the DMusic community containing the advantages Windows XP has over Windows 2000. Then I request that you, Shadowself, compile a second list (also explained and backed up) for the DMusic community of the advantages Windows XP *_SP2_* has over Windows XP Original. Thank you.
shadowself	Date: November 24, 2005 @ 7:17 AM Oh, Jesus Christ. Okay, you win. There is no need to ever use XP or upgrade to SP2, and I am a fucking idiot for doing so. I spent a great deal of time answering many questions last night, and I wake up to THIS attitude? Fuck that. I am done here.
shadowself	Date: November 24, 2005 @ 7:25 AM I will phrase the question in a simple, un-misunderstandable format My GOD, you're a jerk. Fuck, man. Had you phrased that totally differently, I might give this the time of day. But nope. Keep your ass-hattery out of my shoutbox and the fuck off my page as well.
K3VIN	Date: November 24, 2005 @ 1:03 PM ok guys lets calm down and forget computers for a second.. its thanksgiving not for me but... lets loosen our limbs with a little http://www.dmusic.com/forum/general/19507#90 PARTTTY!
azhazhellfire	Date: November 24, 2005 @ 3:22 PM Dude there's no need to get angry about it. Yes I was a little arrogant but that's what a debate is all about. The miscommunication was actually more my fault but I'm not supposed to admit that! Part of the goal of winning a debate is to make your opponent look like he doesn't know what he's talking about. No offense meant whatsoever, sorry if I caused any. And there's certainly no need to block me.
K3VIN	Date: November 24, 2005 @ 3:50 PM its not really a debate he took time to help you i thought
azhazhellfire	Date: November 24, 2005 @ 4:31 PM well no, my objective was to get some advantages of xp over win2k from him then prove them wrong.

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