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Technicolour	Date: April 24, 2004 @ 12:02 PM How does artistic integrity play a role in 'your' music? For me, it's the first thing I think of before I press the 'record' button. "Is this the best I could have done?" "Does this song reflect myself as an artist?" "Am I proud of this work?" Too often, I believe artists blur the line between practice tracks, and final compositions. Your thoughts?
sinai	Date: April 24, 2004 @ 12:05 PM it depends, nothing really becomes a final work until you yourself say it is, my preferred method of writing is to juss lay down one or two things, keep listening to it for a few weeks, and then go back in and add anything else. and when your first starting out the best method ive seen for growth is to juss keep writing and recording, most of it being crap, but you keep at it, eventually things start coming together
Arthen	Date: April 24, 2004 @ 12:29 PM sometimes practise tracks magically turn into final compositions.
Chu-Deezy	Date: April 24, 2004 @ 5:16 PM what i'd have 2 say is that practice does make perfect, cuz i noticed how my skills hugely improved in 3 years. now its been about 5 years now that i have been rapping, and most of my final products now are just the way i want them because i've been working for the last 5 years what is perfect to me. Everytime i would finish something or discover something in my flow, or in my writing skills i'd add it on 2 my skill... so now 2 write songs it takes me 20 minutes 2 30 minutes to write where it would take me weeks 2 write.
Intergalacti...	Date: April 25, 2004 @ 5:23 AM To write a song I usually finish it after about 30 mins. I'm a fast writer which is why I'm ready to record an album so fast I just need the mopney etc. But thats why I'm not gonna put any more on here for a while. When I record I record for proper use but when I'm practicin the song and an improvisation part comes up sometime I think damn I wish I recorded that one. But tahts just my adolescent self sayin that everythin is right cos I'm the wonder of the world. We all know we're not but its cool to think that.
Technicolour	Date: April 25, 2004 @ 1:55 PM Anybody can record a track in 30 minutes. I could write 60 songs in C Major in 30 minutes. Just doesn't seem to me that in 30 minutes you can emotionally charge a song, or create a final product. I spend hours mastering my tracks.. hours changing stuff around and getting it 'just-right'. a 30 minute track seems rushed.
Intergalacti...	Date: May 2, 2004 @ 5:52 PM I may change my tracks from time to time but check out my stuff its not all a pile of poo I sing about a lot of things it all depends on what mood I'm i. I'm just one of those people who don't like things unfinished so if I dont start I dont finish but if I start I will finish it I may change it over time but thats another question altoegetyher.
Gmonk	Date: May 4, 2004 @ 12:58 PM Spending hours getting things just right can be a bad thing too. you just end up focusing on one little part and ignoring how it works with the rest of the track. 99% of the time your first ideas are the best. SOme folks write a track in 30 minutes and some write and track in 30 days etc etc. There is no right or wrong here. Just do what you feel and if it sounds right then it is G
Intergalacti...	Date: May 4, 2004 @ 3:58 PM well said
Dexter	Date: May 4, 2004 @ 6:46 PM "What ever happened to integrity? I don't see it on MTV. All I get is choreography and I'll never be a dancer..." Spokesman by Goldfinger
billhudson	Date: May 5, 2004 @ 12:41 PM with me it something really how small music and its world is. No matter where I go people know other people and word does get around. So if someone scews someone else .... it gets around. When I was backstage talking to the Boss, its was funny as hell. We knew some of the same people. As to the music and all... we have a saying in the studio, good is not good enought. Maybe thats why I spend such a long damn time on my CD's. My last one was 13 adat tapes. Still Pickin' Bill Hudson
blubat	Date: May 5, 2004 @ 1:04 PM Well from blubat's point of view...good is whatever we like. we are not going to spend 30 days mastering every little bit of mistake we make...in factmost of time we just press record and we settle with whatever we got no matter the mistakes. Obviously this isnt going to get us signed. But what do we care i dont think music needs to be about perfecting everything...live music is never like that so why does recorded music have to be. Actually all our music on here has tons of mistakes, off key singing, guitar screw ups, heck we even recorded a song we made up 5 minutes before and didnt improvised the drum track. Its all good, because we arent a band trying ot be serious were just trying tohave fun! That said i dont find anything wrong with spending alot of time i myself spend hours on some of my technon tracks because its a different style then blubat. So im guilty of doing both, just depends on the type of music and sutff. Sometimes though i just feel like whatever, especially in dmusic case (if it was a demo tape mayube...probably notbut maybe id try to perfect it) because its so open and people are so honest. Ok my last point (its funny cause this is really just blabbering im not even thinking im just typing and my points are all over and not in order but oh well) sometimes i find when people try to hard or really try to sound good they actually sound worse and they take away some chemistry. One of our singers had tha problem sometimes...he would try to hard and it would compromise his voice. (compare something like blushy girl and flask in hand) but he realised it and now he rules..well IMO ok im done...
Traf	Date: May 11, 2004 @ 7:03 PM This is an interesting question.. I s'pose really we have to define artistic intergrity when applied to music.. I personally think that a lot of the music these days is over produced and all the indescrepencies of players is often ironed out to produce a perfect finished product to the detriment of the artistic value.. I think there are two integrities at stake here... the producers and the musicians... I'm an old pro session player, and over the years of working in studios, I've seen it gradually shift far too much towards the production aspect.. I'm not a producer so I can't talk for them, but as a musician, I feel there has to be artistic integrity... It's an art we are performing... I think that in every musicians heart is a desire to create and construct something meaningful.. It's a bit like painting by numbers when we are young.. in the end we want to be able to paint a picture by ourselves. And I think this applies to musicians... I wish I hadn't had those brandys now.. I'm waffling on a bit.. As for the amount of time someone takes to create something.. there shouldn't be a minumum or maximum time.. The first take often turns out to be the best.. If your in contorl of the situation (like at home).. go with your head... I agree whole heartedly with blubats bit about trying too hard... So there ya go bruvs..
100thmonk	Date: May 13, 2004 @ 7:38 PM what is this integrity you speak of? there is only do and
robbydadrummer	Date: May 13, 2004 @ 8:22 PM integrity: this is what music artists usually have, and the record labels NEVER have! steals a bite out of the ...
100thmonk	Date: May 15, 2004 @ 1:29 AM i try to avoid the 's myself when i can. otherwise i just sit around and get fat just like those other guys who love to have donut's on their coffee breaks. no offense robby, just trying to clarify my lame little joke their. :transform:
100thmonk	Date: May 15, 2004 @ 1:29 AM there

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