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EtherEclectic	Date: February 12, 2006 @ 3:37 AM just wondering, who here thinks that America has too much freedom. i personally do, sometimes i think that we need a bit of control in our country sense people tend to abuse the freedom: bashing the president. getting away with rape, murder etc. pulling the race card every chance they get. people who get wacked with a police stick for resisting arrest complaining about getting wacked. i think this country needs some more harsh punishment, here are my examples: impliment Draconian Law: steal something, your hand gets cut off rape someone you get your "thing" chopped off. molest a child you should DIE. murder someone besides self defense you should die. death penalties: no more chairs, no more gases, just cheap firing squads, sentenced to death? no problem, we can take you out back and have a bullet in your head by tommorrow! public slander of our leader: jail time everything else that is crime related gets you caned. with this the country would be alot safer IMO. oh and ted nugent for president
EtherEclectic	Date: February 12, 2006 @ 3:42 AM oh and i know control isnt really the definition of communism, i just used that word sense so many relate control in a country to them being a communism country.
EtherEclectic	Date: February 12, 2006 @ 4:21 AM shit this was ment to go in the general section... eh sorry
pancreaspuppet	Date: February 12, 2006 @ 5:08 AM Wow. Your post was wrong in SO many ways. I'm not even gonna go into it.
shadowself	Date: February 12, 2006 @ 7:03 AM agreed, puppet.
BlackMage	Date: February 12, 2006 @ 7:06 AM "molest a child you should DIE." Too easy. The child gets to assrape the molester.
leflaw	Date: February 12, 2006 @ 7:47 AM Huh? thats Singapore!
kingo	Date: February 12, 2006 @ 8:09 AM with this the country would be alot safer IMO. Yes. Safest of all would be if everyone were immediately hooked up to a feeding tube at birth and constrained until death. Implement a sort of worker-drone class of medical technicians to take care of everyone while they are kept from going anywhere so that they can't harm themselves or others. Probably for those medical technicians we would want to perform sort of mini-lobotomies on them so they don't get any ideas about doing anything other than what they're there to do. Very, very safe." id="200986">"with this the country would be alot safer IMO. Yes. Safest of all would be if everyone were immediately hooked up to a feeding tube at birth and constrained until death. Implement a sort of worker-drone class of medical technicians to take care of everyone while they are kept from going anywhere so that they can't harm themselves or others. Probably for those medical technicians we would want to perform sort of mini-lobotomies on them so they don't get any ideas about doing anything other than what they're there to do. Very, very safe.
shadowself	Date: February 12, 2006 @ 8:28 AM Pass me the soma.
Bhairava	Date: February 12, 2006 @ 10:18 AM Um you're a bit extreme. I think there definately needs to be more control but your punishments are far too harsh. The reason people do things like molesting children and rape is they are pretty messed up individual its not as simple as breaking the rules. You can't just punish someone that is messed up for what they do its as much soceities fault for not helping them. Really, controlling freedom has to be done by people who have to evolve to a stage they themselves keep control and understand how a soceity should act. Certain freedoms are not acceptable in a soceity though of course just for it to function and so you need rules for them and enforce them but beyond that its mostly down to people. You can't just tell someone if they are nasty to another but not in a illegal way they are doing wrong they have to understand this and stop it themselves.
shadowself	Date: February 12, 2006 @ 11:16 AM Blaming society for people molesting children? Hrm. Regardless, original post was extreme - almost dangerous thinking.
hate9wicket	Date: February 12, 2006 @ 12:11 PM I really hope you're being sarcastic, or just trying to ruffle our feathers, 'cause your measures for ensuring societal balance sound an awful lot like N. Korea, Saudi Arabia, etc. The worst crimes in history, if you recall, were the ones governments encouraged: Nazi Germany, Cambodia, Rawanda, Sudan, former Yugoslavia. Sure, everyone feels safe so long as they are on the right side of wrong. I agree that certain criminals do not get the justice they deserve, but then again, there are plenty of incarcerated folk who'd be better off in alternatives to prison, this country(USA) does not take drug treatment, mental health, education, urban renewal seriously at all. You want this country to right itself? Start by making it a republic again, oligarchies never work out, those golden parachuters can't take it with them when they are dead. Why not stigmatize white coller crime as we do w/child abuse, murder, etc.
FebruaryBattles	Date: February 12, 2006 @ 12:16 PM get ur hands choppedoff for stealing... im not saying stealing is right.. but some people cant get by without stealing... ur post is sick... what are we in the stone age... communism only works in small small communities and is more corrupt then democracy... and punishing people heavily for mistakes... ok lets torture george bush for everytime collatoral damage was inflicted and every pro-war person who allwoed this to happen... well their goes half of america...
EtherEclectic	Date: February 12, 2006 @ 1:56 PM called draconian law and i am not being sarcastic, i think we need firing squads, chopped hands for theives, and castraition for rapists! i am not trying to fuffle feathers, just stating my opinion. sorry if it did ruffle feathers
desiderata	Date: February 12, 2006 @ 2:20 PM I'm OK with chemical castration.
belzoni	Date: February 12, 2006 @ 5:48 PM EtherEclectic, It's a slippery slope you advocate.
zedsalt	Date: February 12, 2006 @ 5:57 PM I defer to Webster's. They make the distinction between actual Communism and most of the systems identifying themselves as "Communist" and make a point to note the fact that the two are polar opposites. Me too. So, with that in mind, I could go along with the thread title...if I could add just one word: We need MORE Communism in America. I seriously doubt the practicality of either pure Communism (the well help the sick, the strong help the weak, the rich help the poor, etc.) or pure Capitalism (where "freedom" means survival of the fittest and how free one is depends on how much money he/she has). But we could use a conspicuous increase in Communism here in the good ol' U.S. of A., at least up to the point where people of wealth and power no longer cripple themselves with their apathy toward others.
belzoni	Date: February 12, 2006 @ 6:00 PM Besides, Ted Nugent would be an awful president. I'd rather have Phyllis Diller. (Turns up Live Double Gonzo)
mattbanx	Date: February 12, 2006 @ 6:22 PM We all live in a police state. Puppet meister on top, and there and secret goverments piled one top of each other. Everytime someone says something about any of the leaders, they seem to don't understand that there is a greater puppet meister sitting on top, than another, than another. Our leaders subserviant to a greater puppeteer. Bush and Kerry were both in skull & bones. But the way people talk, no, only one is bad and the other good. I guess we can at least have dissent without being shot. But even in America, if there is something the goverment does'nt want to be said..... As sick as it sounds, a goverment needs to have a degree of socialism. Otherwise it is God save the queen. Which is'nt really the same as communism. Socialist countries hold free elections. Under communism, it is just the superiors that decide. I read on the tenth to where Putan is going to hold talks with the Hamas. Pretty scarry implications with that. The Bilkemburg, or wahtever secret goverment has it's own press machine. I remember that people were considered nuts saying there was secret goverments. Now it's common knowledge. Scientests getting killed in accidents when they were the most onto something. The goverment esting toxins with jet streams on the population without the publics knowledge. We can have the freedom of speech, but that does'nt mean anyone will listen. With what's happening to the raped woman getting executed in Iraq is actually quite common. Not to pick sides, but I can't believe how many liberals there are saying let them do what they wilt. Getting to what the original poster said about bashing the president. You could only be fair to bash all of them, if you are going to bash any of them. I'm glad there is music.
EtherEclectic	Date: February 12, 2006 @ 6:28 PM oh i did state later lol that i only labelled the titled with "communism" because most relate that to more control. because draconian law is well rather controlling and strick and that is why i said "communism" i am aware of its deeper meaning. dont get me wrong i dont want a dictatorship in america, just wish things werent that easy on the criminals. cable tv, slaps on the wrists, i live in florida where almost every week a missing child that ends up dead is a result of a child molestor who usually just gets life in prison when he should be tortured to the death, after been beaten with a cane... dont worry im harmless, just a bit warped!
mattbanx	Date: February 12, 2006 @ 6:36 PM I believe their should be a lot of control in certain places. The harmless citicen seems to be controlled more than those that harm children. It's just that the controls are in too many of the wrong places. Not that there is'nt a need for it.
100thmonk	Date: February 17, 2006 @ 9:15 PM you've got a lot of guts calling yourself harmless dude.. justice and "communism" i'm not sure where you are going with this, but my personal hope is that it doesn't get any more police-state-like than it already is. i feel as though i should be angry, and it has nothing to do with communism or capitalism.. justice is not vengeance, and there is no safety... grow up and learn to take responsibility for your actions... two wrongs don't make a right..' particularly where justice is concerned. you can't judge a man until you walk a mile in his mocassins.
shadowself	Date: February 17, 2006 @ 9:40 PM ...then you will be a mile away... and you will have his moccasins!
Jazzmary2U	Date: February 17, 2006 @ 9:51 PM ... calling Mr. Smith.. Neo on the phone.. follow the rabbit..
Jazzmary2U	Date: February 17, 2006 @ 9:53 PM Personally, I don't think we should follow any political system that MEN have enacted.. they just ain't workin!!
shadowself	Date: February 17, 2006 @ 10:01 PM Wow, that's going to make you a lot of friends. Even if it is true.
Bhairava	Date: February 17, 2006 @ 10:12 PM [Quote] Personally, I don't think we should follow any political system that MEN have enacted.. they just ain't workin!! [/Quote] You better not be a right wing feminist cause they suck so bad at being female equivalent of a man which they are trying to be. The trick is to not even bother trying.
mattbanx	Date: February 17, 2006 @ 10:54 PM I guess we all have our own idea of what control is. The fact is is that our goverment is mosty socialist. Many, many laws (too many), but not enough enforcemrnt on the importany ones like rape or murder, monk, do you realize that there are actually justices in the supreme court that want to legitimine pedephlia, like Ginsberg? Now our American ports are being sold off to the United Arab Emirates as they harbor terrorists. Maybe the administration thinks they got the right people for the job, who knows? All I know is that Bush has his own interests their and our security is at stake. Should you be told what to do in your own home? Hell no! But where actions can harm the public, there should definately be controls. Good, hard working citicens that don't bother anyone take a back seat to the draconian double talkers while basic laws for our survival get ignored. It worries me that you don't know where I'm going with it.
K3VIN	Date: February 17, 2006 @ 11:45 PM i remember they used to do this back in the ancient times.. i wonder why they dont... because ancient tiems failed!
EtherEclectic	Date: February 17, 2006 @ 11:49 PM firing squads never failed...they are still used in other countries AND including ours! http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2003-05-23-firing-squad_x.htm available upon request apparently, but a bullet is alot cheaper than using the chair etc. its an old method that is still very effective and cheap.
shadowself	Date: February 17, 2006 @ 11:49 PM I agree. Ancient times don't exist anymore because of this failure.
FebruaryBattles	Date: February 17, 2006 @ 11:50 PM u cant cut off peopels hands for stealing... thats like a stupid kid takes some bubble gum and his life is ruined... no!!! that is cruel... firing squads idk much about but it sounds cruel!
EtherEclectic	Date: February 17, 2006 @ 11:52 PM those ancient times were put in the closet by new technology which would eventually just bite us in the rear with the high price of using it.
FebruaryBattles	Date: February 17, 2006 @ 11:53 PM ughh damn conservments of stupid old ways... just give it up.. thats what i hate about america.. they cling to stupid things that they used to use and refuse to give it up... geez... who cares if its a part of history it still will be when u stop donig it.
EtherEclectic	Date: February 17, 2006 @ 11:55 PM fire squads are cruel? isnt murder cruel? are you saying someone who brutally molests and murders a child should be just peacefully put to death? anyone who murders someone in coldblood out of anger or just for their own personal pleasure deserves the same treatment 3fold. three times three...
EtherEclectic	Date: February 17, 2006 @ 11:55 PM you hate america? if you are currently in america..i suggest you get the fuck out then. see people complaining about america so damn much but i doubt they would ever leave.
FebruaryBattles	Date: February 17, 2006 @ 11:59 PM maybe i worded it wrong... that is something that is a con of america... and buddy.. not everyone has the opportunity to leave america... u cant just pick up ur bags and leave... i said thats something i hate abotu it... theirs things i love about america do i hate it no?
FebruaryBattles	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 12:01 AM and if ur so called peaceful death thing... so u chop someones ahnd for stealing.. that doesnt seme like an equal punishment.. id say charge someone... steal tehir money back... but regardless someone putting someone through pain is horrible.. but doing it again is jsut more horrible.. why kill people who kill people to prove killing is wrong?
EtherEclectic	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 12:04 AM well i often refer back to that popular phrase "eye for an eye" just my opinion... sorry for the jump at the america comment, i am a proud american and quick to defend... quick to point at its faults just aswell. i am human after all... from what i've been told i am
FebruaryBattles	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 12:06 AM pain is a horrible thing.. so torture is bad.. i ahte the thought of people being put through pain.
EtherEclectic	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 12:10 AM well from what i hear firing squads are quick, five gunners, with .30 calibur bullets, .30 isnt that strong but five aimed at ya is a quick death. electric chair is the most painful, my state uses them alot.
FebruaryBattles	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 12:12 AM still.. i think we need to find a cure for crime...
100thmonk	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 12:15 AM ether eclectic said "dont worry im harmless..." to which i responded above.. (i don't think we disagree that much on this mattbanx, i was responding to the post itself, not you. however, more control is not what i think is necessary.) i'm not sure where ethereclectic is going with his line of thinking...? i suppose that if instead of speak of mocassins i might say do unto others as you would have done to yourself. if you cannot see that there are conditions that lead individuals to do "wrong" according to society, then you can't understand justice. "All I know is that Bush has his own interests their and our security is at stake." if there were a simple shift in focus, from big brother to the world, out there saving the world from itself, to national health and well being, maybe we could get to an even ground where we could discuss what is truly appropriate punishment. as it is there is injustice on all sides of the law. debate aside, all respect to those who endeavour to open discussion, especially you ethereclectic... even if i don't agree.
FebruaryBattles	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 12:15 AM and cruel punishment is only gonna cause rebellion
mattbanx	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 12:17 AM My only issue with that is that people are not likely to care if they have all the power. In Exodus, God told Moses to rise up against the Cananites (eye for an eye). Yet so called Christians justify Capitol Punishment as a moral, Christian, just law. With the horrible track record of genecide. Even in our enlightened times there are hundreds upon thousands of rapist killers that everyone knows about. But you can bet an innocent person will get the needle---Again. It's almost more evil how the act of killing has been sanitized. Why would I want to give something that would rape and kill a nicer death than most of us will have dying naturally, anyway? At least in ancient times there was more of something to be feared. Fear can be a very good motivator, but only where there's incentive. Power does'nt care, because they don't have to worry about getting executed. They just manuever around words in a book and say it's legal. Just like the poor or classed off populations would'nt have incentive because power will do what they will with them anyway. I see the middle class quickly evaperating. If it has'nt already. The enemy is from within. Peasants Arise!!!! I know that sounds depressing. I'm not starving in Africa at least.
EtherEclectic	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 12:19 AM most of my anger towards how crime is happening and being delt with is the state i live in "florida" i think we have the highest rate of serial murders and child molesters of all 50 states. every week it seems an amber alert is put out on a child abducted and it really bugs me, makes me fear letting my own children outside to play.
FebruaryBattles	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 12:21 AM see this is like ur american comment about moving out.. if u dont liek florida just move.. but ya cant... btw punishment will work for a bit in fear... but eventually people are gonna get pissed off and fight
100thmonk	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 12:55 AM fear is the basis upon which out society works.. and it has not proven a very efficient method in preventing the growth of the population of killers in society. if i'm good and do what the bossman says, i can get tickets to buy the things i need. if i am bad and won't do what the bossman says, i could have my tickets reduced or even revoked, and i could be locked up. if that is not a threat then i don't know what is.
opiumchild	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 3:32 AM whatever happened to when we all used to jsut chill outside and look at the stars i think as soon as we started becoming selfish about our pleasures....thats when things started to get sad i want freedom very muhc, im usually classified as a libertarian or super liberal. i jsut want peace nad love for everyone. no more cars and gases and fuels and pollution and sad stuff jsut smeel the trees and kiss the flwoers yes yes
Bhairava	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 6:21 AM ^^ Hehe yeah opiumchild right on. I think a lot of the problems comes from philosophy more then anything. You have to accept an ideal person which everyone should be like to judge what is bad by comparing it to them. In a mixed belief system people have different ideas of what the ideals is so the government uses a watered down version of laws which try and take all the beliefs in mind and philosophies.
shadowself	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 12:48 PM You have children, Ether? Jesus... let's hope one of them doesn't steal a cookie. It would suck going through life without a hand.
K3VIN	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 2:38 PM yea i tihnk i touched on that above... if they stole candy
Intergalacti...	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 3:25 PM You'll only have to wait about ten years By 2015 China will be the biggest major power in the world (unless pulls his head from the ass of Iraq and sorts them out immediately), America's economy is currently decreasing and China's has been increasing quite dramatically over the past 10/15 years with no one paying attention. They will be the first communist major power. If war breaks out (and with whats going on at the moment its likely it will) America will be outdone by the Chinese even with Britain's help and could quite possibly turn into a communist country in the next thirty years.
K3VIN	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 3:27 PM i thought russia was the first major communist power?
EvilPicnic	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 4:08 PM ^^No they won't. China will adopt full capitalism before the US does communism. The whole reason China's economy has been growing so powerfully is that when they rid themselves of isolationism they decided to outdo the capitalists at their own game - if you can't beat 'em join 'em. They buy and sell just like the consumerist capitalist countries, but have a huge workforce ready to work flat out for extremely low pay. Myself, I'm with opiumchild on the whole peace and love thing. And the whole capital punishment thing - ugh. A child molester is almost always just as much of a victim as the raped child is. They're mentally fucked up, and in most cases it's society which has failed them and caused them to be the way they are. For society to then judge them and decide that they do not deserve to live seems enormously arrogant to me. The men sitting in the big chairs making the big decisions commit worse crimes every day than any chld molester ever did. Justice is an illusion. What we have is a compromise, a cop-out, because true justice is not possible, at least, not in this world. So yeah. Peace and love are nice. But for for the moment I'll have to put up with sitting in the dark cynical corner.
EvilPicnic	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 4:13 PM Sorry, that ^^ thing was aimed at Intergalactic. Or not really aimed, I was just using what he said as a bounce into what I was going to say. The USSR wasn't exactly a minor power... I think he means that it would be the first time a communist power was dominant. The USSR and the US were about neck and neck 'till the US pulled ahead. I agree with him on that. China is going to be pretty damn hugely influential if they don't all get wiped out by some disease brought on by overcrowding.
K3VIN	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 4:36 PM a lot of people who are child molestors were molested as children
EtherEclectic	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 4:53 PM but that doesnt give them the right to do it, and they should be punished for it. just the same as a person who was beat as a child, who decides later on when he has children of his own to be them aswell. they make a decision to do their actions and they should pay for them. and the draconian law theory i ment towards adults stealing, not children. even someone who is dirt poor working at mc donalds does NOT need to steal to survive. that is in response to someone saying that some people NEED to steal to survive. when i was 20 i was kicked out of my house and left with the only choice of either being homeless or join the navy. even in the navy after i found a wife we were DIRT poor: aluminum bowls for food, no bed, only blankets and rice a roni for food. i didnt have to steal to live, we worked for what we have now. people who just automatically take the route of stealing are looking for an easy button.
GeneHilbert	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 4:56 PM Exactly why the circle needs to be broken. There are a few people I won't mind see getting a couple licks from the cane..... I see that better than having them sit in jail. Burglary, any thief, breaking and entering, non violent give them a couple licks and send them home - next offence add 2 licks plus the first two again. These people would start taking notice. Armed robbery - 5 licks first offence, next offence add 5 plus the first 5 again. When their ass get out of the hospital – you’ll see a changed man. Violent sex crimes, such as forcible rape, child rape, chemical castration first offence. I’m sick of it. Crime and Punishment...... Baby
EtherEclectic	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 5:02 PM amen gene! take for instance that fellow who spit gum or something like that on the sidewalk of singapore, he got cained... regardless of wether or not that was fair or not the POINT IS: you know damn well he isnt going to spit gum on their sidewalk again! do the same to someone who decides to rob a 7-11 at gun point... cane his ass and see how many times he tries that again. the word of this spreads out and FEAR of getting brutally caned will reduce SOME crime, not all but some. more than our current pnuishment systems are doing it.
K3VIN	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 5:02 PM its not always a choice to become a child molestor etc. its a mind sate of mental illness.. and what makes cihldren different then adults? they dont have to be punished cause their kids? ok so a 10 year old is allowed to get away with stealing without getting his hands chopped off.. what if he rapes someone? what happens? some people are mentally ill and do not know that they are sick.. look at ajpresenksy taht dude thinks hes going out with the richest child celebrity
K3VIN	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 5:04 PM ok cane them.. then we are gonna have corrupt can people.... they are gonna over abouse... or they are gonna go crazy from beating so many people... it wont work.. theirs a reason why we dont do this.. u guys still livin in the cages.. go outside and see some people, yes some people choose to do drugs and choose to be horrible.. but some people dont..
K3VIN	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 5:04 PM caves*
K3VIN	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 5:05 PM some people have no control.. u dont understand because u see urself as higher as them because u were born more aware
EtherEclectic	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 5:07 PM well i see it this way: the child is more important than the molestor who is believed to be a molestor due to mental illness. better to end the life of someone who molests children than to let him end the life of another child. the same with a sociopathic murderer, they act without remorse and show no signs of ever stopping, a child molestor is rarely able to be permantly made to stop going after children. only reasonable action is to end his life.
K3VIN	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 5:09 PM u cant say someone is more important then someone else... regardless if they are bad... it can be fixed... everyone deserves a chance but yo ether i have a question are u a religious person?
K3VIN	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 5:10 PM oops that was typed wrong.. i agree with ur points though... sick people should be put out of their misery... but painfully? nawww... if they are sick just do it a normal way
K3VIN	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 5:10 PM pain is something very horrible
imamonster	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 5:11 PM We need self proclaimed-completely independantly from the government---- Anarchy! Seriously, read about it.. It's a wonderful thing. Equal rights all around, tolerance, love, beautifully passionate ideas and admiration for exististance and creation. Yes!!
K3VIN	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 5:11 PM i hope that was sarcasm... anarchy only works with mindless beings like neanderthals
EtherEclectic	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 5:14 PM agree on that part, and on religion: i am an eclectic pagan, pretty much a mix between Paganism, satanism, and taoism (daoism)
EtherEclectic	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 5:15 PM agree on the painless death for the harmful helpless not the anarchy comment lol.
K3VIN	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 5:15 PM i do not believe in greater beings or creators.. i believe we die and are dead... no one controls us but ourselves and other people like police...
K3VIN	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 5:17 PM yea i figured... lol im not here to judge u on ur religon i was ust curious where ur view points might come from... because i know a lot of religons that wouldnt say that.. like christianity.. but its in the bible to do so lol.. i feel religon lieks to pick and choose rules ro follow... lets say abortion.. a bad topic nonetheless... but lets say a catholic girl gets pregnant and someone suggests abortion... and she goes well i cant get an abortion its against my religon blah blah.. well isnt it against ur religon to have sex before ur married in the first place...
EtherEclectic	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 5:20 PM lol i was raised christian though, but later found something else...and even then i had sex before i was married, my parents nearly died right there as they found out i was no longer living in navy barracks but with some chick i met. lifes a bitch, you die, and then some dog pees on your grave.
K3VIN	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 5:21 PM know what i hate... people who say god gave humans free choice so its the choice to believe in god blah blah.. then go everytime u do something bad its because satan influenced you or w/e... no its ur choice to commit sin.. (unless u have mental disordereds) its not someone influencing you.. i find religon to be a scape goat in most cases
GeneHilbert	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 5:23 PM "not always a choice to become a child molester". Dude of course it's their choice. No one is holding a gun to there heads telling them to go fuck little Johnny. Come On..... IF you have this Jones so bad that you need to destroy a child to get your rocks off.... You are a sick bastard, and need to either be removed from the public or be treated for the cause, by hatchet or injection, again your choice.
K3VIN	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 5:24 PM you have obviously never dealed with a very sick/twisted person who has no control over their actions.
K3VIN	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 5:25 PM thats a poor example to use... cause even with a gun to ur head its still a choice
K3VIN	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 5:33 PM btw i unblocked u ether i was just quick to defend the hip hop genre as u are quick to defend america. no hard feelings sometimes i overeact lol
shadowself	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 5:39 PM Ether, I am still curious: if your child stole a cookie, would you want his/her hand chopped off?
shadowself	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 5:44 PM And before you reply about children not being responsible for their actions... when your child is 18 and he steals a cookie - what about then?
shadowself	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 5:45 PM 'cause man... your outlook makes George Bush look like a liberal.
victorsskull	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 5:46 PM
GeneHilbert	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 6:01 PM You have no concept of what you are defending. As well it is a little disturbing that you would be an advocate for such monsters, and such a hideous behavioral disorder. Also I hate to burst your bubble but from '77 to 83 was a rehabilitative nursing at Lennox Hill in Mass. A fulltime ER tech at a small rural hospital in Va. as well as I studied nursing and was a full time ward nurse at University Of Virginia. I worked everything form Coronary Care, Burn Unit, Neurosurgery, Plastics and yes the psyche wards both locked and unlocked. So my friend I know a little something about the human condition, seeing as how I had to study the subject. Hand removal from a child for stealing a cookie is a little over the top... However, where do you draw the line? Toys, shoes, clothing, guns, cars - what? Hand removal period is over the top, but a couple whacks with the cane would put an end to it. This is also a learned behavioral pattern and if not corrected could, and I say could become a more serious problem.
Fraser	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 6:24 PM "public slander of our leader: jail time" I think that would be taking away free speech. I think that if someone's leader is doing something they don't like, they should be able to speak badly about the leader if they want to. But I kind of agree with some things. I live in Canada, and things here and in the US are similar, like punishments. If someone rapes someone, or kills another, they don't get punished enough. Getting your dick chopped off for raping someone? Sure, I'll agree to that. Getting your hand chopped off for stealing? Nah, thats way too harsh. I'll admit stealing is wrong, but if someone has no money, and they are dying of hunger, I wouldn't chop off their hand just for taking an apple from a grocery store.
EtherEclectic	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 6:49 PM Ether, I am still curious: if your child stole a cookie, would you want his/her hand chopped off? shadow i also stated i ment the draconian style implimented towards adult crimes, and adults. not children, go up a bit and i did say that. and as far as my own child growing up past 18 then breaking the law, him still being my child doesnt make him imune from the law and had he stoled a car, he deserves to be punished for it. i would hope to raise my children to not steal in the first place. my idea of the draco punishment would be associated to grand theft type crimes, and robbing people not "stealing gum"
EtherEclectic	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 6:52 PM so for the record... chop hands off for high level theft and robbery NOT stealing apples, and candy! im talking about bank robbers, car theft, gunpoint robbery, robbing someones house etc. basically violent crimes
FebruaryBattles	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 10:31 PM ive seen good parents kids turn bad ive seen bad parents kids turn good... u cant draw a line.. look at it this way.. america is more strict with its crime then canada.. yet canada has less crime... and its not population wise... if both countrries were reduced to 1000 people more in the american side would die.... your 350x more likely to die in america then canada... and thats nota population they do it per 1000... and america is a lot stricter. so would stricter laws work idk... go to extreme people are gonna rebel.
EtherEclectic	Date: February 18, 2006 @ 10:50 PM well they cant rebel much after a good caning. if people dont like the harsher punishments rebelling is just going to stick them right at the front of that harsh punishment. and the key things im talking about in favor of strict punishment is murder, rape, robbery, and child molesters. people are going to rebel against stiffer laws on those things? its just my opinion only but murderers, robbers, rapists, and child molesters should be treated just as poorly as they treated their victims.
CowgirlBebop	Date: February 19, 2006 @ 12:03 AM I'm just surprised that you are a mixture of three alternative religions and yet you would say that those who practice free speech should get jail time. I think your Draconian laws belong in the middle ages, but that's beside the point. Advocating the repeal of first amendment rights? That's just horrifying. I know that the argument to this is that the first amendment doesn't protect against slander, but since the "slander" against the President usually consists of "He's a terrible leader," or "Bush is a fucktard," then shouldn't comments of that nature made toward anyone be considered slanderous and thus punished equally? I apparently take my rights pretty seriously. Haha.
EtherEclectic	Date: February 19, 2006 @ 12:27 AM on the subject of slandering the president, and free speech, i also said if i recall, that it implies in the media. meaning if it wasnt allowed i wouldnt have to hear it on every channel of the television. and this doesnt just apply to bush, even clinton. public views is one thing, but they go a little to far by picking on him IMO. i NEVER tried to push a point that our free speech should be revoked. look at my posts on the topic, i never once said free speech should be removed. even with free speech we have certain things in the media that are not allowed to be brought up. though the free speech amendment is still intact. we have free speech but also somewhat of control on certain parts of it. you cant
EtherEclectic	Date: February 19, 2006 @ 12:28 AM correction, i didnt include the media part as intended. well now i did lol.
EtherEclectic	Date: February 19, 2006 @ 12:28 AM i hope this thread has not made you guys hate me, if it has i'd prefere the thread deleted or closed last thing i want is everyone here hating me for having some rather odd views.
pmscpc	Date: February 19, 2006 @ 5:44 AM It sounds a bit like you want to return to medieval times where anyone with authority is beyond criticism....even if he sends thousands of loyal "subjects" to their deaths for no other reason than "it's been planned for ages and we gotta look tough" then, that's his right as an undisputed God-King.... and off we all go to our deaths.. but happy in the "certain" knoweledge that the God-King would not send us on our way for anything other than a really really good reason. That sounds almost exactly like a Totalitarian Theocracy. Which, incidentally, people have rebelled against for centuries. And if you don't "like hearing things" on the Telly.... um - don't watch the stupid thing. Using exactly the same degree of logic as yourself, your mindless rantings would apparently be punished... because "I don't like them". And the reason "I don't like them" is because it was exactly that blind acceptance of authority that allowed the Nazis to kill over 30 million people during the second world war....it was for the "greater good of Germany... and the whole world" in their opinion. They really really really did think that by obeying Hitler they were saving the world from a fate worse than death - very much like the neocons are demanding is the case today.... and yesterdya and the day before that. So, I'm afraid, Mr Ether, what you are actually claiming is that Nazis are good. Pardon me, but next time you post anything, I'll probably switch off.... rather than call for your immediate execution.
pmscpc	Date: February 19, 2006 @ 5:48 AM Desderata said: "I'm OK with chemical castration." That's very bold of you to offer such personal info - did it "hurt ?
EtherEclectic	Date: February 19, 2006 @ 5:59 AM can an admin delete this thread and my account? please? because of my opinions, i now am affraid i have people here "alot" that cant stand me just because of my opinions. i am no politician, no enforcer of law, just harmless views which i would never take great lengths to make more public than a simple forum board for dmusic. if people are stupid enough to think going asume im a damn nazi lover then i have no place here after all.
pmscpc	Date: February 19, 2006 @ 6:16 AM I don't think we're stupid, I just think you haven't looked around at the rest of the world much and based your views on something approaching "common sense". And if you're going to act all wounded because no one wants rivers of blood on their streets, then perhaps you shouldn't spout the first thing that enters your head... just to get yourself some attention. Troll.
EtherEclectic	Date: February 19, 2006 @ 6:17 AM fuck you, no where did i point that i like nazis, or blood in the streets. tougher punishments for violent criminals means a total rebellion? thats not what i fucking said prick. so go fuck yourself troll
popdem	Date: February 19, 2006 @ 6:27 AM um... yea... i agree with E.E. to a degree... harsher punishments might make avoiding crimes more of a priority... although i don't think it will work completely because most murders and such are not premeditated... i bet if they have a few beers and a pocket full of cash they might take their business elsewhere... being that life in prison and/or the death penalty both ultimately would suck... but ultimately i see the situation as this... we live in a world of association... your success will always be driven by a network of who you know... what rights you're born into... in a world of communism... even the greatest government cannot suppress the greed and hatred of mankind... so people will never be able to be treated fair and equal unless we're ruled in every aspect by infallible machines... otherwise the best government is one that allows total freedom... at least then... under the same risks as communism... you have the liberty to rise against the odds... that certainly does not mean you have the wits or the drive and motivations... but you very well do have the freedom...
popdem	Date: February 19, 2006 @ 6:40 AM EtherEclectic... don't worry about this so much... you're allowing yourself to get too emotional... anyone here that you could care to keep as a friend or buddy would not be so shallow as to reduce to mindlessly criticizing you for a simple opinion... its not like you're a great omnipotent power that will force this on them... you don't harm anyone by having an opinion...
popdem	Date: February 19, 2006 @ 6:43 AM and to clarify... just in case... i said criticize YOU... you should consider your opinion a hog up for the slaughter... because you'll have plenty of people lined up to take a hack any moment you choose to express it... you can't take it personal when someone hates your opinion and just can't see your perspective... and if they hate you for it?.. well... they're taking it personal... you don't have to...
EvilPicnic	Date: February 19, 2006 @ 9:28 AM Hey, Ether, I'm sorry you feel that way. Myself, I respect and admire the way you've expressed your opinion, even though you knew it wouldn't be liked (an expression of free speach for which you would be caned, lol). You get a clap from me for that: (clapclapclap). One question: What consists 'public slander against our leader'? Does that apply to questioning the decisions or mistakes they make? Or wondering (aloud, in public) about hidden agendas, corruption, or the fitness to rule of the leader in question? Or just being drunk and declaring to the world that,'Dubya is a arsehole' before falling asleep under the table?

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