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popdem	Date: February 19, 2006 @ 6:40 AM EtherEclectic... don't worry about this so much... you're allowing yourself to get too emotional... anyone here that you could care to keep as a friend or buddy would not be so shallow as to reduce to mindlessly criticizing you for a simple opinion... its not like you're a great omnipotent power that will force this on them... you don't harm anyone by having an opinion...
popdem	Date: February 19, 2006 @ 6:43 AM and to clarify... just in case... i said criticize YOU... you should consider your opinion a hog up for the slaughter... because you'll have plenty of people lined up to take a hack any moment you choose to express it... you can't take it personal when someone hates your opinion and just can't see your perspective... and if they hate you for it?.. well... they're taking it personal... you don't have to...
EvilPicnic	Date: February 19, 2006 @ 9:28 AM Hey, Ether, I'm sorry you feel that way. Myself, I respect and admire the way you've expressed your opinion, even though you knew it wouldn't be liked (an expression of free speach for which you would be caned, lol). You get a clap from me for that: (clapclapclap). One question: What consists 'public slander against our leader'? Does that apply to questioning the decisions or mistakes they make? Or wondering (aloud, in public) about hidden agendas, corruption, or the fitness to rule of the leader in question? Or just being drunk and declaring to the world that,'Dubya is a arsehole' before falling asleep under the table?
FebruaryBattles	Date: February 19, 2006 @ 11:57 AM no one hates you.. i respect every opinion but ill argue if its against mine...
EtherEclectic	Date: February 19, 2006 @ 3:15 PM i admit this thread has caused me alot of trouble, i am not the best with words, infact the worst ever. im probably going to create another dmusic account to bury this one. i am a big fan of burning bridges and i believe this one needs to be torched lol. i am not a mad, insane person, in the world outside of the internet i dont voice my opinion really, infact i am rather introverted in public and around others. gets along with others etc, but the internet allows me to be open in ways i would never dare in person. another thing that has come back to bite me on me ass "bow"
FebruaryBattles	Date: February 19, 2006 @ 5:08 PM haha i said that to you!!!! i know it... but neways
EchoMinor	Date: February 19, 2006 @ 5:26 PM said what to me
EchoMinor	Date: February 19, 2006 @ 5:27 PM if its the anti-social comment, then there's nothing wrong with being introverted
100thmonk	Date: February 19, 2006 @ 7:35 PM i know i will be accused of racism, and i probably deserve it for saying this, but ethereclectic, you and gene hilbert sound like some seriously privileged and "white" people to be talking the way you are. although i didn't wish it upon you by any means, your insistance upon this fascist business, certainly brought this little row upon your head. you are going to have to learn to think a lot less selfishly if you want to talk politics. the fact that you can't even comprehend that you have justified naziism proves pmscp's point and drives my point that you are not harmless further home. you need to get outside the tiny reality you call home and get a look into some other reality tunnels(and i don't mean looking down your nose at them either, as you clearly have already covered that part of the course material.) before you go out and proclaim you know what is best. i hope you are discouraged to spout retrogressive political tripe. not because it is old, but because it is not better. typical human mind, always mixing up actions from effects, not being able to tell which is which.(this is the ignorance which keeps you spouting fascist rhetoric, while still believing your just a harmless good ol boy. "the man" love's you for covering for him, even if he doesn't really respect you.) you have no business going around acting like you can talk for someone who may have to live in the fringes of the law. "i was raised christian though, but later found something else...and even then i had sex before i was married, my parents nearly died right there as they found out i was no longer living in navy barracks but with some chick i met" imagine, a public caning for going outside the family and having sex with someone without the families, and churches consent... these are the types of things you want to open the door too. the slippery slope which has already been mentioned. as for anarchy, that is what we already have.. pseudo organizations all gathered together trying to control and direct a world which is largely unquantifiable, and uncontrollable. government is just a ruse to keep us docile. politicians are "paper tigers" as they say in asia. anarchy is just another word for the way life organizes itself unhindered by unnecessary deliberation. why do you fear what you already have... do you really think you can downpress people and they wont turn upon your minority. aren't you afraid... i know i am..' it will never be harmless to say it is okay to harm or kill another person. necessary evil? i don't know if i agree that the means justifies the ends.
desiderata	Date: February 19, 2006 @ 7:47 PM I have an idea -- all of us "white" people should go out and downpress someone today. Do it, do it now! Do it for the children. Besides, if you don't, the terrorists will win. Who's with me?
EchoMinor	Date: February 19, 2006 @ 7:47 PM think the thread has ended anyone here enjoy pepsi or coke
desiderata	Date: February 19, 2006 @ 7:49 PM Coke. :downpress:
FebruaryBattles	Date: February 19, 2006 @ 7:50 PM unless uve stepped through everyones shoes dont act like u know whats best and what people are... especially since if ur views were even close to a good reality they would use them.
EchoMinor	Date: February 19, 2006 @ 7:56 PM anyways, lets discuss something else: poll: would you go hunting with cheney? yes or no
desiderata	Date: February 19, 2006 @ 8:08 PM FebBat: We all make judgments based while not stepping through other people's shoes. Should no one ever go to jail for murder since we don't know what it feels like to be a murder? Also, reality is neither good nor bad; it just is. And, I hate moral relativism. Four-Calendar: Sure. But I wouldn't have sex with him. Gotta draw the line somewhere ... Rise up! Revolt! Become part of the downpression!
mikecresent	Date: February 19, 2006 @ 8:53 PM isn't this the wrong section for such a disscussion?
shadowself	Date: February 19, 2006 @ 10:33 PM Oh the things I would do for fifty dollars.
desiderata	Date: February 19, 2006 @ 10:35 PM How about fifty cents? I've got two quarters (US) here with your name on them ...
shadowself	Date: February 19, 2006 @ 10:37 PM Pfft... the exchange rate is just not as tempting as it was a couple of years ago. Make it seventy-five.
100thmonk	Date: February 19, 2006 @ 11:13 PM "Also, reality is neither good nor bad; it just is." throw your hate somewhere else then, i am a moral pluralist if anything, read the whole post before you start slingin'.. your rhetoric sounds like asolutism to me. forgive me if i do not bow before your certainty.
desiderata	Date: February 19, 2006 @ 11:18 PM Yo, monkman, that comment was addressed to FebruaryBattles, not you. Go ahead, have your moral pluralism. Somethings in life really are black and white. And since we're talking about being white, :downpress! And by the way, Shadowself -- I'll send you that 75 cents if you complete one request: You must bow before my certainty!!
GeneHilbert	Date: February 19, 2006 @ 11:22 PM 100thmonk - you are right - you are a racist, and a pretty fucking stupid one.... You might want to trying reading and comprehending what I wrote. As well being as ignorant as you are you should change your user name TedKennedy – because you are an insult to anyone of faith. Who the fuck are you to refer to me as a fascist. You better get your facts straight ass-hole. Before you accuse people of things you have no basis for insulting them of, I had family members die to defeat the Nazis’ and Japanese, and I don’t appreciate some piece of shit like yourself toss around insulting allegations merely to voice some clueless opinion. That is over the top - and I expect an apology for it. Forthwith……….
100thmonk	Date: February 20, 2006 @ 12:03 AM "I had family members die to defeat the Nazis’ and Japanese" is this some kind of attempt to prove your not a fascist. you start pulling out foul and threatening language, and demand that i tell you you are right. you insult the depth of my faith like you could ever know my relationship to god. because i suggested that your arguements sounded ethnocentric. i'm not surprised.. i suppose if you take your foul- mouthed garbage back i might consider apologies.
GeneHilbert	Date: February 20, 2006 @ 12:09 AM Fuck You
100thmonk	Date: February 20, 2006 @ 12:16 AM
LiQuidMetamo...	Date: February 20, 2006 @ 12:50 AM This thread has become seriously boring - can we all calm down the politics and get back to the music? There are plenty of other places to go to spout off about politics. Venting is OK but this has gotten out of hand. It would also be nice if we could stop insulting and swearing at each other, show some respect for yourself if you can't do it for other members... I'm sure we're all better than this and that old adage about making your mother proud - some mothers would not be very proud of their offspring reading some of these posts!
LiQuidMetamo...	Date: February 20, 2006 @ 12:53 AM You can tell I'm Canadian, eh ! Love and Peace to all...
GeneHilbert	Date: February 20, 2006 @ 1:00 AM That is why mommies should supervise their children’s internet activities. As well so that they can learn that in America even ill-bred hypocritical religious zealot bigots can also voice their opinions.
100thmonk	Date: February 20, 2006 @ 1:23 AM "ill-bred hypocritical religious zealot bigots"
TameasDust	Date: February 20, 2006 @ 1:37 AM we have four parites in ... the Liberal Party ... The not so liberal party (aka the Conservative Party .. formally known as the Conservative Reform Alliance Party) ... The New Democratic Party (Social Democrats) and the Block (separatists)
EchoMinor	Date: February 20, 2006 @ 1:38 AM i know i will be accused of racism, and i probably deserve it for saying this, but ethereclectic, you and gene hilbert sound like some seriously privileged and "white" people to be talking the way you are. 100thmonk i dont recall neither one of them giving you any information that points that they are too privileged to be talking the way they are. you dont know these people beyond the music, pictures, and text you see on dmusic. you dont see them in the life away from the internet so ya kinda dont have place to asume they were handed a silver spoon.
EchoMinor	Date: February 20, 2006 @ 1:40 AM but anyways, this thread was a mistake from the start. lets get back to the music! unless its polka....
100thmonk	Date: February 20, 2006 @ 1:54 AM didn't mention a silver spoon.. nor did i say "too" privileged. truth be told i am pretty privileged myself. but to insist that conditions don't matter and corporal and capital punishments will make things better seems to me to reflect the ideas of someone who has absolutely no fear that the law could make a mistake. this is my prejudice, but i just don't know too many coloured or asian or indian people who can make that presumption in the daily choices surrounding survival in the western world. it is privileged to insist that it is a choice to steal or not, and use ones own life as an example. i think i can read and infer alot, and i don't hear anyone insisting they are not privileged. "ill bred", doesn't sound like the language of anyone from the wrong side of the tracks to me..
EchoMinor	Date: February 20, 2006 @ 1:57 AM ill bred, not trying to sound dumb but what is ill bred? never heard that before.
DeadraveN	Date: February 20, 2006 @ 2:02 AM here, I brought popsicles. there, now everyone smile and continue. (hard to be mad when you have a popsicle)
EchoMinor	Date: February 20, 2006 @ 2:06 AM well...it depends...why are the popsicles red, and why is one part yellow...
DeadraveN	Date: February 20, 2006 @ 2:08 AM eh, you caught me. I drugged the popsicles... can't blame a guy for trying...
ChillinBuzz	Date: February 20, 2006 @ 2:14 AM sorry, what did i miss? i was busy out back chopping the balls off a child molester with a rusty can... and that was only because i was in a good mood. :blank:
ChillinBuzz	Date: February 20, 2006 @ 2:15 AM goddamnit...
EchoMinor	Date: February 20, 2006 @ 2:21 AM anyone ever make homemade popsicles? ya know coolaid in icecube tray with toothpicks? i remember HAVING to make them, as a child i asked my mother for some popsicles from the store and she said no, we got home and she made me makeshift ghetto popsicles...
pmscpc	Date: February 20, 2006 @ 3:56 AM Ghetto popsicles....never had one - but we did have bunny rabbit moulds to make blancmange with. Oh dear - faux pas - that all sounds a bit too upper class..... Did someone mention communism for some contrived reason ??
EvilPicnic	Date: February 20, 2006 @ 5:24 AM I've made ice-lollies in the same way, which is like the British equivalent. We don't drug them here, though. Frozen orange juice. Mmmmm... I don't want to be involved in this anymore (artificial arguments on an internet forum aren't exactly my idea of a fun time). Most of what I want to say has been said already by me or others, but as a parting shot: Genehilbert & others - you put too much faith in the police to carry out the punishments faithfully and uncorruptly. They are not the beacons of light and justice you think they are. Take a trip to Cairo, wander around with a camera and see how many times you get arrested. This is what happens in a state which gives the police too much power. Also, the school system has shown that respect and understanding achieve better results than caning someone every time they do something wrong. The kinds of changes you suggest (the police canings, the draconian laws, harsh punishments, no slandering of the Leader) are all things which lead to a totalitarian, authoritarian government. To completely deny any comparison with Nazi Germany seems ignorant. 100thmonk - Chill. I agree with your points, but you overdo the argument. In an open, liberal society everyone has the right to voice their opinion, even ill-bred hypocritical religious zealot bigots. They're not nazis, they stop short advocating genocide, although some of the policies do ring of fascism. We're all sitting here typing away on computers - we're all pretty damn privileged. So if peepes must carry on with the argument can we keep class and race out of it? Please? I think I might try one of them popsicles...
K3VIN	Date: February 20, 2006 @ 11:25 AM ghetto posicle sticks lol.. koolaid is too expensive we get juice concetrate
FebruaryBattles	Date: February 20, 2006 @ 11:26 AM canada has more then 4 psarties
shadowself	Date: February 20, 2006 @ 12:14 PM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marijuana_Party_of_Canada
K3VIN	Date: February 20, 2006 @ 2:06 PM it the strict laws were so called ebforced say goodbye to marijuana... theyll chop ur tongue out for smoking it... its bad you know
jimbobber1985	Date: February 20, 2006 @ 4:49 PM I refuse to let this thread die! Debate is the only thing that keeps my pants on! hooah!
popdem	Date: February 20, 2006 @ 5:21 PM speaking of parties... i think we should make a big push to ignore the two major parties in america for the next presidential election... i think i might go door to door and give speaches to push this agenda... maybe put together a group against the two party system...
EchoMinor	Date: February 20, 2006 @ 5:25 PM what we need is a king: The Lady of the Lake,... [angels sing] ...her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water signifying by Divine Providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. [singing stops] That is why I am your king! then we need a guy to hate it: Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
pmscpc	Date: February 21, 2006 @ 2:51 AM EvilPicnic:"I've made ice-lollies in the same way, which is like the British equivalent. We don't drug them here, though." (US Ghettos = UK ? - ) What an exemplory idea....easier to push on innocent children :evil: popdem: the thought Police will be after you for spreading anarchy... but I like your style and would no doubt vote for you by mistake.
popdem	Date: February 21, 2006 @ 8:23 AM i accept that accidental vote and ask for a second!

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