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John Lofton is an ASSHOLE!!!

MinisterofSc...	Date: February 27, 2006 @ 7:32 PM http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6526525473785351949&q=frank+zappa This is a discussion between Frank Zappa and John Lofton and two other people. Johnny is a bastard and makes me want to hurt him. The video is twenty minutes long...but just watch a few clips here and there where John's yelling and making dumb points...it's so stupid
Bhairava	Date: February 27, 2006 @ 8:46 PM Yeah they are being kind of stupid. I think Zappa should've defined his point a bit better though. Man there is just so much stupid anger out there. If you look about you check out how many things are said with anger and its sad. Its not a discussion its an ego fest.
EchoMinor	Date: February 27, 2006 @ 9:11 PM asshole like roger waters?
FebruaryBattles	Date: February 27, 2006 @ 9:19 PM lmao... i wanna hear the dude hear the garbage that goes on mtv now... lmfao.. i think hed cry.. and get so sick his thorat would have a hole in it.. nobody touches frank zappa!
PrincessTast...	Date: February 27, 2006 @ 9:31 PM It seemed like he was trying to twist Zappa's words against him several times. It was really funny when Zappa called him an a$$hole!
100thmonk	Date: February 27, 2006 @ 9:36 PM this is what debate is like.. i think frank was as clear as he could be under a rain of seemingly antagonistic questioning. it seems as if he got to make a lot of solid arguements, and even the hosts seem to make a move to franks camp by the end. listen to the hosts giggle when frank says he'll get a napkin when lofton starts to drool..at about 6:22 lofton just starts to fall apart and seem like a bit of a quack from here and only mangages to pull out pointless unfocussed arguements and non-sequitors.. great stuff, if the hosts could only see the future of america 20 years ahead, they'd kick themselves for arguing with frank that they were headed to a fascist theocracy..
tooles	Date: February 27, 2006 @ 11:46 PM Novak's still a conservative, so I guess the fascism was right up his alley. 10 points to Mr. Zappa. He kept his cool, he made Lofton look like a bible-thumper, he even explained to three ridiculous squares why a joke was funny. As a matter of interest, I'd like to hear whether Mr. Lofton would advocate for the censorship of ultra-right-wing crap like Prussian Blue.
Snoogans775	Date: February 28, 2006 @ 12:27 AM I wish I could've possibly lived in an age when america wasn't a theocracy, I've never know any different I dunno who mentioned it, it may ave been Zappa himself in his autobiography, but there's this old parable about how to ccok a frog: if you put a frog in a pot pf boiling water, it will jump right out, if you put it in a pot of cool water and slowly turn up the heat, it'll turn out just right. looks like the water was just getting lukewarm back in 1986.
zedsalt	Date: February 28, 2006 @ 12:02 PM Nah, it seems more cyclical, like they start warming up the water for a new batch of frogs every so often. I mean, to follow the metaphor...
Alstroph	Date: February 28, 2006 @ 1:42 PM You know you aren't supposed to have profanity in thread titles... right? I'll kick your ass...
FebruaryBattles	Date: February 28, 2006 @ 1:58 PM sorry mam
zedsalt	Date: March 1, 2006 @ 11:09 AM I've noticed that they're allowing "asshole" and "son of a bitch" onto t.v. now...as opposed to only allowing "ass", "bitch", "bitchy" as animal references. I'm not sure when exactly it happened.
K3VIN	Date: March 1, 2006 @ 11:11 AM im sure someone knows
PrincessTast...	Date: March 2, 2006 @ 10:21 AM Your guess is as good as mine.
tooles	Date: March 2, 2006 @ 4:46 PM I just watched an episode of Friends from the second season where Rachel calls Ross' girlfriend a "bitch". 2nd season of Friends would've aired 8 or 9 years ago, so I guess that's been around for at least a decade or so.
FebruaryBattles	Date: March 2, 2006 @ 4:50 PM dang
celtaidd	Date: March 2, 2006 @ 7:36 PM I think the title of the thread was meant to read: John Lofton HAS an ASSHOLE!!!
celtaidd	Date: March 2, 2006 @ 7:37 PM Anatomy and all that, well its in my text book anyway
SeptBattles	Date: March 3, 2006 @ 10:10 AM times HAVE changed
K3VIN	Date: March 3, 2006 @ 10:23 AM i remember back in my day where if skin was shown other then the face and hands ud get shot.
zedsalt	Date: March 3, 2006 @ 10:34 AM Actually, John Lofton eats and expels body waste out the same orifice, like a bat.
idealist	Date: March 3, 2006 @ 3:21 PM i think that johns arguments were more directed at frank than music in general. frank's vision and arguments were spot on. how many times did he have to drag john back to the discussion cos the guy couldn't get a simple idea into his head? just proves frank's points even more imo.
PrincessTast...	Date: March 3, 2006 @ 3:25 PM I was going to say something similar, but you said it better.
idealist	Date: March 3, 2006 @ 3:27 PM
Bhairava	Date: March 3, 2006 @ 3:48 PM I don't know. I don't think Zappa was very clear either. I mean I'm sure you all assume he means that words can't hurt you by "they are just words" but I feel he means a lot more then that which he doesn't go into and we all know that words do matter but perhaps the intention behind the words means more then what people actually say.
idealist	Date: March 3, 2006 @ 3:59 PM well i took it that he's whole point was you shouldn't be told what you can/can't say with those 'words' by anyone other than your pearents who should filter what ur exposed to until you are emotionally stable and mature enough to listen to and digest them for what they are, it's not the words that hurt you but what you do with them, maybe. i dunno i'm just rambiling. where am i? oh time for my ill:
Bhairava	Date: March 4, 2006 @ 8:13 AM Nah you're probably right. Its a good point.

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