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Are songs timeless?

JimColyer	Date: February 19, 2007 @ 8:39 PM Writers like to think their songs are timeless, but is there such a thing? I went to Neil Sedaka's site. "Laughter In The Rain" was referred to as timeless. The song reminds me of driving through Chicago in November, 1974, when Neil broke out after a decade of the British dominating radio. Nothing timeless about that! Positive thinking is the theme which, in a human context, can be called timeless. Shakespearean themes are thought of as timeless although his language is obviously not. Dinosaurs ruled 160 million years and passed away. The sun will expend its energy, and the universe will die. Can 3 minute songs be eternal? The ones most closely approaching timelessness are Christmas songs because Christmas returns annually and because no new, good Christmas songs have appeared in the last 50 years. "Silent Night" and "White Christmas" become relevant each December. Jim Colyer http://www.jimcolyer.com
imemine	Date: February 20, 2007 @ 9:15 AM I would say that some are. Many classical peices (if you can call them "songs")have lasted. The Beatles----Pink Floyd-Dark Side of the Moon----- to name a few. Other, like the now bald Britney Spears-----Milli Vanilli-----Backstreet Boys------Uuuuuuu---NO! Most contrived RIAA pop sensations won’t even last a decade!
Alwex	Date: February 20, 2007 @ 9:19 AM glad someone started this thread, cause im one of those who has a strong complex about timelessness, Nothing is timeless, everything fades away sometime, so the only reason we himans really put so much effort and energy into this is cause we are short sighted, we live for today so
EvalLin	Date: February 20, 2007 @ 12:58 PM I would say things like Darkside of the moon are sort of timeless, but everything would get old if listen to enough. But on the other hand songs they play on the radio, get old and then you don't want to listen to them again, I've noticed this alot with mainstream rap and Emo music. I think it's better to say that some music is more timeless then other's, but nothing is really timeless.
imemine	Date: February 20, 2007 @ 7:22 PM Thank you to the literal contingency! You guys should be mathematicians! However ----Music IS but a wave---and waves travel time and space---time and space are infinite! Ponder THAT! I believe that the question was posed on more of a metaphysical front rather than a scientific one but what do I know? A rhetorical question if you will. Rocks aren’t forever (timeless)---nor is the planet---or the universe for that matter. So look, count to infinity and get back to me when you finish!
vzeye	Date: February 20, 2007 @ 7:28 PM I wonder what they were playing in the Roman Empire 1,000 years ago?
imemine	Date: February 20, 2007 @ 7:30 PM Kill the Wabbit?
evansorchid	Date: February 20, 2007 @ 7:49 PM I love that song!!!
hate9wicket	Date: February 20, 2007 @ 7:59 PM I'll start building my time machine, when it works, I'll engage the flux capaciter, set the timer for say...3,000 years in the future...ask anyone I come across what they think of The Beatles, then I come back here on this thread and issue my report. on a related note, How old is the oldest song or piece of music anybody can think of? More than 250 years? I think it is hilarious whenever I see "Best of All Time" lists... as far as I'm concerned, Time didn't begin until JS Bach documented the 12 tone scale, and later, when the piano forte was perfected. Or I go one further and say when Leo Fender built his first Precision
imemine	Date: February 20, 2007 @ 9:52 PM On 20th Feb 2008, hate9wicket said: Or I go one further and say when Leo Fender built his first Precision Count to infinity now! I'm waiting on the time machine report dammit!
leedsquietman	Date: February 20, 2007 @ 11:43 PM The song 'Time' by Pink Floyd is timeless !!
PrincessTast...	Date: February 21, 2007 @ 12:02 AM Duh.....! And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make... CLASSIC
bmccosar	Date: February 21, 2007 @ 8:25 AM The greatest song ever written was composed by Ug and Ubloog, who, sitting on a hollow log, banged out the classic drum line "boom-boom-WHACK! boom-boom-WHACK!" The most recent plagiarism of this was, of course, "We will Rock You." One week after composing this song, Ug and Ubloog were struck on the head by the club of the world's first music critic, Glargh. However, their deaths only served to make their tune more popular. Eventually, an innovative musician named Thrangg discovered a way to make the sound more distinctive by covering one end of the hollow log in a stretched mammoth hide, then beating on the hide instead of the log itself. Thrangg was, unfortunately, killed by the world's second music critic, Ublarg, who regretted that Thrangg had chosen to produce this modern garbage instead of the classic sound pioneered by Ug and Ubloog.
imemine	Date: February 21, 2007 @ 6:41 PM Ug and Ubloog---Uuuuuu- "rock"! I can't remember, was Ug the short one with the dark hair or was that Ubloog?
evansorchid	Date: February 21, 2007 @ 7:00 PM Ug and Ubloog........true pioneers. I wonder if I could find that hollow log on eBay?
bmccosar	Date: February 21, 2007 @ 7:06 PM Ug looked more or less like Darryl Hall; Ubloog like John Oates. There's something to that reincarnation thing.
imemine	Date: February 22, 2007 @ 8:39 AM Holy Crap! You actually got the vague reference!
jonspratt	Date: February 22, 2007 @ 10:53 PM I think that a song can be timeless, but certainly not all songs are timeless. A modern band that jumps out at me as timeless is Wilco. Yankee Hotel Foxtrot could have come out at any point (barring some minor technological innovations) and still sound fresh and new. I get the point the first post made about Sedaka, but I think some artists are able to break away from this. For example look at the Pixies, when I think of "80s music" I definately don't think of them so much as noodling guitar solos and overbearing synths of the mainstream...Yet, they sounded like they did at the time they did, not indicitive of anything else that was going on in music at the time.
GeneHilbert	Date: February 22, 2007 @ 11:04 PM Tequila.....
imemine	Date: February 22, 2007 @ 11:40 PM Now THAT'S timeless song! Da daht-dah da daht da daht dah--Da daht-daht da daht da daht daht..........
Rodrica	Date: February 23, 2007 @ 4:54 AM What appears timeless to one person may seem like disposable nonsense to another. Any artistic pursuit is open to opinion and interpretation so I don't think we can ever apply a hard and fast rule or statement to any song or art form. Most of us go through life capturing our own sounds and images that will appear timeless to us and our experiences...the problems arise if we insist on imposing them on others.
imemine	Date: February 23, 2007 @ 2:05 PM See---some people might find Rodrica's post timeless!
Dominon	Date: February 23, 2007 @ 5:08 PM Song is developed as a by-product of the human capacity to exist in other dimensions than the harsh physical. Song is an element of sound. My belief is the first human songs were made using the body as instruments (chanting and trances). Which ultimately has led to a refining today where most sound production is with the fingers and eletric amplification. We train our children from birth how to write (self-control of hands) but few people are trained in aspects of control of the entire body. On 20th Feb 2008, vzeye said: I wonder what they were playing in the Roman Empire 1,000 years ago? Bards sang the stories we know today as the great myths accompanied by a lute or other Greek instrument. They memorized the stories which they made rhyme to more easily recall
GeneHilbert	Date: February 24, 2007 @ 2:58 AM I think the whole thing started as embellishments for fart jokes.......
bmccosar	Date: February 24, 2007 @ 9:31 AM Ah, yes, like when Cicero turned to one of his fellow Roman senators and began the famous "Where, oh where, are you tonight" song . . . unfortunately, Marc Antony got to the "Pffft! You were gone" line first.
zedsalt	Date: February 24, 2007 @ 10:09 AM The retirement package wasn't bad; it was that damn policy of attrition...
stat30fbliss	Date: March 29, 2007 @ 10:53 PM Spngs are timeless in the fact that, they can always bring you back to the time in which you associate them, and will always hold that feeling.
ChillinBuzz	Date: March 29, 2007 @ 11:00 PM or just leave the CD on repeat forever...
PrincessTast...	Date: March 30, 2007 @ 11:09 AM John Cage composed a piano piece that takes 20 years to play....
fireball87	Date: March 30, 2007 @ 4:39 PM By definition timeless refers to the existence of both the beginning and end of any given thing. Since we can trace specific music to its origins, then by definition it couldn't be timeless. So No.