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rico	Date: March 8, 2008 @ 10:10 AM You know, things seem dead around here. Is dmusic dying? Tell me, does dmusic bother keeping stats on the frequency of new signups, or how many signups never come back? Honestly, I've been critical of this site in the past, and now is no exception. The kinds of features that would keep this site competetive are flat out missing. I can't even compare it to the big boys. Whoever outlined the last design changes should go back to the drawing board. You're missing your window before other people come by and do what you've done, but better. Facebook, myspace, you could only wish for that kind of traffic. Especially with what this site is now. Wish.
Distilled1	Date: March 8, 2008 @ 10:29 AM http://news.dmusic.com/article/28814 "We were in the midst of a server migration to bigger faster servers, so we could enable video, the shopping cart for all artists(paypal required), protools support, and a bunch of new features." we are not my space and will never b but we will blow past many sites in what is offered for free!
ChillinBuzz	Date: March 8, 2008 @ 6:17 PM Give the man a prize for his observation skills! You'd have to ask the staff members who designed the site, so you can send your regards to them. Sure as hell weren't me, I just coded. Major difference between designing and programming. And we definitely wouldn't want the "traffic" that MySpace gets, since their errors sometimes put this place in the shade... Never mind all the spam, unreadable profiles, etc. But... I have to ask... If you felt the other places are so much better, why did you come back to complain? I'm going to get some flaming for this next comment but what the heck, I'm guessing your sister refused you a blowjob again last night.
ShadowMom	Date: March 8, 2008 @ 6:41 PM Actually, we could only wish you on them. It would be enough. You are very negative, so try peddling your wares at those other sites. Maybe they care.
zedsalt	Date: March 9, 2008 @ 3:47 AM Wow, this thread turned into a "who can get pissier" contest very quickly, didn't it? Maybe it was a combo of the lack of constructive comments on rico's part and everybody's weariness of the site's difficulties. Rico, very little of what was posted before is working properly, but a number of folks have been able to upload/reupload song files. Have you tried it yet? Traffic is pitifully low...likely to be that way for a long while...so, if you don't think it worthwhile, I don't see how anyone could hold that against you. But the fact that posted a complaint would suggest that you care, and as I'm sure you're aware, content is what drives a site like this.
ShadowMom	Date: March 9, 2008 @ 4:19 AM Actually, Zed is right, as usual. My mistake, and my apologies. But simply making such a negative comment, and in the wrong forum, too, gets under my skin. Rico has the same right to whine that everyone else has, but some constructive criticism would have been nice, rather than a hit-and-run slap in the face.
Israfel	Date: March 9, 2008 @ 4:14 PM Actually I miss rico. I miss all those people who went elsewhere long before this last site snafu... He left when the redesign was messing things up and hasn't been around. More proof that a prominent announcement on the main page or community page would work wonders. Can't expect that when someone logs on here the first thing they go to is the forums to wade through a zillion posts about site outage. Most people go to their own pages first...see that they are not working...and then ask about it. And yes, maybe rico's statement was negative but I feel his frustration and so should we all. We will be patient but we also have to be patient with those who lose it once in a while too. So to everyone and let's carry on, okay?
leedsquietman	Date: March 9, 2008 @ 4:40 PM A disclaimer on the main dmusic.com logon page, explaining that "some of the functionality is temporarily unavailable during site maintenance, apologies for any inconvenience" might go a long way to helping those who have, for whatever reason, being absent for a period of time from Dmusic when it was working, just to be shocked that they can no longer find their music, stream, download, etc. Myspace and Facebook are different types of site, so comparing their traffic, which is 90% social, even for music pages, is not really a fair comparison of traffic. And like CHillin states, that kind of traffic would not be positive here unless managed very carefully over a period of time. I don't know what Rico's motives were. Maybe they come from a good place (caring), or is it a vindictive swipe ??
ChillinBuzz	Date: March 9, 2008 @ 8:56 PM He was one of the few that truly despised the new design. He was also one of said few that didn't stop there with his comments on things. I remember the arguing and name-calling that went on all too well, myself involved too, so when I see posts like that I know he's only come here to cause shit and if that's what he wants, I'm more than happy to provide it and bollocks to anyone who doesn't like my way of thinking. Besides, I can think of uglier sites than DMusic... Which no doubt he spends his time jacking off to.
ChillinBuzz	Date: March 9, 2008 @ 8:58 PM And for the record, if content was that important, then why is he bitching at all? He's had no music up since long before the re-design, just in case he tries to use it as his excuse. That was HIS choice and nobody else's, so let him wallow in his own poo.
Distilled1	Date: March 10, 2008 @ 12:54 AM I have asked and sent suggestions/help tix to post a yellow big info button next to the dmusic logo on every page linking to a faq about all that is happening etc. I think it really needs to be done . not because of rico , but for those that do wander in or come back after 3 years absence!
farfor44	Date: March 10, 2008 @ 3:23 AM I must say,I'm completely disappointed with DM at the present time..I'm a subscriber and I've stood by and watched as dmusic struggles to get back on its feet.First off~Dm has lost 8 of my songs and over 400 comments to those songs..I've decided to not reupload those songs because it would take me more than 10hrs to repost,and I had nothing to do with their vanishing so to me its not my responsibility to fix my page..This is taking much too long for those in charge to fix,plus the accountability of those in charge is just not there Dm at the present time is just like the US Government Its BROKEN!!
ChillinBuzz	Date: March 10, 2008 @ 3:26 AM informing the site regulars and visitors of the current issues should've been done when it was obvious how bad things had got, however this complaint stems from the redesign launch quite some time ago and has more to do with the expected tiny minority that would hate the change (and, i will add, the same few that put fuck all into the place). but hey, whatever.
ChillinBuzz	Date: March 10, 2008 @ 3:28 AM and Gene, my entire ChillinBuzz page failed (with the exception of one song that I uploaded since the crash) but please, don't compare the site to the US government. This site could be in a worse state and it will still be a million times better than Bush and his merry band of unelected terrorists.
GeneHilbert	Date: March 10, 2008 @ 3:33 AM Oh please........ Will you people give it a rest.....
ChillinBuzz	Date: March 10, 2008 @ 3:35 AM Why? Are we hurting your feelings by criticising your dictator friend? Awwww diddums.
ChillinBuzz	Date: March 10, 2008 @ 3:43 AM hopefully the first pic gets fixed before the second pic becomes reality...
zedsalt	Date: March 10, 2008 @ 4:05 AM On 9th Mar 2008, ChillinBuzz said: He was one of the few that truly despised the new design... What happened to DM's traffic, membership, etc. would suggest that you have your proportions reversed. I don't blame the current problems on the redesign. The redesign is still buttugly and not nearly as user-friendly as the old design. W is bound to go down in history as our worst president...unless, of course, McCain's campaign rhetoric is not just campaign rhetoric, and he gets the chance to apply the policies he's currently espousing. Is going farther, faster in almost all of the same directions the kind of "change" Americans want right now? The polls would suggest that for thirty or forty-some percent of the population, the answer is "yes".
Opossum	Date: March 10, 2008 @ 4:06 AM [QUOTE info=ChillinBuzz,March 10, 2008 @ 3:43 AM] Off-topic, but that computer tower looks exactly like our fridge presently. Except that the tape is black and ours is yellow.
zedsalt	Date: March 10, 2008 @ 4:15 AM ...and it reads, "Police line- DO NOT CROSS!"
ChillinBuzz	Date: March 10, 2008 @ 6:16 AM traffic wasn't as huge as it was being made out before the change. traffic didn't drop that much after the change, certainly not from the figures i got quoted during my discussions with those "in the know"... in the last 2 months though, traffic has almost totally slid under the floor. yes, a lot of people left after the redesign. people were still joining though... there appeared to be a marked reduction in visual interaction which was also understandable but that problem was happening before the design, although i will agree to a point that the change did help push things down a bit, just not as much as is being implied, not by a long shot. i finally took the plunge to look at the new "layout" MySpace offers as an option... if i thought any aspect of DMusic was horrible, i take back everything i said after seeing that... if i could, Zed, i'd make a retro skin. hell, you know what would be cool? making a skin of the site version before that. personally i can't stand the way SoundClick is laid out, the links make this place look tidy by comparison... but the tabs here... well, i'd posted images some time ago showing how they can mess up - i'd have rather seen them stay as links down the side of the page but don't look at me, ask the designer what medication they were on...
Israfel	Date: March 10, 2008 @ 6:35 AM Frankly, the argument and opinion that DM should not look like myspace seems moot at this point. Any comparisons to any other site are just ridiculous. And, frankly, even if the layouts of those other sites suck, at least they work! And the fact that another thread in these forums virtually attacks adamsgod, who btw has always been an active person here at DM, completely mirrors an attack on rico in another forum strikes me as very sad and very funny. It appears that if you voice a negative opinion at all you're doomed no matter if you've been here one day or forever. The fact still remains - there is no way for anyone to know instantly what is happening on DM. There should be. Seems to be a logical and easy solution but one that for some reason isn't happening. The admins hang in and do what they can and should get kudos for having to put up with the constant questions. They are golden. However, I can see where that would get to them after a while. Fact is...DM is messed up. We all know that. We're all waiting for it to not be messed up. We have been told to be patient and it will someday, somehow, not be messed up. Why in the blue hell that can't be said simply on the main page is beyond all of us. And those "in the know" may think traffic hasn't changed but having been on line with the same three people over and over again tells me otherwise. And you know what? I don't even care that is down. I just want the site to work for my own purely selfish reasons. And, in my own perfect world, no one who comes here once or twice and asks a question or even, god forbid, posts a complaint out of frsutration, would be shot down, called names and made to feel unwelcome for any reason. But that's just me...maybe I'm too nice.
ChillinBuzz	Date: March 10, 2008 @ 9:10 AM Those "in the know", Issy, have the stats that don't just cover VISUAL INTERACTION as i was saying. That covers streaming, downloads and other things offline/anon users do that don't appear visible to users like us. Just because you can't see something, doesn't mean it ain't happening... But eh.
ChillinBuzz	Date: March 10, 2008 @ 9:14 AM And complaints have been posted many times and have been treated differently. I get the feeling you'd assume I would treat everyone who complained the exact same way but I think I stated before in this very thread (and I'm seeing a bit of a pattern here regarding mentioning things already) that this particular person didn't have an issue with the site that was borne ONLY out of a genuine complaint but decided to drop himself into a slanging match that didn't just involve the mess i was involved in, he got stuck into someone else too. So let him bitch and whine because when he does, I'll be sure to throw it back. You can ignore what I'm saying, I don't really care since it seems to have happened already.
Cryxan	Date: March 10, 2008 @ 9:54 AM The manner in which people complain is significant. Many people are angry, and legitimately so, but anger can be expressed diplomatically, as we've seen from many members. If a user chooses to express it with insults, namecalling, and the like, they'll be countered with a similar attitude.
Israfel	Date: March 10, 2008 @ 1:56 PM Hmmm, I take it back then...blast away. Don't put up a disclaimer about the site being down for the moment and bite anyone who vents frustration over it in the forums at will. I'll just chalk it up to business as usual. Can't really be considered good business practice but what do I know.
kyodylee	Date: March 10, 2008 @ 3:20 PM On 10th Mar 2008, Cryxan said: If a user chooses to express it with insults, namecalling, and the like, they'll be countered with a similar attitude. Cryxie, that doesn't even sound like you. "... countered with a similar attitude"????? I can't believe you meant that.
Cryxan	Date: March 10, 2008 @ 9:19 PM Not like that! I wasn't very clear. I meant that in terms of a community response to the complainer, not the response by the site's representatives. If a site rep can't be diplomatic with ALL members, they shouldn't be in that position. Thanks for calling me out on that because I wouldn't have thought to clarify. Sorry for the misunderstanding!
leflaw	Date: March 11, 2008 @ 2:20 AM NEWSFLASH. DMUSIC NEVER WORKED RIGHT FROM THE DAY I BOUGHT IT, WHEN IT RESIDED ON TWO PENTIUM II Machines in CANADA in 2001. You people are dreaming. Simply, the site never worked right, has had constant "scalability problems", but rather than shuttering it, I invested EVERYTHING I HAD into trying to make it work. I hated the "old design". It didn't work either. Its like the "good old Days" - they are only good in retrospect. As I said many times before, I am in it for the long run, and I really don't care what anybody thinks. I am not a programmer nor designer, and am not competing with Myspace. I wanted his to be the Ferrari of independent music places, thats all. Not a dependable chevy. But Ferraris are very expensive to manufacturer and maintain, are very finicky, etc. I like the team that we have assembled (finally!) and I am not crying over missed opportunities or traffic. I am not trying to be Myspace, etc. ( although I like Youtube). I don't fill journal's like Michael Robertson does(whose journals get read back to him on the witness stand), and I am not doing an ipo. Now, what was it you all wanted me to post on the first page?
leflaw	Date: March 11, 2008 @ 2:23 AM Ps. People "fled" this place for Myspace, imho, and I don't really care about Myspace. I have spent 15 minutes on Myspace, 10 minutes on Facebook. WHO THE HELL WANTS TO BE BOTHERED BY SOME ASSHOLE YOU AVOIDED IN HIGH SCHOOL, or some ugly chick with a Jessica Biel avatar? On the other havd, I use ebay and craigslist. Thats the model! And the only music I listen to is Dmusic. So there. I got a hundred thousand mps's because of it.
ChillinBuzz	Date: March 11, 2008 @ 2:29 AM
ChillinBuzz	Date: March 11, 2008 @ 3:48 AM was that 100000 before or after the drive crash?
leflaw	Date: March 11, 2008 @ 3:53 AM Before. I am having it restored, but the file names are screwed up. However, the mp3's still have the meta data encoded, so the songname and artists shows up on winamp.
ChillinBuzz	Date: March 11, 2008 @ 4:04 AM It was a touch of sarcasm, dearest There's a shedload of programmers around... I wonder if anyone could write an app to change the names of files, based on their ID3 tags.
Distilled1	Date: March 11, 2008 @ 4:06 AM sounds like my Saab, always needs something fixed, aint cheap and is a pain but boy she drives great and speeds past all the ricer tuners!
leflaw	Date: March 11, 2008 @ 4:20 AM I have 91 Saab 9000 turbo
ChillinBuzz	Date: March 11, 2008 @ 4:23 AM I have a bicycle. So nerrrrr
zedsalt	Date: March 11, 2008 @ 4:24 AM The ease of use, the idea that someone who could read but hadn't necessarily even seen a website before could just come here and download song files...that's what attracted me to DMusic, and it's one of the things that changed with the redesign. Most internet users can do the lo-fi stream at home (I envy them) and with enough time, download song files and videos. For anything else, they have to use their computer at work, take a wi-fi equipped laptop to a hotspot, go to their local library (provided they're lucky enough to be near one equipped with public broadband of some sort), or visit an internet café. Our Ferraris never leave the garage, but fortunately, some nice folks let us drive theirs. And I wish I had a good suggestion as to when a public notice would be appropriate. I'm confident we're over that line at the moment, but what level of dysfunction obligates mention? That's a good question.
ChillinBuzz	Date: March 11, 2008 @ 4:27 AM Bang on, Zed... What about a STATUS PAGE?
ChillinBuzz	Date: March 11, 2008 @ 4:28 AM goddamn preview button, i was going to add a status page 'rather than a forum thread or news article'. all this typing is giving me the munchies. cherry flapjacks & apple crumble, anyone?
moam	Date: March 11, 2008 @ 5:31 AM On 11th Mar 2008, ChillinBuzz said: cherry flapjacks & apple crumble, anyone? me! me! meeeeeeee!!!!!
Distilled1	Date: March 11, 2008 @ 5:50 AM status page was what I was trying to say a link saying status it can list "known" bugs, issues and things that are working great etc. kind of a faq but a noticable hey we are in peril in some spots please click here for info.. or having trouble please click here for info something and on top of the pages next to the logo... maybe all cool hey you we are re programing for a better dmusic click here to get the groove on...
ChillinBuzz	Date: March 11, 2008 @ 8:02 AM a status page would be a lot better, since all the relevent details wouldn't get swallowed up in the forums.
GTOriginal	Date: March 13, 2008 @ 2:51 AM Hey just hold on a second... I thought it was my fault that everyone left the site!
DeadraveN	Date: March 13, 2008 @ 4:04 AM yes, Gary.. This "site outage".. all the "technical problems".. hell, even the redesign.. it was all one big cover up to protect your feelings. That's how much we care.
ChillinBuzz	Date: March 13, 2008 @ 6:04 AM No no no, Gary. You were only blamed for the strange ninja-looking midgets seen running away from the servers the night of the crash.
GeneHilbert	Date: March 13, 2008 @ 6:11 AM OK........ is there a projected date as to a return to normality here........? (normal...... here......) wait, wait let me rephrase. Is there a projected date as too when the site and servers are stable enough to re-upload lost material (tunes and pictures)? I only want to do this once..... well..... ugh...... twice........ ugh..... you know what I mean.
GTOriginal	Date: March 13, 2008 @ 7:32 AM Hey if you hit the "Quote" button, and there's a double quote in the text of the original post, it gets cut off. Like this: On 13th Mar 2008, DeadraveN said: yes, Gary.. This And don't blame me for the actions of a few renegade ninja midgets. Two of them didn't come back at all. I think they were eaten by DMusic's Security Hamsters (the ones who do not run the Server Treadmill).
Distilled1	Date: March 13, 2008 @ 9:10 AM Gene I have uploaded missing songs ... seems ok as they are going to the new servers ... damn I think I think in the CTOs letter it said he cant ask but if we can please do as well as LefLaw asked and said and make them better quality
GeneHilbert	Date: March 13, 2008 @ 4:07 PM Well now there is another issue. My new opus is 18:23 & and the mp3 is 42meg.....
GeneHilbert	Date: March 13, 2008 @ 4:09 PM I guess it be available on CD only....... Too Bad
shadowself	Date: March 13, 2008 @ 5:31 PM On 13th Mar 2008, GeneHilbert said: My new opus is 18:23 drool I love me some long songs.
Distilled1	Date: March 13, 2008 @ 6:29 PM damn we used to have like 65MB limit didn't we I know I was having issues with 12MB when we first got back up but Jack got it for me..
dsindel	Date: March 13, 2008 @ 8:51 PM Well... on a typical day I do not chime in on forum activity although certain threads do act as a good read but on this occasion I will go on record and emphatically say (as said before) "I Love DMusic" and Leflaw I applaud your commitment and honesty. I am sure I speak for many Indie's who are most grateful for allowing us to have a platform to communicate with others, listen to incredibly awesome music and have a "home away from home" here online! Sure life is not perfect and the site is going through some problems but I for one refuse to get upset and just hope and pray that the site will continue in one form or the other, and cheers to the admins!
leflaw	Date: March 14, 2008 @ 1:56 AM We plan to be around a while.
GeneHilbert	Date: March 14, 2008 @ 3:09 AM Yeah....... I thought there was a 60 odd meg limit - 64 or 65 or something like that. I could compress it to 128k but not for this tune. Besides most people would not take the time to listen to an 18 minute tune anyway. Too bad..... You'll just have to buy the CD...... LOL
Woof	Date: March 14, 2008 @ 12:50 PM Thank you, leflaw, for adding so much substance to this thread. It's really appreciated. It also provides a lot of food for thought. I'm a YouTube fan as well. A lot of you already know that. It's an interesting thing to bring up. DivX Stage 6 was really the best online video site. They were the Ferrari of video sites, as a matter of fact, and now they're closed. Even Veoh is much better than YouTube when it comes to quality. Still, people flock to YouTube. I'm not a big MySpace fan, either. It seems flimsy in a lot of ways, but has a huge, huge audience. Ebay's a great example of an interactive site that really does a lot for people. I agree it's a good model. Of course, since they're pretty much of a monopoly, there aren't a lot of places to compare it with. People by Windows based computers in huge numbers, compared with Apple and Linux. Yet most people seem to agree that either Apple or Linux is more secure. And many argue that Apple simply makes better stuff. And tons of people shop at Wal Mart, even though better goods can be had elsewhere. Why? There's one common thread running through all of this. Convenience. People get into the YouTube mode because YouTube has tons of content. It has tons of content because, for many, it's the easiest to use. Same with MySpace. Sure, the layouts suck, but it's the most common vocabulary in social networking. And so on... I think you see where I'm going with this. Ferraris are gorgeous. They're also prohibitively expensive and difficult to maintain for the majority of humanity. Those who can, own them. And I'm sure there are whole communities built around ownership of these glorious beasts. I wouldn't know where to find those clubs, though, and since I'll probably never own one, connecting with people who do doesn't interest me. I imagine it doesn't interest a lot of people. Anyway, my point isn't that DM ought to strive for mediocrity. My point is that, IMHO, the success of the site will be dependent on a high volume of diverse content. And to get that, it needs to function more like a Honda: Dependable, reliable, easy to figure out, and well within everyone's grasp. We're gonna have a whole new generation getting into this scene soon enough, and for as beautiful and elegant as a site like purevolume is, they're low on traffic. They built a Mercedes, and now their membership is wondering why nobody's coming. Everybody should have a voice. Everybody should have access without difficulty. That's what makes visiting any site worthwhile. Content. And to get content, you need convenience. Why do you think that people are willing to pay $5 for a couple rolls of toilet paper at the Seven-Eleven? Convenience.
DJEV	Date: March 14, 2008 @ 1:58 PM I LOVE DMUSIC!! Thank you Leflaw for chiming in! When I first ed? I ONLY played tunes from DMUSIC ARTISTS!! ALL Indie All the Time... it is so wonderful to see that Dmusic is finally having their own show! Sadly? My Pc is down at home and I am at my Dads. To be honest? Yes I am bummed my "songs" are wiped out but I really hope they appear someday again due this was the only place I had them! I am ALSO very glad my playlists are still here so I can listen to my favorites!! I am also glad to see a lot of new people here on Dmusic along with many dear ol friends! Another thing.. Its awesome to see these Artists grow in their talents. I can still remember Dan Sindel and his long song, what was that? I played it in its entirety and now look hes in Guitar Player magazine! I've see guitaroo featured on Yahoo! That is so awesome to me!! People are going togo where they can get their music up and out, Im sure they will be back and if not oh well Im betting will be back! Too many awesome collabs here not too! Well anyways.... my 2 cents anyways! I miss being able to come here everyday, not having a PC at home, but love the fact I can catch up with all of you in the meantime!! ROCK ON, and special thanks to the admins and especially LeFlaw! Thanks man~ DJ EV
zedsalt	Date: March 15, 2008 @ 3:36 AM On 14th Mar 2008, Woof said: "Ebay's a great example of an interactive site that really does a lot for people. I agree it's a good model. Of course, since they're pretty much of a monopoly, there aren't a lot of places to compare it with." I think the sole reason they lack serious competition (except in certain niches) is that the better the merchandise at an auction, the greater the number of bidders, and the more bidders a seller can expect, the more he/she is to use that auctioneer. You hit the nail on the head, I think, when you cited an intuitive interface as the main reason for that success. "People by Windows based computers in huge numbers, compared with Apple and Linux. Yet most people seem to agree that either Apple or Linux is more secure." The common knowledge, right or wrong, is that less popular automatically equals more secure. And when we're talking about using the same software, optimized for use on each platform, I don't think anyone would argue against the benefits of being part of a smaller target. "Those who can, own them." Funny coincidence- I responded to a survey just yesterday in which I stated that, given my choice of cars for free, I would have zero interest in looks or speed and would base my choice almost exclusively on dependability. "My point is that, IMHO, the success of the site will be dependent on a high volume of diverse content. And to get that, it needs to function more like a Honda: Dependable, reliable, easy to figure out, and well within everyone's grasp. We're gonna have a whole new generation getting into this scene soon enough, and for as beautiful and elegant as a site like purevolume is, they're low on traffic." Well said, well spoken! And further to your point, I've visited Purevolume on a number of occasions, and in all honesty, I didn't notice any difference between it and a higher-traffic site like Soundclick.
zedsalt	Date: March 15, 2008 @ 3:37 AM By the by, I posted that one by hitting the Preview button.
ChillinBuzz	Date: March 15, 2008 @ 4:20 AM Preview button still does the same for me too... Oh well. I used to like ebay but recently a payment left my PayPal account to an anonymous auction on ebay and after complaining several times to them both... My accounts got suspended. Thieving bastards. They are a monopoly unfortunately and that seems to allow them to get away with this kind of behaviour... Much as I like Ferraris, they really only signal one kind of style for me, the one with more money than sense, the lack of sense clouding any reasonable judgment.
ChillinBuzz	Date: March 15, 2008 @ 4:21 AM On 13th Mar 2008, GTOriginal said: And don't blame me for the actions of a few renegade ninja midgets. Two of them didn't come back at all. I think they were eaten by DMusic's Security Hamsters (the ones who do not run the Server Treadmill). That's funny... We found their skeletal remains in your locker, Gary...
rico	Date: March 15, 2008 @ 8:45 AM aww yes, more stimulating dialog from the fuzz. dude go away, your a pest. I complain because i care. And I saw this site going down the shitter a long time ago, and I see it continue to flush away. I compared it to myspace because its about traffic. I haven't posted music, because there's no point when there's no traffic. grow up.
rico	Date: March 15, 2008 @ 8:52 AM there's just something about a person who tries to slam u in a forum because somehow its personal. lol, and who talks shit in your shoutbox, and yet bans comments from me in his box. truly priceless.
GTOriginal	Date: March 15, 2008 @ 10:15 AM Private Specific reporting to Things In General, SIR!
evansorchid	Date: March 15, 2008 @ 10:56 AM YESSIR!!!!!
Woof	Date: March 15, 2008 @ 4:30 PM Have some grapes, and peace out. Grapes are good for you. Seriously, though... nothing productive can come out of an emotionally charged argument.
rolar3	Date: March 15, 2008 @ 5:27 PM rico needs a timeout!
rico	Date: March 15, 2008 @ 5:32 PM i need a timeout? u gotta be kidding me... thx for the feedback rolar. of course there's sarcasm in that
rolar3	Date: March 15, 2008 @ 5:36 PM Hey...we're all bummed out about the site not completely working like it did. I had my rage and I got over it. I am not here for fame or exposure. I'm here because I dig the people. Lighten up and become one of them Rico. And I said that without sarcasm.
dsindel	Date: March 16, 2008 @ 11:27 AM All you need is LOVE..!