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killoFunk	Date: June 28, 2008 @ 3:56 PM ... Amy Winehouse, and this is the performance that made it happen. I've been wondering for a while why I kept seeing her name all over the place... question answered. Check this out... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh8ygb-th4Y refreshing to me...
GeneHilbert	Date: June 28, 2008 @ 6:47 PM Sorry - I just do not see the attraction with her. However the band kicks ass.
leedsquietman	Date: June 29, 2008 @ 2:14 PM Her band have backed better singers than her. Although I think that her immature, obnoxious, drug addled public persona also helps to detract from her obvious talent. I can't stand to look at the woman or read about her in the media, one train wreck after another, but she has a talent, pity she is throwing it all away...
killoFunk	Date: June 29, 2008 @ 4:04 PM The band is HUGE, lovin that. I guess it's her inflection, the movements. Not overdone like the dance/pop thing, and I'm kinda partial to that style of music anyway. As far as the druggie thing, well hey, Keith Richards is still appreciated Then again, maybe my attraction is that she is NOT trying to conform(con+form)i.e. keeping the industry from defining what she is at heart. I'm just diggin it, and I don't really know why yet myself... It's sorta driving me nuts right now...
GeneHilbert	Date: June 29, 2008 @ 4:28 PM Keith Richards is an icon. His influence, output and legacy are only rivaled by a very few of the modern age. To which Winehouse will never achieve and certainly doesn’t compare. As well Richards’ lifestyle is nothing to be emulated. I see her as wanting to be immortalized as another too soon departed dead rock star cut off in her prime. “The Cobain Syndrome”, a self-fulfilling prophecy............
leedsquietman	Date: June 30, 2008 @ 3:38 AM Gene is right, Richards was a great songwriter with years of input into classic rock tunes. Winehouse could also acquire this status, that is if she's got Keef's unkillability, but I suspect we'll find her dead in a toilet with a needle in her arm within a year or two. Keef eventually got himself off the dope (although he still drinks and smokes like a champion). Hopefully Amy can do, the first thing she needs to do is ditch that loser husband of hers, and get herself some sensible friends, instead of the crackhead low lives she hangs around with now. Taking heroin does not make one wannabe singer Billie Holliday !
Mojosnake	Date: June 30, 2008 @ 3:49 AM i'm pretty sure she was high and or drunk in that video.....
zedsalt	Date: June 30, 2008 @ 3:57 AM I couldn't help but think of Warren Zevon's last David Letterman interview, two friends talking about the fact that one of them would soon be dead. Dave just couldn't wrap his head around it when Warren said that looking back, he wouldn't have done anything differently. "Well, I might rethink the whole idea of not going to a doctor for 22 years", he said. I don't know. So much talent has left us so early, but if they've honestly looked at it as their stars burning brighter for a-shorter-than-average period of time... And I hate to encourage self-destructive behavior, but look at all the creative types who have "cleaned up their act"...and the later work...well... Like I said, I don't know.
leedsquietman	Date: June 30, 2008 @ 7:08 AM This is sometimes true, but Keef actually could not PLAY for a 6-7 year period, the Stones did not do much gigging during 1972-1979 period and when they did, they often tuned Keef out, used backstage backup guitarists to do his parts and on several occasions, he actually passed out on stage (blame it on nervous exhaustion as they did at the time. Not everyone needed to be high to write great music, The Doors and Jim Hendrix all made better music sober and declined as they got heavy into alcohol/substance abuse. The STones best material with keef was mostly his pre Heroin days, and don't forget poor Mick Taylor was an awesome guitarist until Keef introduced him to the old China White 2 or 3 years after he first joined and ended up a broken shell of a man. Eric Clapton wrote his best material with Cream before getting blasted on Heroin and did his very mediocre solo albums in the 70's while blasted off his head on coke or heroin. So, it isn't necessarily true at all that chemical stimulants leads to better music. Although I prefer the Beatles post acid Revolver onwards era, so maybe it was useful then. The 1950-60's era Jazz/Bebop had this connection with Heroin and it did for Billie Holiday and Charlie Parker among 2, but although Amy Winehouse is said to admire and model herself on singers like Holiday and Nina Simone, you don't have to take that level of inspiration down to ingesting the same narcotics ...
killoFunk	Date: June 30, 2008 @ 11:58 AM yeah, keef is OK, I don't have him on a pedestal though. I don't even know how long Amy's been around, like I said ... I JUST FIG'D OUT WHAT ALL THE HUBBUB WAS ABOUT!!! Let's at least let her go through a transfusion or two before declaring 'She'll NEVER be blah blah blah'. Just from reading this thread, one could surmise that ol' keefy just barely dodged the 'cobain' bullet himself. I don't understand how we can dog on one person's music because they're a heroin addict while praising another's in spite of being a heroin addict... Nothing in excess is a good thing, even sobriety,
SimonWaldram	Date: June 30, 2008 @ 12:39 PM I know it can be naive to go along with what the media’s perception of what a famous person is truly like, but it really does seem that Amy Winehouse is rapidly destroying both her talent and her life. I'm would also think that the very same gutter press who sensationalise her every transgression will put out many a mournful and glowing tribute to her wasted talent if she does indeed succeed in killing herself. In some respects I couldn’t care less. I don’t like her music at all and there’s far more important things happening in the world than the day to day activities of a rich drug addict. However, seeing someone seemingly self-destruct in public really is quite a depressing and disturbing site. I do hope she manages to sort herself out, but I’m pretty doubtful that she will.
leedsquietman	Date: June 30, 2008 @ 1:54 PM I wasn't dogging on her music. Her music is OK, her backing band are very good and probably best served with someone else. I wish Amy luck in her career and personal life, because like Simon said, it is depressing watching someone so badly in the gutter and every press release is a worse and worse train wreck, I mean she's already up there with Courtney Love in the cringingly embarrassing stakes. She usually looks like a half dead skunk who got dragged through a hedge back and forth several times and cannot carry out a coherent conversation, lord knows she had better get cleaned up if she wants to record anything else or make public appearences in future.
killoFunk	Date: June 30, 2008 @ 3:20 PM It is sad... I guess I missed out on the good parts. She does seem to be self destructing. But still, whatta voice. Simon has a point about the 'gutter press', but if it wasn't for the constant coverage... I wouldn't have made myself take a listen... FINALLY! I had to see what all the fuss was about... say what you will, I'm glad I did. The same thing happened to me with SRV, I was playing country in the bars and was so immersed in finding new tunes (and Brent Mason) that I missed out on his early stuff 'till it was old stuff... I mean I was into him for only a year before the crash. Talk about missing out!!! So if my luck holds true, she has about 11 months left...
Vickxxx	Date: June 30, 2008 @ 6:42 PM It's always interesting to see at what lengths people will go to control and maintain their own pain, suffering and happiness all wrapped up together in a nice little ball behind a dose or two of Dr. Feelgood. Some people can handle their joneses quite nicely like Walter Becker and Dan Fagan, Anthony Kiedus and Flea. Luckily they managed to step away from it, but after how many years and albums? Keef is just one of those lucky and talented bastards who has an indestructable constitution, God bless him. He stops drinking and smoking, that'll be the end of him. Sobriety will poison him to death. Star studded emotional trainwrecks have always graced the stages of entertainment and fans of the facade have always embraced them, never quite understanding why they burned so brightly and sometimes so quickly, but always admiring the ferocity of their talents and lifestyle. I do wish the best for Amy and hope she can come to grips with the demons within her. Hopefully she'll look back one day and say"Buggar all. I was really f@#*ed up at that show, wasn't I?" But as for a life being wasted thru self-destruction, that's too bad, certainly not depressing, I won't lose a nite of sleep over it, after all it's their selfish loss, not mine. But it is disturbing ... Disturbing that we as John Q. public can't really do anything to try to alter their course in life. Only they themselves and the clan surrounding them can do that. ... Disturbing and depressing that more attention and emotion is paid to a falling star than to those that have fallen in Iraq and Darfur. And that is a damn shame.
leedsquietman	Date: June 30, 2008 @ 7:27 PM and how she looked at the start of her career
DaveWL	Date: June 30, 2008 @ 10:25 PM I would not expect Amy Winehouse to have many fans here as R&B and Jazz are very quiet genres on this site. I’ve followed Amy’s career since she was promising 18 year old in 2002 who got to back Jamie Cullum and turned out a really well received but largely unsuccessfull jazz/R&B debut. Her success since has a lot to do with the Producer Marc Ronson who enlisted the very retro sounding Dap Kings backing band and combined with using lots of old Mics and retro studio equiptment to achieve that kind of Phil Spector/Motownish classic RnB sound. A sound that worked really well with her style and caught the public imagination. Fortunetly this was finished before she got really bad. She looks terrible now and it’s really tiresome seeing her in the UK tabloids every day. But she never got into hard drugs until her husband came on the scene and the press are constantly parked in her street. I think she is really talented, a great contemporary songwriter who has won a couple of Novello awards. The last Marc Ronson collab, a cover of the Zutons “Valerie” will remain one of my favourite tracks of all time. Martin’s pictures are very enlightening, I remember her as an attractive , very ballsy, down to Earth personality who was kind of refreshing because she said what she thought. I thinks it really tragic how she is now and even worse is the way the Media hound a very vulnerable person. I feel very sorry for her and I find it hard to watch.