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CountryMusikMan	Date: March 16, 2003 @ 1:44 AM overseas.They Said, Quote"We want you to know that we are ashamed that prisdent Bush is from Texas". Now i Don't know about you but that was not cool to say and they will probably pay for that comment. " id="36899">Has anyone heard about the comment the Dixie Chicks made about president Bush while they were on stage at one of their concerts overseas.They Said, Quote"We want you to know that we are ashamed that prisdent Bush is from Texas". Now i Don't know about you but that was not cool to say and they will probably pay for that comment.
leflaw	Date: March 16, 2003 @ 1:49 AM Now, Country, that Natalie Maines shure is perty, but no on ever said that she was the sharpest knife in the drawer.....
thumbtack	Date: March 16, 2003 @ 2:33 AM http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Music/03/14/dixie.chicks.apology/index.h tml" id="36904">They already are paying. A lot of country stations are already pulling them from the playlists. Now she's aplogized... http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Music/03/14/dixie.chicks.apology/index.h tml
johnnygnote	Date: March 16, 2003 @ 3:24 AM Hell I'm ashamed I'm from Texas It's one of the most racist states there are and a lot of my friends didn't live to tell about it Austin was cool in the 70's but it was an Island in the stream. You guys shouldn't be surprized at politics in music, It's been going on for ages. My first concert was Glen Campbell, I was 13, he told a joke, He said "they're shortening the name of Texas to Tex, they sent the other half to Washington" that was during Johnson's regime. I didn't vote for Bush. I quit voting when I realized it didn't make a diff if I did. They ended up all being A**holes. . we have to be careful not to fall in to the MC Carthy era syndrome. For those of you too young (no offense) or those who just don't know, I suggest you bone up on that part of the entertainment industries dark era.
Cryxan	Date: March 16, 2003 @ 3:34 AM I don't think it makes a difference, either, so I vote third party. At least I'm showing my disdain for the two-party system that way.
milladrive	Date: March 16, 2003 @ 5:38 AM I'm not ashamed Bush is from Texas. I'm ashamed he's from the U.S. Here's another typical example of how the quality of the music is affected by the personal actions of the artist, and how radio tries to control what the listener wants to hear. I'm sure the Chicks' music is a whole lot worse now than it was before the comments. Gimme a break. Imho, the Chicks have already done more good for music than Junior Warbucks will ever do for this country. And I don't hafta be from Texas to know that either.
jkate	Date: March 16, 2003 @ 8:13 AM Johnny: GLEN CAMPBELL? That puts you over the 100 year mark!!! Frankly I'm still amazed that Bush got elected, it's only encouraging the drunks and coke heads in this country that someday, they, too can be President. I was really anti-Dubya during the election, I just thought AL Gore had the kind of calm moral fiber (even if it was kinda similar to petrified wood) that wouldn't BEND in difficult times. I don't give a shit if my President is paralyzed, ugly, blind or mute, I want to be able to trust him to talk to foreign leaders, to TAKE CARE OF BIDDYNESS and keep his personal life out of the media in the meantime. (I still love Clinton but christ almighty) But...as much as I am embarrassed by the poor education of Dubya, and what a joke he is to other countries, I have to say I'm satisfied for the moment of how he's handled 9/11 and now Iraq. At least he has decent advisors. I don't think Bush would be able to handle these serious tragedies without a cabinet! But come on already. Why is Saddam still breathing?
jkate	Date: March 16, 2003 @ 8:14 AM Oh and I meant to say, I was born in Texas. Fort Hood, Bell County, but still, it shuts up these angry Eagles fans when they hear I am a Cowboys fan
RasMasta	Date: March 16, 2003 @ 12:07 PM I'm ashamed President Bush is from America
Expose	Date: March 16, 2003 @ 3:08 PM I'm ashamed NY is from America . I'm not into politics, but I did listen to one of his speeches one night while I was eating, he can't even say nuclear right. What a moron.
jkate	Date: March 16, 2003 @ 3:09 PM Nook-lur
RasMasta	Date: March 16, 2003 @ 3:14 PM Bush is a puppet of his father.
johnnygnote	Date: March 16, 2003 @ 7:47 PM Well it was either Glen ot Jimi Hendrix but my parents wouldn't let me go to the big J (too many drugs ) That didn't stop me. Well as we move closer to the fiasco that Bush is perpetrating, it becomes more clear that diplomacy was not his first choice. Saddam is still alive because we as a militaristic nation need enemies. Read "Endless Enemies" and "The Military Industrial Complex" both are very clear and explicit on our need for war. As far as weapons of mass destruction goes no one seems to be talking about the fact that we can wipe Iraq off the face of the map in a matter of minutes. That's my soapbox for the day
invocati	Date: March 16, 2003 @ 8:21 PM cherries.We had Afganie support in Afganistan. No one in Iraq likes us. I just hope we trully kick ass if it comes to war." id="36977">I just hope this whole war thing don't turn out to be another Vietnam. Alot of people don't talk about that but it's a possibility. Who thought Russia would have such a hard time with Afganistan. Ya we did kick ass in Afganistan. But war can be uncertain . Iraq is a whole different bowl of cherries.We had Afganie support in Afganistan. No one in Iraq likes us. I just hope we trully kick ass if it comes to war.
smelv1n	Date: March 16, 2003 @ 8:44 PM on the subject of a war in Iraq Chris Rock said something along the lines of In a war, both sides usually need to actually be able to hurt each other. We're jumping Iraq. But you know what the oddest thing is? Bush and his fuck buddy want to invade Iraq because Iraq violated UN sanctions or whatever they're called even if the UN doesn't approve, which will be violating the UN, so does that mean we have to invade America? I nominate Switzerland to lead the invasion of the USA.
smelv1n	Date: March 16, 2003 @ 8:45 PM i know this isn't a laughing matter, but i'm immature so SHUT YO MOUTH!
Svensta	Date: March 16, 2003 @ 9:46 PM Screw the UN resolution and unilateral consensus. The other countries should just be concerned with their own selves. Lemme go ask my neighbor down the block if it's time to trim the hedges. Please. As for the Dixie Chicks, it's only in a country that fights for freedom that can allow someone to get rich and still badmouth the system that made them rich. Does anyone actually LISTEN to a celebrity the moment they cease being entertaining? I laughed myself stooooopid reading about the Bestie Boys commenting on Bush's energy policies. Again.... Please.
thumbtack	Date: March 16, 2003 @ 9:49 PM The lighter side: Q. Did you hear about the secret weapon the military has developed? A. They are going to parachute Martin Sheen into Iraq and have him talk Saddam Hussien to death.
dekand	Date: March 17, 2003 @ 6:50 PM Thats why Musicians and Arists, Actors, anyone in the public eye but not related to politics needs to keep their mouth shut, they don't need to use their status to try to influence people because their voice is no more than mine and mine doesn't get heard.
RasMasta	Date: March 17, 2003 @ 7:09 PM dekand...but what about people making peace songs opposing the war?
smelv1n	Date: March 17, 2003 @ 7:33 PM of course Svensta, because we all nominated the states to be the judge jury and executioner for the world... jackass.
smelv1n	Date: March 17, 2003 @ 7:38 PM dekand, and bob marley should have fucking kept his big mouth shut right?
dekand	Date: March 17, 2003 @ 7:43 PM what does bob marley have to say thats any more important than some other habitual weed smoking guy who thinks he knows everything about politics? nothing... so why should his voice be any more important? it shouldn't, and most and i stress most of the artist/actors that speak out don't know what the hell they are talking about so they should do everyone a favor and keep their lids closed, and don't call me a jackass because i did nothing to offend you, for you to insult me shows your level of maturity and that level is not high enough to even be posting in this conversation.
Acumen	Date: March 17, 2003 @ 10:29 PM bush is another whore in the capitalist gangbang just because comments come from musicians or actors or people that love pot doesn't mean the comment is irrelevant. most of bush's arguements are irrelevant. yes, musicians are not politicians. but the voice of politicians these days are milipitive (ima pore speler). if anyone has something to say against what the president says, it usually gets drowned in the sea of puppet politics. musicians give the little man a voice. it's what gave the protests during vietnam a boost. one's that use their fame to promote a cause is doing a good thing, even if you or I don't agree with what is said. and calling someone immature is nothing more than egobursting.
dekand	Date: March 17, 2003 @ 10:40 PM im not calling him immature to make myself feel better, he simply is, thats that. and i dont know about the whole giving the little man a voice because whens the last time the Dixie Chicks called you for your opinion? exactly.
Jennae	Date: March 17, 2003 @ 10:47 PM I tell you what... It's discusting that just because you spoke your mind, your music suffers, music is music. Ok so it's not the way things are and she was stupid about the whole open your mouth insert foot thing but pfft so what! what does her opinions have to do with her voice?? unless she's singing about how shitty he is ya know? and as far as this war crap... i'm with smelvin... who's violating what again? it's kind of calling the kettle black. And i'm damn sick and tired of the rich power hungry assholes sitting in their chairs with their feet on the desk, meawhile sending our sons, our fathers, our husbands out to fight out their damn ego trips. I'm so not down with war! And we can send a man to the moon, but they can snipe all fricken 200 look alikes of saddam?? wtf! bullshit! I don't believe that! there just isn't any money or fun it in for bush that way. and I don't know about you, but it scares the hell out of me how much Bush looks like his father.., I don't see a damn but of barbara in there... i wonder maybe george was a hermaphodite There has to be another way other than pissing off a seriously demented man and creating major havoc on our already dying world.
RasMasta	Date: March 18, 2003 @ 12:38 AM Bob Marley didn't just sing about pot...just like Marvin Gaye didn't just sing about sex...
dekand	Date: March 18, 2003 @ 2:40 AM Jennea, im sorry but anyone who can sit and say that Bush is wrong in what him and his people are doing obviously doesn't care about the threat that Saddam presents, do you really want another 9-11 to happen? because it will if we don't do something about it... it seems everyone is shell shocked that we actually have a president in office that takes action rather than sit on his lazy ass and talk about doing things, o and getting head from you know who... but he was a GREAT president according to so many people.. yeah, right. And money? money! do you know how Bill Clinton pays for his multi-million dollar house? with your tax dollars, so how do you feel about paying for Bill's morgage? is it better than Bush spending your money to stop from having your home bombed with anthrax or whatever the hell else is out there? i don't think so ... and if you wanna know how he's paying for his house with your money its this simple, he's got a guest house for his secret service agents that are with him untill he dies, its part of being president, and the government pays for their housing, which just so happens to be the exact ammount of bills monthly morgage, so basically your tax dollars pay the secret services' rent on the guest house that Bill owns, which he then pays his morgage with... aint it great? no its fucked up just like its fucked up for so many idiots to bash Bush for standing up and doing what needs to be done, but o well i guess we have a bunch of people that like terrorism and want to go to a war much bigger than whats going to happen soon... hey whatever floats your boat man.
johnnygnote	Date: March 18, 2003 @ 4:06 AM Look I was a political activist for over 30 years, the voice of the people doesn't get heard very well or often. Too many times the public sentiment is smoothered by propaganda and those who can afford to pay for the airtime. It's a resposibility for those of us who do have the public ear to speak our minds for those, that can't. Artist throughout history have been spokes people for the little guy, right from the top of the list comes Woody Guthrie, the plight of dust bowl refugees would have been unheard with out him. And by the way have you forgotten that Reagan was an actor long before he was a politician? This is America and if you have and opinion you are free to speak it no matter who you are. I reiterate. If you don't know your history I suggest reading about the McCarthy era. There was a country that sought to silence it's artists and literaries before, I believe it was HItlers Germany, oh yeah there was another it was Communist Russia, oh and there was yet another it's Communist China... Get my point?
Cryxan	Date: March 18, 2003 @ 5:41 AM Dekand, I agree with everything you said about artists using their popularity to influence people.
Leajay	Date: March 18, 2003 @ 7:14 AM If and (i think they will) Iraq uses chemicals to kill our troops does'nt it make it all irrelavent?
Jennae	Date: March 18, 2003 @ 9:22 AM Brandon Lee The Crow I here ya Dekand and everyone else that's into this war, I just don't agree with the tactics and the way it's all happening... they could easy take the war out of iraq and saddam without taking out the iraqies and their world. I disagree that just bebause of guilt through association mass murdering is ok. granted they did it to us so screw all of them too huh? ego's... the wrong people suffer... saddam won't be killed.. and he' probably taking a small vacation til it's all over in hawaii or something :shrugs: I know what I say is unrealistic, and not thesible, but... screw this war bullshit! And ok so natalie isn't smart... but per political views are moer important than her music? That;s like dekend saying damn that jennae, screw her nonsense, i'm never listening to her music again ... wtf :shrugs: ya know. unfortuNATALIE it does make a difference." id="37248">I'm just pissy about the whole way this things is handled, and what just becasue we go to war moe attacks can't happen?? pfft... That's a false sense of security is you ask me. We are always possible victims. "Victim's are we all" Brandon Lee The Crow I here ya Dekand and everyone else that's into this war, I just don't agree with the tactics and the way it's all happening... they could easy take the war out of iraq and saddam without taking out the iraqies and their world. I disagree that just bebause of guilt through association mass murdering is ok. granted they did it to us so screw all of them too huh? ego's... the wrong people suffer... saddam won't be killed.. and he' probably taking a small vacation til it's all over in hawaii or something I know what I say is unrealistic, and not thesible, but... screw this war bullshit! And ok so natalie isn't smart... but per political views are moer important than her music? That;s like dekend saying damn that jennae, screw her nonsense, i'm never listening to her music again ... wtf ya know. unfortuNATALIE it does make a difference.
victorsskull	Date: March 18, 2003 @ 9:43 AM well we are going to war and the first target is the dixie chicks house
dekand	Date: March 18, 2003 @ 12:32 PM hahah victor. Jennea, i never really did much like the Dixie Chicks, i could stand listening to them but i wasn't a huge fan or anything, and them saying something like that just makes me not want to ever listen to them, because your supporting someone that doesn't support what you believe in, its like going to a Morman Church and giving them money and your a Christian lol. o well so they lost a lot of fans because of their dumb statement, i don't care much haha.
lordDeaconGreen	Date: March 18, 2003 @ 12:32 PM First tha IRAQIES had not masterminded 911 and if they R haboring Al Queda then we need to look in ourown backyards Bcause AlQueda is habored in our country. Tha media has got tha public twist tied and glad wrapped and we R ignorant enough to Blieve all tha lies they forcefeed down our esuphugus' U tell me what this war is about... I whatch a broad span of news programs and NOT ONE program agrees on why this is happening... Ultimatives R a great military stratagy. 48 hrs U better B gone or WE R GOING TO TERRORIZE URE INNOCENT... U know it hurts us when we get attacked. It's painfull more so when we kill others... We need to spend money on bettering tha society then to let tha society go to waste on tha backburners of Stealth bombers that do nothing but let flyboys and girls think they got big dicks and breast.
lordDeaconGreen	Date: March 18, 2003 @ 12:34 PM but I could b wrong but i doubt it.
Leajay	Date: March 18, 2003 @ 1:34 PM I noticed that 2 Deacon that if anyone is anti-war then they get pounced on, everyone has their right to express in this so called democracy, let the war take its course afterall it was planned years ago, just its come to a head now, unless my country gets attacked then really its all not worth talkin about, just that our troops are fighting for the course, may god be with them.
johnnygnote	Date: March 18, 2003 @ 2:48 PM http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/press.htm We were warned about 9/11 check this out: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/world/south_asia/511841.stm Is Saudi Arabia really our friend? Check this out: http://www.dawn.com/2003/03/18/top13.htm Is this a case of Imperialism? Look here: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/18/international/middleeast/18MILI.html Fact: the US bought more oil from Irag than any other country in the last 4 months. Consumption from Irag increased by 15% starting in Sept and peaked in Jan. If they are the enemy why are we paying them so much money for oil. Ask the question, why? Are the oil companies exempt from fairness to their own people in the US? I don't like the Dixie Chicks, I think they are over rated but I support their right to speak their mind on or off the stage. And don't feed me any BS about wars gave them that right!! I don't buy in to that propaganda BS, freedom is a God given right and He/She didn't say you gotta kill for it! I know this is just my opinion and a lot of my friends died in Viet Nam, so in a way I know a little about war. The war we are about to fight with Saddam is a farce, a no contest. Innocent people are about to die in Baghdad, and it sucks. Why don't Bush and Saddam just duke it out instead of killing innocents and putting young americans lives in jeopardy? I'm not afraid of being antiwar, I get sH for it but It's my right and I guess in a way my friends died in Viet Anme so I could be here to say this today. Freedom to speak your mind is the first thing that will be taken from you. Then what?" id="37280">So is it ok for big corporations to influence people ? Is all the talk about the RIAA just bs ? If artists are not allowed to influence then why do big money fat cats get to? It's a war of knowledge and words, that's where it starts. Reagan didn't become president because he was a great statesman. We in the US are not being told the whole story. check this out: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/press.htm We were warned about 9/11 check this out: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/world/south_asia/511841.stm Is Saudi Arabia really our friend? Check this out: http://www.dawn.com/2003/03/18/top13.htm Is this a case of Imperialism? Look here: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/18/international/middleeast/18MILI.html Fact: the US bought more oil from Irag than any other country in the last 4 months. Consumption from Irag increased by 15% starting in Sept and peaked in Jan. If they are the enemy why are we paying them so much money for oil. Ask the question, why? Are the oil companies exempt from fairness to their own people in the US? I don't like the Dixie Chicks, I think they are over rated but I support their right to speak their mind on or off the stage. And don't feed me any BS about wars gave them that right!! I don't buy in to that propaganda BS, freedom is a God given right and He/She didn't say you gotta kill for it! I know this is just my opinion and a lot of my friends died in Viet Nam, so in a way I know a little about war. The war we are about to fight with Saddam is a farce, a no contest. Innocent people are about to die in Baghdad, and it sucks. Why don't Bush and Saddam just duke it out instead of killing innocents and putting young americans lives in jeopardy? I'm not afraid of being antiwar, I get sH for it but It's my right and I guess in a way my friends died in Viet Anme so I could be here to say this today. Freedom to speak your mind is the first thing that will be taken from you. Then what?
milladrive	Date: March 18, 2003 @ 3:10 PM However, nobody badmouthed the system. She badmouthed Bush. She is ashamed that George W. Bush is her president, as am I, but bein' from Texas, she is especially ashamed. No one here is even aware of the fact that her statements got a big cheer when made during the concert, as most of the Brits in the room happened to agree with her. Further, the statements weren't meant to be anti-US, anti-war, anti-Industry, or anti-anything other than anti-Bush. Dekand, so you're saying they should keep their mouths shut simply because the media pays more attention to them than they do you or me? Why is it up to the celebrity to remain silent? Who's more interested in their words, them or the public? This was a private concert. Tickets sold. Whoever said she was "using her influence as a celebrity" to do anything? And why is it wrong for celebrities to use their voices to speak up about things they believe? Why _not_ use that fame for all it's worth? Every day, Bob Barker suggests to all Americans at the end of his game show that we get our pets spayed and neutered. He's using his fame to influence people and I see nothing wrong with it. He's not responsible for their going out and spaying the cat. To be blunt, people are responsible for their own actions, and if an "influence" has a negative effect, then who are we to blame or credit? Imho, it should go to the person who took the action. The fact remains that more people in the world are interested in Marley's words than a less scrutinized person. I don't think it's up to the person to keep their mouths shut. If others are interested in what we have to say, they'll listen. I'd sure hate to think Lennon should've kept his mouth shut when it came to anything other than music. Again, I point to 1966 when he made his comment about Christ. He too had to "apologize" amongst the midst of Beatle bonfires, bad press, radio bannings, and cancelled concert dates. The people overreacted to those comments then, just as they're overreacting to these here today. They've been incredibly stretched outta proportion. I mean, we've practically pegged Ms. Maines as a bleedin' communist, for chrissake. Gimme a break. Their music is no less groundbreaking now than it was last week. Jennae, I essentially agree with what you're saying. Of everyone I've read so far in this thread, I agree with you the most. :) ...At the same time, I do support this imminent war. I support this conflict because I know that if the world doesn't take Insein outta power now, his strength will increase exponentially in the coming years. It needs to be done. He is a world threat. Clinton vs. Bush is over. I would have accepted this conflict at any time during the past 12 years, given what I know, but let's face it, had Daddy finshed the job, this wouldn't be necessary. ..at such expanded costs. ...And notice how it's timed ever-so-perfectly to assure support is at its peak next November during a year-old war. :\| See, tho? I'm fully supporting elimination of the current regime in Iraq but that doesn't negate my stance that I've never disliked an American president more than this current one. Johnny, I fully understand where you're at, and I agree with the bulk of your sentiments. I too am generally anti-war. I hate it. Hate that kids hafta die and kill in order to promote a cause. Unfortunately, sometimes war is necessary (unlike Vietnam, which, imho, wasn't.) ...Right now, I'm increasingly fearful to be living in the northeast, particularly NY or DC. If the world waits on this guy, he'll make it here. ...And let's face it, Insein wouldn't even show up for that brawl. ..and if he did, he'd fight dirty. Okay, I'm done rambling now. :2cents:" id="37282">"As for the Dixie Chicks, it's only in a country that fights for freedom that can allow someone to get rich and still badmouth the system that made them rich. Does anyone actually LISTEN to a celebrity the moment they cease being entertaining?" ...Good points. However, nobody badmouthed the system. She badmouthed Bush. She is ashamed that George W. Bush is her president, as am I, but bein' from Texas, she is especially ashamed. No one here is even aware of the fact that her statements got a big cheer when made during the concert, as most of the Brits in the room happened to agree with her. Further, the statements weren't meant to be anti-US, anti-war, anti-Industry, or anti-anything other than anti-Bush. Dekand, so you're saying they should keep their mouths shut simply because the media pays more attention to them than they do you or me? Why is it up to the celebrity to remain silent? Who's more interested in their words, them or the public? This was a private concert. Tickets sold. Whoever said she was "using her influence as a celebrity" to do anything? And why is it wrong for celebrities to use their voices to speak up about things they believe? Why _not_ use that fame for all it's worth? Every day, Bob Barker suggests to all Americans at the end of his game show that we get our pets spayed and neutered. He's using his fame to influence people and I see nothing wrong with it. He's not responsible for their going out and spaying the cat. To be blunt, people are responsible for their own actions, and if an "influence" has a negative effect, then who are we to blame or credit? Imho, it should go to the person who took the action. The fact remains that more people in the world are interested in Marley's words than a less scrutinized person. I don't think it's up to the person to keep their mouths shut. If others are interested in what we have to say, they'll listen. I'd sure hate to think Lennon should've kept his mouth shut when it came to anything other than music. Again, I point to 1966 when he made his comment about Christ. He too had to "apologize" amongst the midst of Beatle bonfires, bad press, radio bannings, and cancelled concert dates. The people overreacted to those comments then, just as they're overreacting to these here today. They've been incredibly stretched outta proportion. I mean, we've practically pegged Ms. Maines as a bleedin' communist, for chrissake. Gimme a break. Their music is no less groundbreaking now than it was last week. Jennae, I essentially agree with what you're saying. Of everyone I've read so far in this thread, I agree with you the most. ...At the same time, I do support this imminent war. I support this conflict because I know that if the world doesn't take Insein outta power now, his strength will increase exponentially in the coming years. It needs to be done. He is a world threat. Clinton vs. Bush is over. I would have accepted this conflict at any time during the past 12 years, given what I know, but let's face it, had Daddy finshed the job, this wouldn't be necessary. ..at such expanded costs. ...And notice how it's timed ever-so-perfectly to assure support is at its peak next November during a year-old war. See, tho? I'm fully supporting elimination of the current regime in Iraq but that doesn't negate my stance that I've never disliked an American president more than this current one. Johnny, I fully understand where you're at, and I agree with the bulk of your sentiments. I too am generally anti-war. I hate it. Hate that kids hafta die and kill in order to promote a cause. Unfortunately, sometimes war is necessary (unlike Vietnam, which, imho, wasn't.) ...Right now, I'm increasingly fearful to be living in the northeast, particularly NY or DC. If the world waits on this guy, he'll make it here. ...And let's face it, Insein wouldn't even show up for that brawl. ..and if he did, he'd fight dirty. Okay, I'm done rambling now.
thumbtack	Date: March 18, 2003 @ 4:55 PM http://www.womenforiraq.org/letter.html From Iraqi Women about Iraq. Not quite as good of a website as the RAWA website ( http://rawa.false.net/index.html )about Afghanistan, but it does shed some light on the subject. " id="37303">http://www.womenforiraq.org/letter.html From Iraqi Women about Iraq. Not quite as good of a website as the RAWA website ( http://rawa.false.net/index.html )about Afghanistan, but it does shed some light on the subject.
johnnygnote	Date: March 18, 2003 @ 6:10 PM I understand Milla I guess where I'm comin from is that if we stop speaking out then that's when the real trouble starts. War's have happened for centuries and nothing we can do will stop them. Only evolution of the soul will change things and I think it's gonna be a while. Thumbtack very powerful links there great perspective on the issues at hand, but I still feel strongly about our involvement. If the people in that part of the world can't take care of there own problems, why should we be the ones to do it when we can't take care of our own problems here. Spending billions to depose a tyrant will only get us nothing. Yet i think it's healthy that we all have the freedom to voice our opinions here and like the Dixie Chicks isn't that what we are all doing. So peace to you all and I pray that the following days will not lead us in to a World War, that's all I as one man with children can do. Just pray I think this thread is about the right to speak out in public, and thank god we can still all do that whether we agree or not
SoOfficial	Date: March 18, 2003 @ 6:26 PM Too much to read so ill just skip it..and say my peace.. hm..I don't listen to country...but it's stupid they're bein' penalized for freedom of speech..truthfully..I think Bush is a greedy & ignorant...person..and the whole war thing..he's takin' a large risk..not 100% sure we goin' to win..1/2 chance..blah blah blah..I'd be ashamed too..disagree, agree..w/e..oh and I think its definent that we're going to war..really whats the odds that Saddams goin' to leave HIS country?..that's like someone knockin' on your front door and telling you to pack your bags..and get the hell out..really..would you leave?...1
Jennae	Date: March 18, 2003 @ 6:30 PM aweeeeee comere everyone um let me in the middle incase we get bombed j/k
milladrive	Date: March 18, 2003 @ 6:43 PM And I agree that it's the best thing in the world to live somewhere where our opinions don't get us persecuted. Of course, on the internet (more specifically DM), one may live anywhere in the world and enjoy that freedom, but it's just nice that we're evolved enuff to be tolerant of all ideas. ...Well, most of us anyway. See those Chick fires on the news? :' All of a sudden, the music is worthless to them. People are so amazing sometimes. Between the US Bible Belt and Iraq, I could :poop:" id="37321">"If the people in that part of the world can't take care of there own problems, why should we be the ones to do it when we can't take care of our own problems here." I think it's primarily because, in the 21st Century, we cannot simply localize everything to within borders. The amount of destructive strength can affect every living thing in the world. We won't have any problems at all over here at all to take care of if the problem that exists there is allowed to continue festering. We're not just liberating the Iraqi people, as we would be in centuries gone by. And I agree that it's the best thing in the world to live somewhere where our opinions don't get us persecuted. Of course, on the internet (more specifically DM), one may live anywhere in the world and enjoy that freedom, but it's just nice that we're evolved enuff to be tolerant of all ideas. ...Well, most of us anyway. See those Chick fires on the news? All of a sudden, the music is worthless to them. People are so amazing sometimes. Between the US Bible Belt and Iraq, I could
smelv1n	Date: March 18, 2003 @ 8:04 PM hey dekand, i didn't call you a jackass. i called svensta a jackass. go look, see, i was just asking you a qusetion JACKASS. and by the way, if nobody told you yet... iraq wasn't behind 9/11 (just to let you know) you think i'm immature, i think you're an american that's been scared shitless by the media and his war mongering president. lordDeacon said it best. then milla said it better.
smelv1n	Date: March 18, 2003 @ 8:06 PM and i bet you're one of the idiots that eats chicken fingers and freedom fries.
jkate	Date: March 18, 2003 @ 8:15 PM God, here we go again.
Jennae	Date: March 18, 2003 @ 9:34 PM you beat me too it kate! LAY OFF THE NAMES SMELVIN!! CAUSE NOW YOU ARE BEING IMMATURE! Here take your medicine
smelv1n	Date: March 18, 2003 @ 9:41 PM oh no, i said a naughty word!! drop some bombs, just make sure you don't call them dirty names.
milladrive	Date: March 18, 2003 @ 9:42 PM smelv1n's cool. Ya gotta know him to love him.
smelv1n	Date: March 18, 2003 @ 9:45 PM calling dekand a jackass and an idiot or renaming french fries to freedom fries because you've got your panties in a knot over some politicians from france? yea, i think i'm more immature too.. " id="37359">tell me what's more "IMMATURE!!!!" calling dekand a jackass and an idiot or renaming french fries to freedom fries because you've got your panties in a knot over some politicians from france? yea, i think i'm more immature too..
Jennae	Date: March 18, 2003 @ 10:00 PM although we are sure you were replying to svensta in uttermost adorance and a hidden kind manner that some of us may not have understood, we are just trying to make sure that we don't repeat the whole issue of verbally attacking other dm members. Which i'm sure you weren't really meaning to do becasue it was all in jest I am sure and that pill I slipped ya was a perkaset.... you will be just fine any minute now
Jennae	Date: March 18, 2003 @ 10:02 PM oh no now you did call dekand a jackass he's gonna be in here any minute to you. What are we gonna do with you smelvin
smelv1n	Date: March 18, 2003 @ 10:15 PM meh he's a jackass, what else is there to say?
Jennae	Date: March 18, 2003 @ 10:21 PM ok I give =P
johnnygnote	Date: March 18, 2003 @ 10:30 PM Speaking of, Hey JKate love that new Icon :) and Jennae keep on being the voice of humorous reason:love: Smelvin :wink: LDG how do you write that short speak:shrug: It's cool. Thumbtack your are a breath of equal vision:thumbsup: :grouphug: Dekand just remember, Ronald Reagan was an actor long before he was president. That means you have a shot at it :wink: " id="37370">Well Milla, I appreciate your global awareness it's a good thing, but there are some things over here that we can't ignore, the abuse of children is worse than ever and women, as free as they may seem here, are still being beaten every 7 minutes ( or less), schools are lacking in education materials and so on and so on.. I have a friend in the police department of a local city that tells me wife abuse is extremely bad in the force and anyone who says anything is ostrasized(sp). Life is not as simple as it may seem, granted Goddam Insane is no piece of cake, but if we are so concerned about freeing oppressed people, why did we sit on our hands for so long on aparthied in South Africa? The list goes on.. we all have our own reasons to justify our actions in Iraq. I have to agree this is really about Bush and the fact that he's suffering from Daddy envy, Oedipus oh Oedipus where for art thou Oedipus It's easier to look in your neighbors backyard and call foul. I respect yours (Milla) and everyones opinion here or I wouldn't even bother to voice mine. I feel I'm in good company and our diversity creates strength in our convictions. It's healthy to disagree, it builds "Nads". Speaking of, Hey JKate love that new Icon and Jennae keep on being the voice of humorous reason Smelvin LDG how do you write that short speak It's cool. Thumbtack your are a breath of equal vision Dekand just remember, Ronald Reagan was an actor long before he was president. That means you have a shot at it
Jennae	Date: March 18, 2003 @ 10:39 PM damn I think I have another emoticaon wh0re on my coat tail well It won't be long and I think johnny just may become the emoticon
smelv1n	Date: March 18, 2003 @ 10:46 PM that's all true johnny but if (read when) we go to war with iraq we the public can forget about all that!! YAAAY! the media can (read will) have something to focus on for a little longer, and all that will go away! YIPPIE!!
AustinVehicle	Date: March 18, 2003 @ 11:42 PM I used to just think the dixie chicks were cute. Now I kinda like their style too.
Jennae	Date: March 18, 2003 @ 11:53 PM yep! gotta like a woman who speaks her mind!
RasMasta	Date: March 19, 2003 @ 12:45 AM How many people care what the dixie chicks have to say anyways? lol
nemoorange	Date: March 19, 2003 @ 1:28 AM But what happens when Texans mess with Texas? chaos apparently." id="37396">Okay, we all know "Don't Mess With Texas" But what happens when Texans mess with Texas? chaos apparently.
milladrive	Date: March 19, 2003 @ 10:14 AM Johnny, again, I agree with the crux of your statements and ideals. One thing I'll point out, tho, is that all those things you mentioned that indeed we shouldn't ignore are not world threats. Threats to the survival of the entire human race. One thing at a time. We can't cure world hunger if all the hungry people are killed from a "nucular" or chemical holocaust. We can stop wife beaters but what good is it if all the wives are dead from radiation? ...Apartheid in South Africa doesn't directly affect the welfare of other countries' populations and well being. Again, I think we should point to those issues that affect the whole world first, not just the issues that affect the heartstrings of those who observe things they don't like.
smelv1n	Date: March 19, 2003 @ 2:21 PM so me, being the immature asshole I am respond with "Ok, from now on I'm never giving to charity, because I woudln't want to corrupt anybody with my evil evil money" but I agree with milla, those problems suck, but there's some that suck even harder than those suck. sucky eh? " id="37451">hehe, time for me to be an asshole last year in economics we were having that lame ass goes-nowhere talk about rich and poor people, and what to do to bridge the gap. this girl in my class stands up and says "POOR PEOPLE ARE HAPPIER THAN THE RICH! They have family and don't care about possesions and stuff! They don't need money to be happy!" so me, being the immature asshole I am respond with "Ok, from now on I'm never giving to charity, because I woudln't want to corrupt anybody with my evil evil money" but I agree with milla, those problems suck, but there's some that suck even harder than those suck. sucky eh?
jkate	Date: March 19, 2003 @ 2:41 PM mmm sucking
thumbtack	Date: March 19, 2003 @ 2:58 PM When I lived in Malaysia, I spent time with a group of aboriginies (Orang Asli) who lived in the rainforest and off of the rainforest. They had few material possessions and what they did have were mostly dedicated to survial. A blowpipe for hunting, a parang which is quite similar to a machette, only twice as heavy and about half as long. The enitre village had one boat, a canoe like thing about 20 ft long, handmade. They lived on platforms made from bamboo and palm fronts (surprisingly they don't leak either). Their whole day centers around providing food for the village of about 50. The women start the day digging roots, and picking berries (a long with the children)The men fish and hunt. Fishing is done by diving in the river and spearing the fish with a homemafe spear. Hunting was with blowpipes and deadfall traps. Once the food needs are taken care of, (usually by mid day) they kick back relax and have fun, the children make toys out of bamboo and palms. They make musical instruments out of the same materials. At night thy tell ancestial stories and play music on their wood and bamboo instruments. I've never met a happier group of people in my life. They were quick to laugh, extremely friendly and quite grateful for any contribution I made (I was pretty good at fishing with rod and reel) When I left I presented my rod and reel to the village elder (chief). He was flabbergasted. He gave me a handcarved 6ft long blowpipe, dartcase, and darts (some tipped with the poison they use to disable animals) It was my turn to be flabbergasted as it takes weeks, maybe even months to make a blowpipe of this quality. It was a life lesson in that it doesn't take money, or a lot of posessions to be happy. Like the song from Sister Hazel says "If you want to be somebody else,if you're tired of losing battles with yourself, change your mind" (from the movie Bedazzled)
jkate	Date: March 19, 2003 @ 3:34 PM I was horrified - being a supporter of peace I wasn't convinced we'd tried to resolve the issue in less genocidal ways. I don't care for Bush, but he is my President, and while I didn't vote for him, I support him because I support my country. He isn't making these decisions alone, so hating Bush (Dippie Chicks) is completely ignorant and short-sighted. I wonder if the Chicks were busy waxing their legs or bleaching their hair when the elections rolled around. People have nerve throwing judgments around having not lived in someone else's shoes." id="37464">Right after 9/11 my extremely righty Catholic family started howling for blood. The first thing they said was "We better bomb Afghanistan off the map." I was horrified - being a supporter of peace I wasn't convinced we'd tried to resolve the issue in less genocidal ways. I don't care for Bush, but he is my President, and while I didn't vote for him, I support him because I support my country. He isn't making these decisions alone, so hating Bush (Dippie Chicks) is completely ignorant and short-sighted. I wonder if the Chicks were busy waxing their legs or bleaching their hair when the elections rolled around. People have nerve throwing judgments around having not lived in someone else's shoes.
Jennae	Date: March 19, 2003 @ 3:34 PM ahhh yes agreed.
RasMasta	Date: March 19, 2003 @ 5:40 PM When Texas messes with Texas we get imbredded rednecks
SoOfficial	Date: March 19, 2003 @ 5:41 PM haha.."freedom" fries..is very stupid..that change was very childish..I still call em' french fries tho..or just fries so it don't matter..
JFF	Date: March 19, 2003 @ 6:02 PM Tony Blair is my Prime Minister, but I don't back him on this. Ask anyone who's been to war what they think & most of them will tell you the same thing.. Don't. I agree, he's not making the decisions on his own (god can you imagine what would happen!). If AMerica's (and the UK's) foreign policy hadn't been so f**ked up in the 1st place, we probably wouldn't be talking about this now. What the Dixie Chicks said didn't deserve the response it got imo. Oh & don't forget all those American companies that have supported the IRA over the years, so that they could blow people in the UK. My This is just my opinion, don't want to upset anybody, hope it doesn't read to badly!.
JFF	Date: March 19, 2003 @ 6:03 PM blow people blow up! doh!!
RasMasta	Date: March 19, 2003 @ 6:05 PM I'm gonna freedom kiss my girlfriend
JFF	Date: March 19, 2003 @ 6:10 PM I'm going for some freedom toast.
invocati	Date: March 19, 2003 @ 7:16 PM This is America(WOOD /Kaz) I hold these truths to be self evident...........Resisting authority is merely common sense....The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.. Yet you brand me a traitor for my dissent. This is America...With patriotic claims we do disgrace... This is America...Blinded by the flag waving in your face...Deny the reality of people in distress...In nation where justice is the standard we profess...Quote the constitution chapter and verse...The sting of hypocracy ten times worse...( you've been listening to propaganda. Fables) (Many will carry the scares) (Be a pawn, A toy, be a good soldier that never questions orders) ( AMERICA) Career politicians, not citizens with missions... With corporate contributions to thank for their positions... You call this a democracy- Who do you represent? Capitalistic interest with malicious intent?
Jennae	Date: March 19, 2003 @ 8:12 PM that was beautiful
smelv1n	Date: March 19, 2003 @ 8:51 PM man, the beastie boys shoulda written something awsome like that!! the one they wrote is garbage! i'm a huge fan of the beastie boys, they're awsome, but maan does that 'in a world gone mad' song blow.
getthafukout...	Date: March 20, 2003 @ 5:32 PM You losers dont understand that the freedom that you have now is due to the fact that our country fights wars to protect your naive loud mouths. George Bush is a hero, and by the way, he is not a dictator. The U.S. is based on DEMOCRACY. That means that we choose a a whole to do what is best for our country, and to defend our freedom. If you do not like it, get the fuck out. Our government deserves our support and those of you who do not understand that this war is against an unstable regime that is interested in killing YOU are morons and should leave this WONDERFUL LAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
getthafukout...	Date: March 20, 2003 @ 5:38 PM The beasty boys, along with the dixie chiks and other arrogant persons in the public eye(sue sarandon, paul newman etc) should be jailed for being ignorant. They think because they can get on T.V. that they know what is goin on and to make it worse, punks like smelv JFF jkate and especially invocati listen to and agree with them. You half-wits need to realign your beliefs, or take them to a place where they parallel others(wherever that may be). Don't pollute our free air with you disdain.
clandestiny	Date: March 20, 2003 @ 5:40 PM Moron.
JFF	Date: March 20, 2003 @ 5:49 PM We were having a perfectly normal discussion until you came along, I'd be surprised if you even understood 1/2 of what invocati said. Sure I don't always agree with 1/2 of what is said on here, but I'd rather discuss it with them in a democratic way. I reckon you'd fit in just fine in Iraq with your attitude you muppet. " id="37669">Getthafukout.. In a democracy there is freedom of speech, in Iraq where there is no democracy, people like you rule the country, and force people to "align" their own beliefs. We were having a perfectly normal discussion until you came along, I'd be surprised if you even understood 1/2 of what invocati said. Sure I don't always agree with 1/2 of what is said on here, but I'd rather discuss it with them in a democratic way. I reckon you'd fit in just fine in Iraq with your attitude you muppet.
professional...	Date: March 20, 2003 @ 6:09 PM handbags at dawn here. personally i can't argue about politics because i don't vote and i don't really care that much about what's going on. war is wrong though. it makes me pay higher taxes and i also have to pay more for my petrol because of it. there is also a chance that i'll get the call up. f*!? that.
professional...	Date: March 20, 2003 @ 6:30 PM america is a democracy but the W has wanted a war to impress his old man. he didn't get the afgahn one so he's going after iraq. can't say i agree with it for the above reasons and because of the way war is fought lately. put all the war hungry people in a big cage, prod them with sticks to start them off and let them get on with it leaving uslot here to make the music.
Jennae	Date: March 20, 2003 @ 7:28 PM well I proudly say! screw this f'in war! And it's the land of the freedom of speech so ... =P
jmweirick	Date: March 20, 2003 @ 9:02 PM war, who cares. just as long as i can use dm i'm happy.
RasMasta	Date: March 20, 2003 @ 10:27 PM I'm gonna freedom braid my girlfriend's hair.
akirah	Date: March 21, 2003 @ 12:30 AM my opinion them dixice chicks or whoever they are were suckin up to whomever they were performing for...i dont like bush either..to me i think he is a sinister asshole...iraq never provocked the U.S George Bush is making amerikkka look like a big bully...he will regret this war as will all of us..and we didnt even start it..bush did...all he wants is saddam out so he cant get his hands on them oil rigs..you know it i know it..it always boils down to the almighty dollar...but thank god we live in a country where we can object to government decsisions without getting hung...peace
joemommabstank	Date: March 21, 2003 @ 5:37 AM the dixie chicks be wack man---not enough rap---but id still break dem country hoz a little sumptim sumptim. id puff a mad blunt and bend dat natalie ova and show her how we do it on da westside..der music be wack though holmes
JFF	Date: March 21, 2003 @ 7:01 AM Ras, how many more of these have u got
jkate	Date: March 21, 2003 @ 8:49 AM Really, Ras, so we can prepare ourselves for the long haul. I'll go to the bathroom now and get some food if it's gonna be another couple hundred...LOL
Jennae	Date: March 21, 2003 @ 9:00 AM :disappointed: I'm tired of hearing about all the "meow" joe wishes he were getting. :nod: there's this word... called "tack".. YO HOMES PEEP THA SHEIIIT. " id="37811"> "and bend dat natalie ova and show her how we do it on da westside" I'm tired of hearing about all the "meow" joe wishes he were getting. there's this word... called "tack".. YO HOMES PEEP THA SHEIIIT.
Jennae	Date: March 21, 2003 @ 9:21 AM Tact actually i was talking about sicking on em so it was half right j/k
RasMasta	Date: March 21, 2003 @ 11:17 AM I'm gonna go watch Grease. Don't you all hate that one girl who wants to the be the hairdresser? What is her name? Freedomie?
creepychrist	Date: March 21, 2003 @ 11:31 AM Man you guys are really fired up about decisions that were apparently made against 40 percent of the country's wishes. Maybe that means that democracy doesn't work...hmmm...or maybe just American democracy with a conservative monkey in the white house.
RasMasta	Date: March 21, 2003 @ 12:22 PM American Democracy only counts in Congress.
smelv1n	Date: March 21, 2003 @ 8:47 PM that doesn't sound like freedom to me assmunch. i'm glad i do live in a country where my beliefs "parallel others", my prime minister isn't sending any troops to iraq." id="37929">hey getthafukout... you're obviously an idiot. "You half-wits need to realign your beliefs, or take them to a place where they parallel others(wherever that may be). Don't pollute our free air with you disdain." that doesn't sound like freedom to me assmunch. i'm glad i do live in a country where my beliefs "parallel others", my prime minister isn't sending any troops to iraq.
jkate	Date: March 21, 2003 @ 9:11 PM Creepy - American Democracy DOESN'T work. The American people don't vote, so 40% of the country can kiss everyone else's ass - they choose not to participate in their government, they get to be the angry majority. And spin on it. I hate to say this about my own countrymen, but jesus, what lazy expectant bastards we are. You know, we will sue McDonalds because WE were stupid enough to put HOT COFFEE between our legs, but we won't vote for the leader of the free world. We only cry out when something personal happens to us - a loved one gets killed at an intersection, a child molester moves in, WAR: The Ultimate Reality TV show. Puh-LEASE. These Americans protesting the war annoy me. Isn't it great that the facist government THEY HATE so much are protecting the protester's right to demonstrate without being decapitated? Try doing that in Tiannamen Square...oh wait, some formerly living students already tried that. Let's throw all the anti-wars in Iraq and see how they feel when Sodom(y) is dropping test bombs on them without warning or apology. Let's see if the peace talkers want to hug a tree when they have no arms.
jkate	Date: March 21, 2003 @ 9:12 PM Oh and getthafuk out - why don't you read? I don't agree with those bimbos.
CountryMusikMan	Date: March 23, 2003 @ 3:50 AM PRESIDENT.WE WOULD ALL BE IN A LOT OF TROUBLE!" id="38050">I THINK IF WE HAD ANY OTHER MAN OTHER THAN BUSH AS PRESIDENT THIS COUNTRY WOULD BE DEAD BY NOW! AND AS FOR ALL OF THE OTHER COWARDS OUT THERE WITH THEIR PUSSY ASS PROTESTING THEY CAN GO LIVE IN SOME OTHER COUNTRY AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED. HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN THAT WHAT HAPPENED ON SEPTEMBER 11TH I THINK A LOT OF AMERICANS HAVE.I AM NOT A REPUBLICAN,BUT IF THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED WHEN CLINTON WAS PRESIDENT.WE WOULD ALL BE IN A LOT OF TROUBLE!
CountryMusikMan	Date: March 23, 2003 @ 3:58 AM oops sorry about the caps yall
jkate	Date: March 23, 2003 @ 10:52 AM Whoa now Country...I think you're being a little optimistic about Bush's ability. We're talking about the same man who was caught with cocaine AND charged with driving under the influence. Now, I'm a big believer in evolution of people as PEOPLE, but Bush isn't a savior and he isn't a saint. He's smart enough to take good advice. That's about it...
JFF	Date: March 23, 2003 @ 11:08 AM http://deoxy.lycaeum.org/chimp/index.pl :lol:" id="38066">Bush is a chimp.. no really he is.. http://deoxy.lycaeum.org/chimp/index.pl
jkate	Date: March 23, 2003 @ 11:52 AM Once again, we REALLY need an icon of a smilie spewing soda all over the monitor from laughing so hard

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