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Doomagoth	Date: May 18, 2003 @ 12:29 AM This whole down loading thing is a crock of SHIT. Why should I give away my music///9874987975987597
ashleighj	Date: May 18, 2003 @ 12:30 AM because no one in their right mind would pay for it?
Doomagoth	Date: May 18, 2003 @ 12:31 AM Im not so desperate that I want every body to get a free chunk of my Brain..
Doomagoth	Date: May 18, 2003 @ 12:33 AM youself.Any thing good cost you something.. " id="46296">Youve got a low opininion of youself.Any thing good cost you something..
ashleighj	Date: May 18, 2003 @ 12:35 AM my post was meant as a joke, sorry if you missed it. goodnight moon
Jennae	Date: May 18, 2003 @ 5:10 AM way I see it you just paid :2cents: to give it to us. :lmao: " id="46307"> "Im not so desperate that I want every body to get a free chunk of my Brain.." way I see it you just paid to give it to us.
animateur	Date: May 18, 2003 @ 5:30 AM blahh...man you do it for the love of making music...or at least i do...i dont put ALL my music on here...i dont know...i guess you just put your best tracks up here so you can get noticed ...lataz
johnnygnote	Date: May 18, 2003 @ 8:30 AM First let me say that I put music on the net about 2 years ago and I let it go for free. I still do that but now I also have a CD for sale. I put the music I don't mind people downloading on sites where they can and the music I don't want easy access to on sites where I can control that. Actually I still give most of it away. It all depends on why you play music. If you don't wnat people to "have a piece of your brain" keep your brain out of it. What ever your reason for playing and recording music, it's all up to you and if you don't want people to have it don't give it away. Some people here are just simply proud of what they have created and want to share it, you know like a proud parent bragging on their kid. Others just plain love music and want others to love it with them. The choice is yours but others make the choice to share, it feels good to them. I know I appreciate them doing it. I love beign able to hear how others feel and what they think about this ball of dirt and their lives.
monsquaz	Date: May 18, 2003 @ 10:34 AM Look, I want to get paid for my music too, but I KNOW that I'm not to that point in my music career just yet. I need to gain notoriety first so that I can possibly get a record deal. Try not to get focused so much on the MONEY, or you'll end up as just another belchcore nu-metal capitalist moneygrubbers on the Roadrunner record label.
Doomagoth	Date: May 18, 2003 @ 11:25 AM download.Soundclick does." id="46328">Ok,Does dmusic give me the option of just letting people stream the music and not download.Soundclick does.
ashleighj	Date: May 18, 2003 @ 12:07 PM nope, but even if it did, people could just click "save stream to disk" -- so it really doesn't make any difference.
Expose	Date: May 18, 2003 @ 12:16 PM So people can hear it. What makes your stuff so great, that people should go out and immediately buy it, without hearing it first? And for God sakes, ANYTHING THAT CAN BE STREAMED CAN BE DOWNLOADED. If it's available in HTML(not flash) from the server, it's downloadable. People who let people hear their music for free, don't have a low opinion of themselves, they just want people to enjoy what they've made more than make a profit off of it. Plus, in good headphones, you can tell the diff(well, when my tinnitus stops ringing), from a 160k MP3 and the original anyway. It's not the original CD at 128k.
Jennae	Date: May 18, 2003 @ 12:40 PM well All I can say... Soundclick SUCKS! number one! and that if I had never allowed people to DL or listen to my music it will never create that so called Buzz. I think If I did have a CD and that if I wanted to sell my music, I think I would have a better chance of distribution seeing that more people have become familair with my music through allowing it to be heard. who's getting rich and famous anyways
Doomagoth	Date: May 18, 2003 @ 1:08 PM they.Noti ce thats theres only about 8 bands selling Cds on dmusic,whats the deal.Are all you so called artists just like scum dog downloaders,you want it all for free right.Will dmusic grow or just slowly die." id="46341">Dmusic must have tons of cash so they can just give away everything for nothing,oh yeah I forgot they need money for new servers dont they.Noti ce thats theres only about 8 bands selling Cds on dmusic,whats the deal.Are all you so called artists just like scum dog downloaders,you want it all for free right.Will dmusic grow or just slowly die.
Funksaw	Date: May 18, 2003 @ 1:23 PM Doomagoth: One word. Exposure. It's simple. Give away your stuff for free now so that people are willing to take a chance on listening. This will create exposure for you at concerts and live venues, where most musicians make most of their money.
Expose	Date: May 18, 2003 @ 1:51 PM 1) DMusic hosts other sites. One way it makes money. 2) There will be a pay service soon. 3) They already ordered new servers. Anything else?
Doomagoth	Date: May 18, 2003 @ 1:57 PM more.So what about CD baby.com. any opinions." id="46344">Money good,need more.So what about CD baby.com. any opinions.
thumbtack	Date: May 18, 2003 @ 5:51 PM CD BABY charges you $4 per CD we charge you three. Unlike soundlick, we send your product out for you. Lets you concentrate on your usic rather than business. " id="46350">Doom, So let's see you just want people too stream not download your music. Here is my suggestion. Make a sampler that contains say about a minute of eah song you currently have avalable and then remove the full tracks. Or upload a brief clip of each song, along with one or two full ones you don't "giving away". CD BABY charges you $4 per CD we charge you three. Unlike soundlick, we send your product out for you. Lets you concentrate on your usic rather than business.
mracky	Date: May 18, 2003 @ 5:54 PM I like to look at it from a different angle. How much should you charge for a song? 8th grade stuff: If you sell a CD for 6.00 that has 12 songs on it, the songs have acollective value of 50 cent each. If you finagle with the prices, say, charge 99 cent for a song, then some other song will have to be a penny in order to equal the 6 bucks. To me, trying to put such numbers on my work leads to the ultimate conclusion that the music should be free. Charge for the performance!
Expose	Date: May 18, 2003 @ 6:03 PM Consider music like plumbing. Paying $1 for each bottle is ridicoulous, so a company won't filter it as well(all the mineral/no mineral crap), don't bottle it, and pump it to people's homes through cheap pipes for a low monthly fee called the waterbill. Buying CDs of all the music you like for $15 each is as insane as buying 200 bottles of aquafina to take a shower. So came ISPs, and a little fee called broadband internet and a high quality P2P network/independent music site.... Applying the logic that downloading music for free is stealing is the same as saying that everytime I use my faucet I take away from money that should've went to Aquafina or Poland Spring. It's
invocati	Date: May 18, 2003 @ 7:28 PM I have had great response to my music but nobody seems to want to buy my C.D. Too much free music.I am getting great exposure though!
Veracohr	Date: May 18, 2003 @ 7:47 PM Doomagoth, if you don't want people to download your music, why do you have so many songs here? No one's forcing you to have your music available for download.
Veracohr	Date: May 18, 2003 @ 7:51 PM Oh yeah. For me, the point of giving away music is that music is good, and getting things for free is good. I want people to hear it, and if I'm lucky, it will touch someone. That's why I make music, because I've been touched by so much music. I want to reciprocate.
dsch	Date: May 18, 2003 @ 8:03 PM Music should be a form of expression. Musical expression is best acheived through performance. Musical expression is best appreciated through listening, and listening is only hindered if there is a fee in the way. It's understandable that people who spend a lot of money producing their songs should want some back, but your average independent musician /doesn't/ spend a lot of money. And if you ask me, /nobody/ should consider their expressions exclusive enough to demand a fee. I personally find it rather corrupt that people now demand so much compensation for something that used to be so free and open. If you don't like downloading and music sharing, though, I must ask why you joined this site if you knew what it was.
dsch	Date: May 18, 2003 @ 8:07 PM Oh, and I should add that I completely agree with mracky in terms of charging for the actual performance, not for the music itself.
Expose	Date: May 18, 2003 @ 8:13 PM If the DM CDs were $3-$7, I'd have at least 5 right now, and definately Invocati's.
Funksaw	Date: May 18, 2003 @ 9:02 PM -- Funky. " id="46371">It's true - I'm trying to be real picky about the CDs I buy through CDBaby, because with shipping, an indie CD costs more than a used Mainstream CD. The problem, of course becomes: Yes, I think these are fair prices - but I really have to hunt and search for really good music. I've found ONE CD so far, and I want to get more than one to lower the shipping cost per-cd. See "Comparing Indie to Mainstream" thread in Music for details. -- Funky.
leflaw	Date: May 18, 2003 @ 9:30 PM How much would you all pay for a dmusic cd-r with 40 - 50 mp3's ?????
ashleighj	Date: May 18, 2003 @ 9:37 PM seriously? about 15 cents.. not to be sarcastic, just being honest.. i can make one with 200 or so mp3's of my choice for about 30-40 cents.
Veracohr	Date: May 18, 2003 @ 9:38 PM I wouldn't pay anything for mp3s.
fireball87	Date: May 18, 2003 @ 9:52 PM nah... who would pay for mp3s... not good enough quality...
Expose	Date: May 18, 2003 @ 10:23 PM http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/attachment.php?s=&postid=87742 Sounds like ass. That's why I'd never pay for an MP3 file. :nod: " id="46390">This is a piece taken out from real music. Convert it to a 320k MP3, encoder of choice, and listen in headphones; http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/attachment.php?s=&postid=87742 Sounds like ass. That's why I'd never pay for an MP3 file.
Doomagoth	Date: May 18, 2003 @ 10:58 PM Mp3s.Why not let a person hear your music with no down loading available.Then if they like it they can buy it.Money is a tool. " id="46400">I want sell Cds not mp3s,Idont give a crap about Mp3s.Why not let a person hear your music with no down loading available.Then if they like it they can buy it.Money is a tool.
ashleighj	Date: May 18, 2003 @ 11:12 PM of course, if i really like the music and the artist and there's a value in having the cd, then i might still buy it." id="46401">because i will just click "save stream to disk" if i like the song that is unavailable for download, that's why. and then i will have the unavailable mp3 on my computer. of course, if i really like the music and the artist and there's a value in having the cd, then i might still buy it.
Funksaw	Date: May 19, 2003 @ 12:27 AM Doomagoth: Okay, you want to sell CDs. But how are you going to do that unless you let people listen to your music? You expect them to shell out money for something that they have no idea what it sounds like? That's even if they've heard of you at all.
ronnie71	Date: May 19, 2003 @ 1:52 AM but mp3 has nothing on the original CD in quality its just a way people can listen.. but some people might like one song of yours and thats it and wont buy the CD but they will share that one song to thier friends and maybe one thier friend will become a rabid fan buying all your CD's, shirts,stickers, and coming to your shows.... there are billions of people who will not buy a CD from you but all you need is maybe a small few and you live your dreams... think of an mp3 as a loss leader which people get something for free in hopes they will come back and buy from you again. It is a very common business practice.. peace
Svensta	Date: May 19, 2003 @ 8:42 AM Doom, the simple fact is that there is _NO_ way you can allow people to 'listen' to your music without exposing it for download. There are other music sites that are trying just that, and guess what? I download from them too. The savvy will find a way. What's more important is that you are defying simple economics. Why on earth would I send you a dollar when I haven't been able to preview your stuff? I don't buy a thing, from electronics to food, without at least the IDEA that I will enjoy it. You build demand, THEN you worry about methods of supply. You sound a great deal like the RIAA in saying how you demand to get paid for it, and that piracy will be the death of you, and blah blah blah. But think. Madonna released her newest bundle of tripe and it was shared HEAVILY. And yet, her sales are just fine. Because she has a demand for her stuff. Develop a craving for your stuff, and sit back and cash checks, simple as that. No demand, you get nada. Oh, and Ashleighj is right. I wouldn't even offer postage to pay for an mp3 disc. Lossy quality copies of things I already have on my machine, or can get with no trouble on my own? No way.
Jennae	Date: May 19, 2003 @ 4:45 PM yep exactly svensta... and svensta..because he has been able to preview my music... has requested a CD and even to pay for one but i refused payment as seeing he's so cool and all but um.....oh shit I was sending that CD in December wasn't I it's coming sven I swear it see what happens when i am in charge of distribution i'll get right on that
monsquaz	Date: May 19, 2003 @ 4:56 PM Selling MP3s is not efficient, because it has licensing rules. You must pay royalties to the Fraunhofer Institute(the creators of the MP3-encoding format) if you wish to sell any. Ogg Vorbis on the other hand, is royalty free(and apparently sounds better). Too bad that official support for it isn't too widespread.. I don't think even QUICKTIME has first-party support for it.
Expose	Date: May 19, 2003 @ 5:00 PM Except for hardware players, Ogg Vorbis is getting a lot of support, and we should see a Neuros and iRiver player for it soon. It's got a lot of development goin' on right now tho..... And sven, you will tell me how you download from electrogarden. I am stumped.
Doomagoth	Date: May 20, 2003 @ 9:21 PM on.Ive got a site to play my stuff and a site to buy my stuff and the great part is i control the whole thing without a middle man.Its the only way I want to do it.I do it all from recording to shipping out the product.It is called the music biz not the music give away right? Thanks its been a nice visit here but i didnt want to join a little club where you listen to others music and play critic.Im gone. " id="46623">Thanks for all the info,Ive already moved on.Ive got a site to play my stuff and a site to buy my stuff and the great part is i control the whole thing without a middle man.Its the only way I want to do it.I do it all from recording to shipping out the product.It is called the music biz not the music give away right? Thanks its been a nice visit here but i didnt want to join a little club where you listen to others music and play critic.Im gone.
ashleighj	Date: May 20, 2003 @ 9:27 PM farewell, and good luck selling your music at a place where people don't "listen to others music and play critic". i'm sure that must be a very difficult endeavor.
sinai	Date: May 20, 2003 @ 11:17 PM oh man oh man, how will we ever survive without u?
Electroharmonix	Date: May 20, 2003 @ 11:20 PM NOOO!! THE MAFRIAA'S BRAINWASHED HIM! ...I think.
sinai	Date: May 20, 2003 @ 11:21 PM the law of the land electro... the sick and slow get eaten...
Doomagoth	Date: May 21, 2003 @ 1:33 PM herd.Ive already had more people listen to my stuff in 3 days,compared to a month and half here.See it does take some guts to leave the safty zone.Trust no one. speak to no one and you will live. " id="46680">1 More thing most people are like cattle,they just go along with the herd.Ive already had more people listen to my stuff in 3 days,compared to a month and half here.See it does take some guts to leave the safty zone.Trust no one. speak to no one and you will live.
ashleighj	Date: May 21, 2003 @ 1:48 PM wow, you finally got something right.. most people in this world _are_ like cattle in a herd. but i thought you wanted people to buy your music, not listen to it and play critic? (if you did, in fact, want people here to listen to your music.. you didn't do a great job saying so.)
billhudson	Date: May 22, 2003 @ 8:20 AM This whole thing of music on the net I think works kind of like this... lets say you have a CD and you want to get the word out. You put 1 or 2 songs out there for free to pull people in. They listen, they like, they buy your CD. Job done in that department. But here the thing... once you get your song out there, people may learn it and want to sing it. Once they sing it, someone else might want to sing it and on it goes. It has a life of its own and it most of the time it just grows. And watching it grow is something that still amazes me. Stiil Pickin' B.H." id="46776"> "Why should I give away my music?" Well the fact is you don't have to. You can keep it in your room and maybe have a few of your friends to listen. But if you want to get out there and do this for a living, thats another thing. This whole thing of music on the net I think works kind of like this... lets say you have a CD and you want to get the word out. You put 1 or 2 songs out there for free to pull people in. They listen, they like, they buy your CD. Job done in that department. But here the thing... once you get your song out there, people may learn it and want to sing it. Once they sing it, someone else might want to sing it and on it goes. It has a life of its own and it most of the time it just grows. And watching it grow is something that still amazes me. Stiil Pickin' B.H.
RonKauffman	Date: May 26, 2003 @ 10:55 PM You know...I've asked this question myself. The answer is fairly simple. You can share free for awhile...unless your independently wealthy....or you can remain one of the best kept secrets in the world. The web is a tool. You find out in here from people you don't know if what your writing, and ,if your talent as an artist are what anyone's looking for. How will you know your good enough if no-one but family and friends hear you? Of course they think your good enough. If, however, you can attract the attention of other artists and gain their respect, its fair to say your moving in the right direction. Your peers are the hardest to impress. After all, their trying to impress you. So...by giving some of your music away free, you not only increase your chances of selling it, you also increase the chance that a label or publisher will become interested in what your doing. Its a "show me" not "tell me" business. Everytime someone downloads or listens to my music, it tells me something I'm doing is right. After all....your still pitching your art and this gives the people your pitching to a reference point to work with. I hope this helps. Just figure you have to give alittle to get something and it will make more sense. Peace, Ron
johnnygnote	Date: May 27, 2003 @ 12:40 AM I think doomagoth you did the right thing by yourself. But putting down this community is not very cool. I smelled an instigation going on here and believe you are baiting people in to your little mind trip. Good luck on your capatilistic venture and when you make your first million be sure to save it. Your gonna need it to pay your taxes. Leflaw if it was to support DM I would pay at least $10.00 dollars for it (i'm an average individual with an average income.) I think most of the people that responded to this post have very good comments and have been very honest about why they are here. Perhaps as time goes by the instigators of negative attitudes and people who put down others for what they do will move on. I guess I'm dreaming:eyesroll:
RonKauffman	Date: May 28, 2003 @ 8:18 PM Ohhhhh, a mind trip....I had a few of those when I was a kid. But I quit doing what caused it while I was still a kid. Peace, Ron
Doomagoth	Date: July 10, 2003 @ 12:14 AM Suckers.. I played you all. Thanks for all great entertainment.
yeshu2k	Date: July 11, 2003 @ 4:22 PM Well I think everyone does it cause they can't get paid for it without the big companies. While I've heard a lot of folks baggin on the RIAA, which I agree with, unfortunately they have made it hard for us to get paid for ours. You put it up here cause you ain't gettin paid for it nowhere else. If you did have it up there and a lot of people knew about you, your stuff would wind up on Kazaa and Direct Connect and you still wouldn't be gettin paid for it. I think that if this continues the only way we will be able to make money is on our live concerts, and selling merchandise, like T-Shirts and cups and stuff with our name on it. Cause the music is gonna wind up on P2P anyway. If they don't stop the P2P's even the big companies will go out of business and that will leave us up here posting the stuff for free. No music belongs to you, even if you wrote it. Music comes from the spiritual world and all we do is reinterpret it according to our thinking. So get a clue, this whole site ain't about music, it's about community. Music just happens to be the rallying point.
flamingpyro	Date: July 11, 2003 @ 5:00 PM
ashleighj	Date: July 11, 2003 @ 6:04 PM quite right.. i see this as all being natural. for the majority of human history, music has been something that is only created live. the advent of recording changed that historical tendancy, but now the recordings are becoming more like advertisements for the live performance. in a sense, it's just nature making things right again. except it's technology.
JFF	Date: July 11, 2003 @ 6:16 PM I'm in trouble then I can't play a single instrument.
blooddshedd	Date: July 17, 2003 @ 5:55 PM by givin away music you get your name in the streets and whrever else u may want it

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