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Philos60	Date: August 26, 2003 @ 1:02 PM If yes, let me know why? This is my view and recommendation to listen to different genres: Listen to music of complete different genre versus music you are used to. This opens your musical horizon in terms of new positioning of your genres, and inpiring you to extend your own musical potential. If your musical taste deny a special genre, you should know why, otherwise you are a captive within your own musical creativity. Just the opposite of your tracks showing you sometimes missing ingredients of your songs. Don't worry, this is only one opinion of many other equivalent views. Philos60
starseven	Date: August 26, 2003 @ 1:07 PM do i deny them?... yeah i guess so.. i deny the existance of EMO.. i am convinced it is just really bad alternative rock
milladrive	Date: August 26, 2003 @ 1:22 PM http://www.allmusic.com/mus_maps.html Subgenre styles: http://www.allmusic.com/mus_Styles.html Oh, and starseven, you're just about correct. :) At All Music, do a search for Emo. Click "styles" first. I'd post the url, but it's static. To answer the question as I understand it, no, I don't discount any recording based on genre. Granted, I like some styles less than I do others, but, imho, listening is the only way to know. ...Besides, I believe style to be only in production. A good melody is a good melody, and a good composition can be done in any style. :)" id="60067">These are the best and most accurate genre categories I've ever seen. Genres: http://www.allmusic.com/mus_maps.html Subgenre styles: http://www.allmusic.com/mus_Styles.html Oh, and starseven, you're just about correct. At All Music, do a search for Emo. Click "styles" first. I'd post the url, but it's static. To answer the question as I understand it, no, I don't discount any recording based on genre. Granted, I like some styles less than I do others, but, imho, listening is the only way to know. ...Besides, I believe style to be only in production. A good melody is a good melody, and a good composition can be done in any style.
Philos60	Date: August 26, 2003 @ 1:35 PM That's what I can confirm as my opinion too! But as a prerequesite: the music must be free of wrong plays and of good recording quality. " id="60070">Hi milladrive! "A good melody is a good melody, and a good composition can be done in any style." That's what I can confirm as my opinion too! But as a prerequesite: the music must be free of wrong plays and of good recording quality.
milladrive	Date: August 26, 2003 @ 2:38 PM Also, I tend to disagree that the recording quality needs to be good. Forgetting my recordings altogether -- which, as poorly produced as they are, I can envision in a few styles, including rock, country, or r&b -- there have been many songs I've fallen in love with after hearing only very crude and/or decayed demos. Several "unrecorded" Lennon songs come to mind here." id="60082">Thanx much, Philos60. Whaddaya mean, tho that the music needs to be "free of wrong plays?" Also, I tend to disagree that the recording quality needs to be good. Forgetting my recordings altogether -- which, as poorly produced as they are, I can envision in a few styles, including rock, country, or r&b -- there have been many songs I've fallen in love with after hearing only very crude and/or decayed demos. Several "unrecorded" Lennon songs come to mind here.
Expose	Date: August 26, 2003 @ 2:55 PM Gangsta rap is on that list too. If I want to hear that, I'll go outside a deli in manhatten with a keyboard preset on. :lol: :p " id="60090">Bluegrass. I can't stand that genre., or anything closely related to it. Alternative too, but alternative rock rules. I hate that "ooooohh, baby, yeah" stuff. Especially the "times are hard, ooooh, yeah, baby ohhh, hard" crap. Gangsta rap is on that list too. If I want to hear that, I'll go outside a deli in manhatten with a keyboard preset on.
milladrive	Date: August 26, 2003 @ 3:22 PM "Besides, I believe style to be only in production. A good melody is a good melody, and a good composition can be done in any style." ...Thanx for grasping that concept, Expo. =p
thumbtack	Date: August 26, 2003 @ 3:35 PM I listen to a little of everything..good music seems to come through regardless of the genre..I wouldn't call myself a bluegrass fan but there is some bluegrass I like (I live right in the heart of it)..
erikshawn	Date: August 26, 2003 @ 3:55 PM yeah, country sux, no matter how hard anyone may try, it will still always suck. except maybe for the theme from walker texas ranger, that's hilarious crap!
erikshawn	Date: August 26, 2003 @ 3:57 PM actually.But country still sux..." id="60103">i'd say that anything that's shit and actually takes itself seriously, wether it's norwegian death metal, or spanish techno made to drive really fast, any genre can be shity, it depends on how u approach it actually.But country still sux...
milladrive	Date: August 26, 2003 @ 4:00 PM Don't even get me started.
monsquaz	Date: August 26, 2003 @ 4:36 PM Rap and hip-hop never appealed to me. It's just not my culture, I guess...
Philos60	Date: August 26, 2003 @ 5:43 PM Rap and hip-hop are not my taste too, but my son (17y) like it very much. I tried to understand... it's possible now to understand my son's taste...
Philos60	Date: August 26, 2003 @ 5:49 PM " id="60120">H milladrive! I mean with "wrong plays": jarring, cacophonous, dissonant tunes.
ronnie71	Date: August 26, 2003 @ 8:04 PM milla i think Philos60 means wrong notes being out key and not intentionally...
milladrive	Date: August 26, 2003 @ 9:06 PM Thanx much for the clarification.
Philos60	Date: August 27, 2003 @ 2:11 AM " id="60159">Thank you ronnie71, I'm German and I did not find the right terms. Now I learned: "wrong notes"... "out key". Yes, that's what I meant.
Cryxan	Date: August 27, 2003 @ 4:54 AM Actually, it's "off key."
Philos60	Date: August 27, 2003 @ 6:40 AM I try to play never "off key".
pog	Date: August 27, 2003 @ 8:58 AM Personally, I aspire to be like those guyz ;-)" id="60175">IMHO, but there's no such thing as off key. Unless of course the instrument is badly tuned. Yeah right, I hear you say, but it's true. Every note at any point in time can be related to any note... it's about how to figure it out. I started playing guitar (as many do), playing the pentatonic scale (5 note's to the octave), then I realised if you added these notes here and there, you could make a relative, or natural minor scale. Then I realised you can stray in the same way from any scale, and find interesting modal, or feel changes. Finally, I realised the potential of a chromatic scale (1 semitone, or fret at a time), and thus came up with the theory that every note can work with any note. The more I research the issue, the more I learn that's it's not about key's or notes, but more context of the delivery, or that it feels right. As far as genre's go, I never deny any style, or genre, as they all have much to offer. Sometimes I get bored with one, however I always go back to each style sooner or later. In my experience people who bag a style always fail miserably at writing/playing songs in that particular style, which reflects their ability to truly play their instrument. For example, I'm convinced that if someone said to Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, or Dimebag Darrel "yo man, lay some jamming over this here country rock riff" I seriously doubt they would say... "you kidding ?? country rock sucks." Personally, I aspire to be like those guyz
Philos60	Date: August 27, 2003 @ 5:50 PM I totally agree with your statement: "As far as genre's go, I never deny any style, or genre, as they all have much to offer."" id="60205">Hi pog! You seems to be an expert on music. I agree to your explanations due to the musical logic. Sometimes the "12 tone music" (what's the English term for that?) could be interesting for some experimental reasons. I totally agree with your statement: "As far as genre's go, I never deny any style, or genre, as they all have much to offer."
pog	Date: August 27, 2003 @ 8:56 PM Hey Philos ! Thanks for the nice comments. Im experienced, and I've studied guitar for some time, but I don't consider myself an expert as I don't think it's possible. They call the 12 note octave the Western Tonal System.
princess-angry	Date: August 27, 2003 @ 9:03 PM I am sincerely open on alot of genres. I particularly like anyhthing a far fromn the norm.... like the song "market" from the group M6!!! its an older song but it is really cool and really different!!!
ronnie71	Date: August 28, 2003 @ 3:06 AM yeah poggy thats why i said ... intentionally ... and Cryxan you act just like my mother... its see not saw ..blah,blah,blaw
Cryxan	Date: August 28, 2003 @ 4:17 AM /me slaps Ronnie. Now go to your room.
Expose	Date: August 28, 2003 @ 4:18 AM I truly enjoyed that comment.
4H2SO4	Date: August 29, 2003 @ 9:21 PM " id="60407">The only genre I deny is pop and hip-hip (there is a difference between rap and hip-hop). I listen to the radio station that plays the least music which I find annoying (New rock, despite my being a "rapper") If I hear something I like, I'll find out the band name and download some of their other songs. I listen to a lot of different stuff from classical Mozart-type stuff to EZ-E.
Izekial	Date: August 30, 2003 @ 5:15 AM I've listened to every kind of music there is (well, at least I think so), and I'll give anything a chance if I've never heard it, but at this point I can decide whether I like something or not pretty quickly... You didn't mean the denial of a genre's existence, did you? That's kind of absurd, like denying that the fist exists when it's drilling into your skull. If you mean adopting the tag a certain style or up and coming original concept entails, yes, I'll call it grunge or emo, because I'm not pig headed and it's faster when people know what I'm talking about.
Etheracide	Date: August 30, 2003 @ 1:15 PM I honestly try to listen to everything possible. Within every genre I find songs that I like. I am usually not too keen on gangster rap, most rap, hip hop, country, etc... And it isn't that I think that they are bad, they just don't appeal to me in that I can't really relate to it. Out of that list that I actually aknowledged country would probably do the most for me because there is often some quite good guitar work and some good vocal melodies. Of course there are goups/bands/artists even within my favorite genres that I am not into. It depends on what they might be saying in their lyrics or that they aren't interesting to me. It isn't wether they are GOOD or BAD as artists. I can hear a rapper and say that he/she's a good rapper and still not really enjoy/like their work. Again...there are some incredible guitar soloists out there who do amazing work...but for some reason they don't hold my attention. It's hard to believe given my love of guitar...but there is a point in which it becomes too much. And I know that Ronnie knows what I mean. A soloist could try to pull out too much stuff and it breaks from the context of the rest of the song and when you hear it, it just doesn't feel right. And of course..I am all about the feelings in music. Those are just my cents. Take 'em for what they are worth
DetroitJimmy	Date: September 4, 2003 @ 4:52 AM i like gangtar wap id may me wonta kil da bitch not bein my dog ho and whiteee 2 idall yo faut shiii ge a white bitch sho yaa who baa mufu and I like symphonies,metal, (not metallica)but mtv is my fav. I get a wide variety of both songs played over and over again or is it three songs. Watching Clinton playing sax was kinda cool. classical,spanish guitar mmmmmm,piano Phinominas, female harp players, live anything, artificial gotta be in the mood, Frank ,Elvis ,Beattles ,M&M The reformers and refiners of black music, every twenty thirty years a white dude gets it right and does a nice job so the rest of us can understand.
DetroitJimmy	Date: September 4, 2003 @ 4:59 AM Plain or Peanut don't try to spell it for me.E____m
davidcooper	Date: September 7, 2003 @ 10:39 AM Emo.. screamo... or whatever the hell it is. You know where the singers try to scream but they can't even do that, they sound really high pitched and stupid, like they really badly need to fire a missle in the toilet.
AgentA	Date: September 8, 2003 @ 3:46 PM However, I believe it has the potential to resonate with all kinds of people, that it reaches deep and speaks of something common to a lot of people. Something that can't be verbalized, but felt nonetheless. But I suppose one could use my own argument against me and say that they can't get past the "noise" and that they feel alienated. But here I would suggest that the fault lies with the listener rather than the with artist. For example, I can't stand Opera. But I have to admit it does attempt to have a wide appeal and speak of something universal to us all. With Opera, I'll admit it's my fault that I can't tolerate it. If anyone's interested, I have a few radio shows archived and ready for streaming without commercials or registration forms. Just over ten hours of various artists and various genres. http://www31.brinkster.com/headtones/ If after listening, you think I would dig your music, send me an email and I'd be glad to check it out. Power On! " id="61712">Trance, Emo, and Gangsta Rap and Metal with the fake low growl vocals are all aiming for a specific audience and lack having any appeal to a wider audience enjoyed by other musics. Each of these are of their own insulated sub-cultures and tend to alienate those not of their sub-culture. So yes, I ignore these whenever possible. If I see the genre label for any of these musics, I say thanks for the warning. I think I'm more open minded than the average listener and will check out all kinds of genres. If I like something it's usually because it speaks of something common to us all. Rather than alienate me, it engages me. I think you can find something like that in all kinds of music, all around the world. But not in trance, emo or gansta rap. In Trance, I can't get past the relentless boom boom boom boom kick. In Emo, I can't get past the whiny vocals. In Gangsta Rap, I can't get past the sociopathic rant. Remove these attributes and I might like the stuff though. This is not to say that I don't like music that doesn't have a wide appeal. A lot of the music I like, makes most people I know cringe. For example, a noise sculpture like Kevin Drumm's "Sheer Hellish Miasma" has no appeal to any one I know. However, I believe it has the potential to resonate with all kinds of people, that it reaches deep and speaks of something common to a lot of people. Something that can't be verbalized, but felt nonetheless. But I suppose one could use my own argument against me and say that they can't get past the "noise" and that they feel alienated. But here I would suggest that the fault lies with the listener rather than the with artist. For example, I can't stand Opera. But I have to admit it does attempt to have a wide appeal and speak of something universal to us all. With Opera, I'll admit it's my fault that I can't tolerate it. If anyone's interested, I have a few radio shows archived and ready for streaming without commercials or registration forms. Just over ten hours of various artists and various genres. http://www31.brinkster.com/headtones/ If after listening, you think I would dig your music, send me an email and I'd be glad to check it out. Power On!

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