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Punk...Is It Dead?

blubat	Date: March 4, 2004 @ 4:01 PM I have tried to figure this question out many times over...but its seem its somewhat of a paradox...Punk is currently bigger then ever...doesnt that mean its dead? arggg someone help me out with this...post your comments...
misslaura	Date: March 4, 2004 @ 5:05 PM i don't consider any of the music that is big today punk. but, punk isn't dead but it's in a coma
Cryxan	Date: March 4, 2004 @ 5:36 PM Its definition has changed, and the music/image has evolved and hit maintstream... so I guess if you're a purist and don't like the new sound/look, it's dead. If you're still into the current punk, then it isn't dead... Just a matter of opinion, I would think.
pog	Date: March 4, 2004 @ 5:41 PM yah... there's new skool punk and old skool punk... old skool punk is pretty much dead, but thats not gonna stop me listening to my dead kennedy's. Screw that.
sinai	Date: March 4, 2004 @ 8:52 PM punk as a genre, or punk as an attitude?
starseven	Date: March 4, 2004 @ 8:54 PM Not yet.. but we;re workign on it.....hopfulyl it shoudl be dead any day now
TameasDust	Date: March 4, 2004 @ 11:29 PM old punk ... new punk ... semi punk ... non punk ... rabid punk ... rabbi punk ... aaaaaahhhhhhh
blubat	Date: March 5, 2004 @ 7:53 AM i think punk as a genre has split...or at least thats what it seems into the sugar coated version it is today...but yet i still think old punk lingers...descendents come to my mind...coming out with a cd this spring...i dont know it seems like the new punk revolution (if you can cal it punk) is overshadowing and maybe helping if not strengthing the old punk? let me know what you think
kredd	Date: March 5, 2004 @ 10:24 AM hmmmm...mainstream punk, no such thing. avril lavigne and good charlotte are not punk, you got a bunch of bands that may be INFLUENCED by punk or dress like it, but that doesn't make them punk even though though they think it gives them cred. it makes me sick to see some dude hold up tattooed knuckles in a SIMPLE PLAN video that say "hard" on one hand and "core" on the other. its just marketing and hype. new school punk? i like to call it new school crap. RANCID, who is old school, is even singing love songs now with kelly osbourne in their videos. the death of punk has been televised...
blubat	Date: March 5, 2004 @ 11:36 AM rancid blows now but it doesnt reflect the death..consider tim armstrong...he still runs hellcat records...quite possibly the only label in punk now not going mainstream...there is mainstream...something like rise against on dreamworks records...they are mainstream techinally on a big label but produce songs and a sound nothing like the mainstream...some will say afi also on dreamworks...but they fall into the pop like status...i consider mainstream to be something like nofx...still punk...but mainstream...everyone knows them...its hard to understand what labels are trying to d though...i.e epitaph...they continue to sign band after band...some mianstream and some so undoubtebly hardcore...that you can only ask yourself what is brett gurewitz thnking when he sgns all these bands...anyways thats my rant i can try to clarify it later
figfarmer	Date: March 5, 2004 @ 11:41 AM I think I'm forever punk, birth to death. Either that or a biker m ouse from Mars.
kredd	Date: March 5, 2004 @ 5:12 PM its all cyclacle, doin the bulldance, i have no problem with punk being popular, more power to em', but its just the whole label cashing in on it deal that pisses me off...its not about the music anymore. i'm not really that big a fan of punk, though nofx rocks and i did buy the new afi cd, its just the principalities involved yo
torndownunit	Date: March 5, 2004 @ 11:17 PM I have a shirt that says "Punks' not dead...it just sucks now".
blubat	Date: March 5, 2004 @ 11:18 PM hahaha yeah ive seen those around...in some cases it couldnt be more true
sinai	Date: March 6, 2004 @ 7:02 AM the anarchy sign on the front of it is cool though
Krissco	Date: March 6, 2004 @ 7:06 AM Old school punk like the Circle Jerks, Sex pistols, Buzzcocks, & Minor Threat. Those bands Ruled!!!
sinai	Date: March 6, 2004 @ 7:06 AM the sex pistols were punks backstreet boys
Krissco	Date: March 6, 2004 @ 7:11 AM They still had some cool tunes though, come on. Johnny Rottens attitude & snotty voice thats punk rock dude. "God Save The Queen" is a classic.
torndownunit	Date: March 6, 2004 @ 7:53 PM "the anarchy sign on the front of it is cool though I don't know if that is in reference to my shirt, but I wouldn't be caught dead with anything with an anarchy sign on it. My shirt doesn't have it. I have always been into the more rock n' roll side of punk. Or stuff that was punk before punk was punk (?). New York Dolls, Devil Dogs, Supersuckers, Tight Bros From Way Back When, Social Distortion. Luckily this type of music is still going pretty strong in the 'underground'. If a band like Supersuckers roll into town, they will pack a venue and it will be a party and a half.
sinai	Date: March 6, 2004 @ 8:34 PM 1952...Elvis Presley, more punk than any before or since
nvoise	Date: March 6, 2004 @ 11:32 PM i saw suicidal tendencies at the phoenix in petaluma a year or two ago. they seemed quite lively...
blubat	Date: March 7, 2004 @ 2:08 PM minor threat is probably one of the best punk bnds ever...as well as the descendents
Krissco	Date: March 7, 2004 @ 6:07 PM The decendants, Suicidal, The Minute Men We used to love to skate to those songs back in the day.
YaBoyDrew	Date: March 12, 2004 @ 3:56 PM if its not it should be
xer0killa	Date: March 13, 2004 @ 7:16 PM its not dead its alive in the musical soundings of the feed!!!
Thaspian	Date: March 13, 2004 @ 7:24 PM If emo punk was dead, we wouldn't be losing much.
blubat	Date: March 13, 2004 @ 7:56 PM emo has its ups and down but most of the time the message is all wrong...lets all go kill ourselves over girls...riiight...depression is fun! yippee!
Intergalacti...	Date: March 14, 2004 @ 3:42 PM Punk isn't dead and its not in a coma its still around us everywhere. Every kid who rebels against their parents that is punk. Every person who spikes their hair up and wears pins in their noses it all originated from punk. Its just evolved
Cryxan	Date: March 14, 2004 @ 9:09 PM lmao @ blubat Yeah it's amazing how many of those "I'm depressed, the world doesn't understand me, I'm alone, I wanna die" songs are out there.
Thaspian	Date: March 14, 2004 @ 9:25 PM cough Evanescence cough
blubat	Date: March 15, 2004 @ 8:31 AM Evanescence lol! what crap, dashboard =shit what a baby, get over her, loser.
SPSMag	Date: March 23, 2004 @ 11:11 AM lmao I agree with Blubat. Evanescence is shit, and so is dashboard confessionals, something corporate, good charolett and all that other shit. Even AFI sucks now. I dont even consider "punk music" as "punk" anymore. I have found very few bands out there that actually play punk music. Is punk dead? No. I think that good music lives forever. I think NOFX is a great example of real punk. Sure, everyone knows who they are and they're pretty popular these days, but they havent sold out. They dont even do interviews anymore because of people miss-quoting them. They stand by what they believe and that dont back down. Bands like that will stand the test of time. Like the Ramones.
blubat	Date: March 23, 2004 @ 12:31 PM Nofx has been together for now 21 years...thats damn impressive...and suffered like 2 line up changes...one of their singers died..the other one busted his face up hugely...and then they added Hefe...who was added in like 89' hats still 15 years ago...pretty damn impressive to say the least...they rule. they are popular...but still they rule...good song to show they are true punk is the seperation of churchand skate.
kingo	Date: March 23, 2004 @ 1:10 PM BluBat: (in response to something you posted a week or so ago,) Depression IS fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Damn you happy people. Christ. I'm gonna go kill myself now. With a tweezer.
sinai	Date: March 23, 2004 @ 4:01 PM 1952...Elvis Presley, more punk than any before or since just in case you missed it the first time
ThePilgrim	Date: March 23, 2004 @ 6:05 PM Punks not dead it just deserves to die... er wait no it doesnt... damn...
ThePilgrim	Date: March 23, 2004 @ 6:07 PM hey guys im not spamming, though the words below are cut and pasted, i think on the subject of punk you might be interested to see what im working on.... Check out the teaser trailer for a punk/goth indie film currently in pre-production called "Nobody Special" at http://www.enexes.com/dystopianpictures/movie1.swf Please pass this message along to your own boards and friends to get the hit-count on the trailer higher so we can show the investors their IS an interest in "smart" films. All that's left is to shoot the film ... then let you enjoy it! contact me for further information, or interest in getting involved, or feedback, or whatever...
ThePilgrim	Date: March 23, 2004 @ 6:19 PM hey guys im not spamming, though the words below are cut and pasted, i think on the subject of punk you might be interested to see what im working on.... Check out the teaser trailer for a punk/goth indie film currently in pre-production called "Nobody Special" at http://www.enexes.com/dystopianpictures/movie1.swf Please pass this message along to your own boards and friends to get the hit-count on the trailer higher so we can show the investors their IS an interest in "smart" films. All that's left is to shoot the film ... then let you enjoy it! contact me for further information, or interest in getting involved, or feedback, or whatever...
ThePilgrim	Date: March 23, 2004 @ 6:29 PM hey guys im not spamming, though the words below are cut and pasted, i think on the subject of punk you might be interested to see what im working on.... Check out the teaser trailer for a punk/goth indie film currently in pre-production called "Nobody Special" at http://www.enexes.com/dystopianpictures/movie1.swf Please pass this message along to your own boards and friends to get the hit-count on the trailer higher so we can show the investors their IS an interest in "smart" films. All that's left is to shoot the film ... then let you enjoy it! contact me for further information, or interest in getting involved, or feedback, or whatever...
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sqrlcub	Date: March 24, 2004 @ 4:42 PM "the anarchy sign on the front of it is cool though" I really love how a lot of those anarchy shirts have a little trademark symbol ever so slightly at the top. It really defeats the purpose. Wasn't punk originally marketed as some of the biggest anti-corporate music around out there? I would think the inclusion of punk in a corporate atmoshpere (aka punk being consumed by the RIAA) would really kill it. Or at least clean it up and make it sound like Brittany but with a fake edge. That's it, Punk's not dead, it just got a face lift, a boob job, and married to some presentable whino for 55 hours.
sinai	Date: March 24, 2004 @ 4:59 PM what?!? making money isn't punk?!?
draugluin	Date: March 24, 2004 @ 5:07 PM hmm...to tell you the truth i think punk is very much alive an kicking I suppose. I'm a big fan of mxpx, flogging molly, story of the year, a new found glory, goldfinger (more ska) and alot of others. Sure i'll listen to simple plan, and good charlotte, why? Cause they're music has a punk sound to it, and why not, it probably is punk. After all, people say Nirvana is what brought punk back from the grave, and to tell you the truth, that sounds more alternative than anything. But anyways, you peeps can say all you want about bands you hear on the radio, the difference between mainstream and underground is one band wanted to hit it big, and actually make money doing what they love to do, the other just wanted keep their everyday jobs, play their music in underground concerts, and never really sell their music, but if you haven't noticed, you can walk into your local music store, and easily pick up any punk band's CD you name off. So in all reality, all punk music is mainstream, just some is listened to more than others. punk isn't strictly about anarchy, it isn't being anti this, anti-that, it isn't being depressed, and love sick. It's about putting what you are really feeling into a song, the way your voice sounds doesn't matter, cause face it, half the punk singers you listen too, would last about 5 seconds on american idol. It's also about Not conforming to a society where everything is bland, and nothing ever changes. The Punk Genre and Attitude is just a way out of conforming to the mindless zombie we call society.
blubat	Date: March 24, 2004 @ 8:41 PM im sorry but i disagree with about half your comments... for one...goldfinger is not ska...there old sutff was but now they sold out...story of the year (although i listen to them ) is the perfect example of the new generation of screamo built of bands like thrice...new found glory sucks...(IMO) simple plan and good charlotte are the two biggest jokes in punk history...its not punk its pop...not even pop punk its just plain pop...i think pop punk only applies to bands that went pop after being punk...cause they still get respect...simple plan is the most disgusting excuse for a band (way worse then charlotte) if you ever see them live youll know why...they suck! anyways thats the NIRVANA definetly did not birng back punk punkwas never gone when nirvana was around some of the bes tpunk was being made at that time assumin we are taking around 88-93...this was when some of the best punk was around the descendents were making good music some of the best nofx stuff was being produced...rancid came kicking around...i can go on and on and on...punk did not need nirvana...although nirvana is legendary and rule...they did not help punk. PUNK IS NOT ABOUT MAKING MONEY...most punk band people dont have jobs! they live on the streets...or have tough lives...some of them do and heres an example to prove your theory wrong..you say punk bands dont go mainstream because they dont want to leave their jobs...well milo...the lead singer of the descendents...left the band to go to college...and pursue his biochemist degree...he has a job and now...hes back with the band 10 years later...so i dont think that matters...the reason bands donrt sell their sutff and dont want to be known is cause they dont giv e asiht..they want punk to stay the way it was...they want to play for shows were its small intense, people actually mosh and they dont have to have all this bullshit security...they want it to be real....honest...and fucking intense. why do you thin punk bands sitll make vynil records...is it to make more money...NO ITS TO KEEP IN TOUCH WITH THE ODL KEEP THAT DIRTY, REAL, HARSH, SOUND! THAT THEY LIVE WITH THATS WHAT PUNK IS ABOUT! KEEPING IT FUCKING REAL ENOUGH WITH THIS RECORDED PITCH PERFECT VOICE! you want an example...nofx...they are a mainstream band go listen to the record...or cd called surfer...it is first take songs...or strasight recordings...none of this tweaking...none of this 2 months studiot time just lets go lets do this this is real this is us. BTW...i dont know if you actually buy REAL PUNK CDS...but you cant find them anywhere you can find mainstream stuff (story of the year, new found glory, nofx, rancid) but try finding bands like lets say...against me! (they recently got signed to fat so might be easier now) The killing tree, The locust ( the 2 i found were in independently owned used shops) thought riot, or strike anywhere...whatever the point is i pay 27$ for any cd i can actually find (canadian to clarify) that tells me one thing...GOOD CHARLOTTE SELLS for 13$ they are not punk...they are pop...pop cds sell for 13$ hell i bought a 4 song cd for 13$ hell i bought a 1 song nofx cd for 18$ BAH this is way too long...this is just my opinion...i dont mean to offend anyone in any way, this is just how i feel, peace out.
johnnygnote	Date: March 25, 2004 @ 1:00 AM Dead is it Punk
blubat	Date: March 25, 2004 @ 7:29 AM maybe?
kingo	Date: March 25, 2004 @ 8:34 AM Is it dead punk?
fighterpilot	Date: March 25, 2004 @ 10:32 AM depends if u mean punk101.....but if punk is defined by sumTHING like Good Charlotte, then i pray that punk IS really dead lol
MrFisk	Date: March 25, 2004 @ 11:54 AM Punk never dies.
MariMiniboss	Date: April 6, 2004 @ 5:47 PM I’m currently working on an essay on the music video for Evanescences ”Going Under” single. Thought my conclusion might be of some relevance here: ”To characterise the contents of the ”Going Under” music video as goth strongly depends on your references. Before the subculture became commonly known only a few people would’ve been able to define the clip as goth, even if they were aware the film was dark and full of vaguely disturbing elements both visually and lyrically. These days, on the contrary, it is easy for the mainstream to identify what they believe is characteristic to goth in Stölzl’s production. Goths on the other hand have more of a problem relating to the video. They see its goth features, but at the same time there are many goth rock traits they feel are lacking. As has been stated by a music rewiever, it is ’a very watered down type of goth that is being presented’, or like it is said on the forum of the hatelife website; ’Evanescence are to goth what Avril Lavigne is to punk’.” Anyway, I consider punk to be more or less deceased. What is going on is (in general) commercialism’s playing with the corpse. If only I had been born twenty years earlier! Still, I listen to Green Day (Dookie through Nimrod) and as of lately Sum 41 in addition to The Ramones and The Sex Pistols. It’s shallow punk, I know, but it’s all I’ve got. Anyone who can give me a tip on what other bands I should check out, preferably old skool? I’d be SOO grateful!
sinai	Date: April 6, 2004 @ 9:53 PM Minor Threat, the Adoloecents, Rancid, Misfits, L7, that should get you started
MisledMayhem	Date: April 7, 2004 @ 1:58 AM An awesome ska/punk band is Choking Victim, and their later band Leftover Crack if you wanna cover that side. Oi Polloi is a cool scottish band, umm, I like the Germs, CRASS! They're so weird but cool, and F-minus is cool, better than the Distillers are now(another girl singer). The Clash is an awesome band. Misled Mayehem....what?! Anyway, those are some other good bands to add towhat sinai1 wrote!
pog	Date: April 7, 2004 @ 2:46 AM I was just gonna link to misled mayhem.... propaghandi is arguably some of the best punk I've heard in the last 10 years.
blubat	Date: April 7, 2004 @ 7:30 AM PROPAGHANDI CANADIAN PUNKS!!!!! hahaa yeah they rule what sinai said sums up some very good band just not new rancid, old nofx is true punk down to te core...watch theyre early 80s videos playing for crowds of 10 people drunk in a park. just like everyone start out. misled mayhem said it all with Choking Victim and Leftover Crack...is there a better satanicskacore band? These guys seriously rule (check out crack rock steady, atheist anthem, and crack city rockers) other importantly good bands DESCENDENTS (new cd out like 1 month ago very good, so is theyre old 80s stuff as is all.) Black Flag - do i need to say anything Screeching Weasel - just amazing check it out Circle Jerks - classic punk and still kicking Strike Anywhere The Killing Tree (if you know rise against well the guitarist from rise gaainst Todd is in this band and they rule Hardcore Emo before i ever became big...amazing stuff) Fairweather U.K. Subs Samian Satanic Surfers Dropkick Murphy's ok if you really want more message me and i can go on and on forever. this is a good start though. p.s. Dont forget the BUZZCOCKS or The PIXIES
jeddak	Date: April 7, 2004 @ 9:37 AM The label has been recycled so many times since the time it was first used authentically (1970's) that it now has several meanings. Punk, to me, is fast, loud, hard rock that is sincere (as opposed to contrived), earnest, and has some kind of political or social message. There's also a grassroots, do-it-yourself ("DIY") ethic to punk that I don't think can be separated from the music. [And here's where I simultaneously veer off topic and provoke flamage...] by that definition, as long as the members of Fugazi are still active, punk is not dead [IMHO etc]. If you like punk (of whatever definition you care to choose) and you've never heard Fugazi, do yourself a favor and give 'em a listen. Words cannot describe. http://www.dischord.com/
pog	Date: April 7, 2004 @ 11:50 AM would the pixies be punk or alternative ??
starseven	Date: April 7, 2004 @ 4:55 PM Punk wont die as long as we still have blink 182..... after all they started the genre
MisledMayhem	Date: April 7, 2004 @ 8:44 PM Oh man Propagandhi is another one of my favorites! You guys are on the level! Thanks for thinking of linking to me, to bad some other jerk linked me already! ...wait lol But yes! I also do like the Dropkick Murphies, have you been to one of their shows Blubat? It's frekin awesome! I saw them in Portland with the Casualties and Agnostic Front, and some crappy screamo band they just had to throw in there....but man they kicked some guy in the nuts for jumping on stage during women's time aka Spicy McHaggis. It was rad lol If you like Leftover Crack, listen to "With the Sickness" oh man, my favorite.
jeddak	Date: April 8, 2004 @ 10:23 AM Blink 182...are they still together? And were they ever?
blubat	Date: April 8, 2004 @ 12:34 PM of course ive seen dropkick they are amazing live...barroom heroes is probably one of the best live songs ever. leftover crack makes be crap my pants ile: blink 182? starseven stop hating this thread...lol...check out a band xcalled the riptides they seem your style misled...they rule they are form ottawa and at the end of a big tour with the dwarves (pretty sick bandlive too) they smashed all their instruments in this tiny venue it was insane drum set and all...then they let us come on stage and smash stuff too...it was wicked...they rule...anyways riptides. check em out. anti-flag, good riddance, thought riot, the code and strike anywhere was the best 10$ concert ever/....insanity and of course the goldfinger shows where someone eats a twinkie out of darrins ass
KurtCobainJr	Date: April 8, 2004 @ 5:02 PM the old punk we know and love is dead i dont know about this crap about new school punk it sounds and feels like crap
KurtCobainJr	Date: April 8, 2004 @ 5:04 PM the old punk we know and love is dead i dont know about this crap about new school punk it sounds and feels like crap
KurtCobainJr	Date: April 8, 2004 @ 5:04 PM the old punk we know and love is dead i dont know about this crap about new school punk it sounds and feels like crap
MisledMayhem	Date: April 8, 2004 @ 10:42 PM wow, third time's a charm, street punk is awesome dude, i really don't like the nfg good charlet shizer but all that good old punk you think is dead is alive on the streets, the scene is alive, it's just way not popular, which makes punk what it is.
blubat	Date: April 19, 2004 @ 10:12 AM Heres a nice story about punk and posers. Haha The other day im buying the new descendents cd and i see leftover crack's cd mediocre generica or whatever its call something like that and its on sale for like 21.99 (iu bought it used for 7.99 american but its usually 26.99 canadian) And so i turn to my friend and say holy shit leftove crack for 22bucks what a deal! So then theres these 2 poser chicks eyeing me ( they were looking at blink and yellowcard and other such pop punk bands) and stuff cause im so damn sexy...cough cough. and anyways i move to the next section over andi hear the girl say i think ill get this one to her friend. I look to see what she selected. LEFTOVER CRACK. Her friends like ughhh are you sure with a disgusted look on her face. I burst out laughing and leave the store with ym descendents cd. Ohman it was classic. they were like 13. listening to leftover crack. someone is gonna get grounded. MAUHAHAHAHA it was funny i think she will be traumatized for life. I mean come on Scabies And Gentleman, coming at you from all the way inthe back of the food stamps line, and straight out of motherfcking low cash,that crack rock steady beat drums on, so raise your motherfcking pipes in the air for the good, the bad and the LEFTOVER CRACK. hat is the first thing she will here on that album. Oh boy have i corrupted a young soul. MUAHAHAHAHHAHA thats my story i like it
mikerumpet	Date: April 19, 2004 @ 10:25 AM punk rlz, avrl lavhinge is my favorute, her musics is ravashingly resplendent with beautious and lush soundscapes, a most grand and palatable cherub descended from the heavens themselves. i fink she iz gr8!!
mikerumpet	Date: April 19, 2004 @ 10:28 AM o no! i spelt "Beauteous" wrng! LOL i have england exam 2! LOL
mikerumpet	Date: April 19, 2004 @ 10:36 AM good charlotte rlz 2, benji iz my favorute! i luv they're brand of colossal refrains that wrench a cleft in my crestfallen heart. the voculs are gd 2, like a fervent and congenial birdsong at eventide
sqrlcub	Date: April 19, 2004 @ 11:34 AM If you want some of the oldest punk out there, you can try the Damned. Their singer has quite an interesting vocal quality. If memory serves me, I believe they predated the Sex Pistols and the Ramones as a punk band that actually made a decent living off their music. Their songs are more mainstream sounding than the later punk bands but the spirit still floats around there somewhere. I would suggest listening to "Nasty" if you can find it and then work your way around to some of their other songs.
Intergalacti...	Date: April 23, 2004 @ 11:25 AM As I said before Punk isn't dead its just evolved. Ok Punk isn't much what it used to be this is easily seen because punk has evolved into bands like Funeral for a Friend and punk was originally bands like The Clash etc or if you want to go even further back The Who were considered punk a little, Roger Daltrey was called the Grandfather of punk. Punk is different at every generation we've had 'pop-punk' like Blink 182 to state an obvious one and nowadays they've gone slightly more emo. That isnt because they've sold out they've evolved. Then yout alk about NOFX they havent changed or evolved good for them they are a breed that havent died. Dinasours couldnt evolve and they died out. Aligators didnt evolve and they're still hangin round. I know thats a bit of a crappy way of putting it but its just evolving. And if somethin is mainstream don't be afraid of listenin to it. They just have the kind of promoter who are desperate for money.
jeddak	Date: April 23, 2004 @ 1:42 PM A: No, it just smells funny. (sorry, it had to be said)
blubat	Date: April 23, 2004 @ 1:54 PM hmm interesting response come to think about a mosh pit does smell funny so does my clpothes and so do i...hmm interesting maybe i need a shower ... get the song shower days by nofx those dreaded wednesday and saturdays also known as shower days...i hate them.
Technicolour	Date: April 24, 2004 @ 11:05 PM Punk is about as dead as electronic music. You can find punk, you just gotta know where to look. The bowery ballroom in NYC hosts a lot of punk shows, and they totally kick ass.
BobaFlex	Date: May 3, 2004 @ 7:40 AM why does everyone ask this . music doesnt die , it evolves ...
noimportante	Date: May 3, 2004 @ 11:17 AM Bad Religon takes the cake on LIVE punk... Ya their old no, but they kick the shit out of most other punk bands...
blubat	Date: May 3, 2004 @ 12:47 PM i never really liked bad religion although i highly respect them and especially brett gurewitz. I think it was always something about 3 electric guitars i always found it a strain on my ears. mind you tere are some really good songs, im not really a fan of bad religion. Now that said if anyone hasnt heard brettu gurewitz side project ERROR please go listen to them now if you all think punk as evovled well this is the answer...this and refused. Teach your children to listen to refused they are the revolution of punk music! Listen to error for free on Epitaph.com and refused canbe found there as well. And no importante i must say old punkers rule. (nofx, descendents, bad religion, circle jerks) they all kick ass
Thaspian	Date: May 3, 2004 @ 3:32 PM Thrice.
blubat	Date: May 3, 2004 @ 3:40 PM Yes.
Intergalacti...	Date: May 4, 2004 @ 4:01 PM I've never really got into thrice they're talented enough but they like had it to easy its like Busted they just appeared from nowhere and became the hottest thing around. The only difference is Thrice actual;ly play they're instruments
blubat	Date: May 4, 2004 @ 4:06 PM and they rule...if you actually cmopare theyre music form when they were unknown to now its actually quite similar...of course theyre old stuff is slightly better, the artist in the ambulance is by far nothing near a sellout album...the think is that kind of music came into style just at the right time for them same with bands like alexisonfire and silverstein and rise against (now on dreamworks records) its getting big and for some bands its an oppurtunity to convey some messages to the masses. at least i hope thats what rise against is trying to do lol. If only they were still on FAT. which reminds anyone who knows anything about rise against can you plkease tell me wtf happened to their old guitarist dan aka mr. precision and when exactly he was replaced with todd rundgren from The killing tree? i dont expect anyone to know this but if you do please tell me
MariMiniboss	Date: May 6, 2004 @ 8:34 AM How 'bout just making a list of criterions for a band to be punk? Seems like a much more certain way to decide wether the genre is still alive than just judging by feeling (although feeling undeniably is important). For example: 1. The band has to consist of a bass-player, a guitarist, a drummer and a vocalist (one bandmember can have two roles) 2. The music has to be fastpaced 3. There has to be a rebel attitude to the lyrics 4. The vocalist cannot be a good singer 5. No digital mastering 6. Small record companies 7. No promo on MTV And so on...
Gmonk	Date: May 6, 2004 @ 9:12 AM Punk isn't about music.. Its all about attitude! G
figfarmer	Date: May 6, 2004 @ 9:48 AM Punk has always been around. Punk is an attitude, not a kind of music or a hairdo that makes you look like one of your parents was a parrot. Some people say I've always been a punk. Others say I'm a biker m ouse from Mars. I say, "Who gives a steaming turd. Pass the beer." People think some of my music is punk. Me? I don't care. I remember back in the early eighties in Toronto going to see a "must see" punk band called Direct Access. They played Johnny Cash's Folsom Prison Blues, then the lead guitarist was trying to play his guitar with an ice pick and poked a major blood vessel in his leg. By the time the ambulance arrived there were about 5 of us left in the bar. I guess that was my major mainstream punk experience.
blubat	Date: May 6, 2004 @ 10:20 AM well i must say for one there are good punk bands on big labels...rise against...for one. Two. If youve noticed the 2 main players in the punk record industry Fat Wreck and Epitaph...shoudl probably now be considered big labels...especially the latter. Not only that both of them have offshoot record labels Fat Wreck has Honest Don's, Pink and Black, AF Records. Epitaph has HellCat, Burning Heart, and probably some more i dont knwo about. ANyways ia gree punk is an attitude...there are tons of people out there who dress more punk then me...and shit like that but when it comes down to it as against me! says in their song Baby Im an Anarchist "But when it came time to throw bricks Through that Starbucks window, You left me all alone." Not only that some punk bands actually have good singers...like umm...let me see here... ok maybe not and ok here it is although i use it all the time FUCK CLASSIFICATION its just punk.
Traf	Date: May 11, 2004 @ 6:28 PM Well Nick (Topper) Headon the drummer from Clash lives over the road from me and he looks dead....
MariMiniboss	Date: May 25, 2004 @ 6:26 AM Well, anyways, thanks a lot for suggesting what bands to check out! I've now bought NOFX "The War on Errorism" and The Clash "Essentials" and I'll be getting some Minor Threat, Black Flag and Screeching Weasel next. This is gonna be one GREAT summer
Intergalacti...	Date: May 25, 2004 @ 11:43 AM Bad Religion do take the cake but just cos a band is old doesnt mean that they dont have a chance anymore a lot of my fafvourite bands are old. And I've seen most of them live and most of them were still runnin about the stage like they were 18 years old.
vucky	Date: May 25, 2004 @ 12:26 PM I never listen to punk almost 2 years now
100thmonk	Date: May 27, 2004 @ 1:04 AM if you want to get an idea of what it's about and whether or not it's dead, you need to dig into it's roots. i will try not to list anything too recent. and i'll just be honest about what i know i and others i knew listened to. some of this stuff, i had a hard time listening to but it was part of the scene. the films of Kennth Anger MC5 Pink Fairies Hawkwind Ramones the Slits Stiff Little Fingers Wendy o Williams Sex Pistols Flipper(san fran legends) Black Flag MDC Asexuals Toy Dolls Misfits Porcelain Forehead Youth Youth Youth BGK Genetic Control Gism Articles of Faith 7 Seconds Jodie Foster's Army Big Black Pussy Galore Bad Brains Fang Minor Threat S.O.A. Rites of Spring D.O.A. Subhumans(Canada) Subhumans(uk) Artless Direct Action{Canada} gg allin and with that last entry, i will note, that punk, as has been pointed out above, is an attitude that's been around and will be around, in different forms constantly testing our sense of musical boundaries. sometimes it has a different appeal than just what it sounds like. not all of this music is for everyone. especially the musically sensitive. i'll always find some time for the old records...
bastardo23	Date: May 27, 2004 @ 10:57 AM damn that is an obnoxious list
jessemills	Date: May 27, 2004 @ 9:38 PM Punk's not dead. You can buy it at Hot Topic for $14.95.
sinai	Date: May 27, 2004 @ 10:07 PM Patti fuckin Smith now thats punk
100thmonk	Date: May 27, 2004 @ 10:52 PM yes
Deadlock	Date: May 28, 2004 @ 5:00 AM who cares, punk is stupid music. punk and rap are like the same both = to be non musical yet some people actual think that it is. Punk SUX
kingo	Date: May 28, 2004 @ 7:54 AM Punk, with a hole in it Now THAT'S punk. Actually it's poop. But close enough.
bastardo23	Date: May 28, 2004 @ 10:29 AM okay, since deadlock knows what music is i think we should all just go home and give up. what we like sux so we may as well just roll over and die.. hey maybe i oughtta just shoot myself, that's pretty musical. oh no wait, what do you think deadlock, would that be construed as music? you seem to be the resident expert on what is music. can you help.
Intergalacti...	Date: May 28, 2004 @ 12:21 PM Deadlock thats an opinon get over yourself see what other people think. Most punk bands are talented enough for once I'm really agreeing with bastardo on this that was one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.
MisledMayhem	Date: May 28, 2004 @ 7:37 PM You can't buy punk at hot topic, you can buy worthless junk, punk comes from right here.....I'm pointing to my heart dammnit can't you TELL!?!?!?!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH You don't need a fancy belt, some patches and some good charlet pins to be punk, in fact that's not it at all. It's alive, not in buying crap, but in all the kids who want to listen to fast loud music, get up, punch some guy in a mosh pit, and jump on stage and stand right next to your favorite band, not being knocked down by security, just jumping off and feeling happy. But if you're not feelin the urge to listen to fast, loud, yelling music, than fine, don't listen to punk, it doesn't like you either.
Deadlock	Date: May 29, 2004 @ 6:54 AM thats ok intergalactic, most everything you say on here is pretty stupid, you must be from england. Wanker Bastardo, yeah you shoting yourself would be great music, be a nice added backing track to my next song dumbass.
Intergalacti...	Date: May 29, 2004 @ 8:56 AM No I'm welsh tahnk yuo very much and damn proud of it. All i'm sayin is punk obviously isnt crap if its sellin probably more than any other genre of music at this moment in the UK and America
Deadlock	Date: May 29, 2004 @ 7:16 PM oh no,it's not selling more in america, guess again, it's not even close. bottom line is, to do punk just go buy a piece of crap guitar and the crappiest amp you can find and that will produce the punk sound, which is what they are all doing, so crappy instruments, played by crappy guys with crappy haircuts= to CRAPPY MUSIC. HAHHAA \m/
sinai	Date: May 29, 2004 @ 10:59 PM you people argue too fucking much
dicktruth	Date: May 30, 2004 @ 5:29 AM Deadlock man, I know people like you. The narrow-minded people, the kind of person that will actually hate a band or style of music just because you think it makes you look hardcore or whatever. The fact that you just called two huge genres of music un-musical or whatever is fucking pathetic. And I checked out your band. What the fuck like, that talking at the start, what's the point of that? Is that emotional? How about some sort of meaning in your songs? How about a melody, or some lyrics to make out, or something other than white noise? "I am metal, therefore I am better than you"

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