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Deadlock	Date: May 29, 2004 @ 7:16 PM oh no,it's not selling more in america, guess again, it's not even close. bottom line is, to do punk just go buy a piece of crap guitar and the crappiest amp you can find and that will produce the punk sound, which is what they are all doing, so crappy instruments, played by crappy guys with crappy haircuts= to CRAPPY MUSIC. HAHHAA \m/
sinai	Date: May 29, 2004 @ 10:59 PM you people argue too fucking much
dicktruth	Date: May 30, 2004 @ 5:29 AM Deadlock man, I know people like you. The narrow-minded people, the kind of person that will actually hate a band or style of music just because you think it makes you look hardcore or whatever. The fact that you just called two huge genres of music un-musical or whatever is fucking pathetic. And I checked out your band. What the fuck like, that talking at the start, what's the point of that? Is that emotional? How about some sort of meaning in your songs? How about a melody, or some lyrics to make out, or something other than white noise? "I am metal, therefore I am better than you"
jessemills	Date: May 30, 2004 @ 6:51 AM splintergalactic- just because it sells more its not crap? (and by the way, I love punk) That's retarded. by that logic N*SYNC must be one of the greatest bands of all time. and the music on here, because its all free and most of us don't make a penny, that must mean we ALL SUCK! pfft.
Deadlock	Date: May 30, 2004 @ 8:21 AM Dicktruth, good name for such a dick, your such a dumbass, you don't even know what the fuck your talking about, yeah our music is so white noise and has no meaning and is no good that's why we have a record deal and you don't PUNK, now GO AWAY TROLL
clay-jar	Date: May 30, 2004 @ 8:35 AM that is funny. i don't listen to rap because i feel it's not music either, why? well let me ask you this, how many rap groups actually play instruments. rap sounds like total crap live too, all it is is some dj playing a record that was recorded in a studio and a wanna be singer or two who can't sing so they speak poems, i agree with Deadlock, rap is not musical. it is a rip off. and if you think that it is then your just a moron who is to stupid to realize the difference between a "MUSICIAN" and "Poem reader" now i'm not going to argue the point, this is the truth, if you can't accept that then that's your problem and not mine.
dicktruth	Date: May 30, 2004 @ 11:46 AM "GO AWAY TROLL" haha, is that a metal insult? Seriously mate, you're limiting your band and yourself as a person if you put down things in the way you are. At the end of the say it's all about unity, and thanks to your attitude your band is never going to get anywhere, and rightly so.
dicktruth	Date: May 30, 2004 @ 11:53 AM "now i'm not going to argue the point, this is the truth" Again, another bullshit point. I'm not a fan of hip-hop as it were, but I am a fan of bands who play rap and hip-hop like Sublime and 28 Days. They play their own instruments, work really good melodies and get some really good grooves going. I'm guessing there are quite a few rap groups in the world who play their own instrument. Just because the mainstream ones (who I'm guessing are the only ones you've heard) are a bit naff, that's no reason to put down the millions of people who play this music. Maybe if you stopped being so fucking pig-ignorant and went looking for some good rap bands you'd change your mind. But until you do, don't start putting down artists and bands from a genre you've never heard because it makes you look like a twat.
Intergalacti...	Date: May 30, 2004 @ 11:57 AM OK jesse you got a good point there you proved me wrong with that but none the less you cannot say punk is crap. And the same goes for rap ok the guys dont play instruments a lot of singers dont play instruments. The fact of the matter is different people ahve different cultures and different opinions. Now Deadlock you guys can play, and I know that dicktruth can play adn they are a punk band. Deadlock I wouldnt brag too much about your signin. They just happen to lucky people who happen to be at the right place at the right time. I'm not sayin your not good but it could have been anyone he signed, it was just your managers opinion over another band probably. By the way if you've got a record deal how come all your tracks are badly produced, nothin personal its just I thought they would have been better quality cos you got a lot of background noise there. So just quit your petty arguin cos theres no point for it really both types of music are talented its just different people have different (and in this case) more stubborn opiions.
Deadlock	Date: May 30, 2004 @ 3:11 PM we have already gotten further than you have or ever will dicktruth, yeah your music sux major ass. You look like fucking richie cunningham from happy days fag.
Deadlock	Date: May 30, 2004 @ 3:44 PM GOD, WHAT THE HELL? DICKTRUTH, you guys sound like total shit live, i mean your drummer can't keep time, backing vocals are off key, main vocals are off key and sounds like a fucking strangled pig squealing, your guitar player needs some serious lessons, and it sounded like there was only about 2 people whereever you was playing i could only hear a couple of people in the background, was that your mommies? what's the song about anyway, it didn't amke any sense at all, sounded like some kind of a highschool little boys who got caught wearing panties in gym class and buttfucking each other in the shower. GOD THAT HAS GOT TO BE THE WORSE MUSIC EVER RECORDED, YOU JUST SURPASSED CREED, NICKLEBACK AND PUDDLE OF MUDD, THESE BANDS SHOULD THANK YOU FOR NOW YOU HOLD THE WORLDS WORSE SHIT FOR EARS EVER PLAYED! WHAT THE FUCK, GOD THAT WAS AWLFUL. HOLD ON I MUST NOW GO AND PUKE. AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHH... Gotta hand it to you though Richie Cunningham cross between an Opie Taylor, it takes guts to actually think that recording that shit and then posting it was a good ideal. eeeeeeeeeh hey but don't worry, if VH1 ever has a, "The worse pussie bands in history" you'll prolly be number one on there. now fuckoff, your music stinks, you look like a little richie cunningham that's about to cry on his mommies apron strings. now go the fuck away!
Intergalacti...	Date: May 30, 2004 @ 4:11 PM First of all thats not his photo, and we get that your takin the piss of how it looks you dont need to say it what 50 times christ. Thats some guys photo that we know and we take the piss of all the time thats th only reason that photo is there. And it isnt bad at all christ you dont enjoy it but I know every single member of that band and they are more talented than most people I know and form what I've heard of Deadlock they're musch better musicians. Granted I've never heard you talk about much musicianship because your always runnin your mouth everywhere, but still they know way7 more about everythin in the music business than you ever will. Ok the recording isnt brilliant but thats because its a live show you might not have ever played one because its what bands do when they get respect. I thought the first time I spoke to you that yuo were a total wnaker, then I thought na it might just be a one off give him a chance so I listened to your music which isnt bad but christ have you no tact man. Grow up will you, you look about 20 you act about 2. Oh mammy pick up my rattle I threw it out of my cot for the fiftieth time.
Deadlock	Date: May 30, 2004 @ 5:05 PM you know what Intergalatic, your a fucking dipshit. your so fucking stupid. Is every bottom that's welsh is as much of a dumbfuck as you and archie wanna be skapunk sounds like shit in a blender? GOD DAMN THE STUPID MOTHER FUCKER COMES ALONG AND AND STARTS SHIT AND JUST CAUSE I RESPOND TO THAT YOU HAVE TO ACT LIKE A YOUR HIS FUCKING BITCH GETTING YOUR PANTIES ALL IN A WAD. WHY DON'T YOU JUST STAY THE FUCK OUT OF THE CONVO SINCE YOU HAVE NOTHING TO ADD, LIKE I FUCKING CARE WHO YOU KNOW BIG WOOPTY DOOOO, HE IS STILL A FUCKING STUPIDASS PRICK WHO ACTS LIKE A TOTAL DICK JUST LIKE YOU DO. AND WHEN WE PLAY LIVE SHOWS WE SELLOUT THE SHOW AND PACK THE PLACES WE PLAY AT WITH KIDS WAITING OUTSIDE TRYING TO GET IN. WE PLAYED AT THE FUCKING MUSE IN NASHVILLE LAST MONTH BITCH A PLACE THAT SEATS 700 AND IT WAS FUCKING PACKED, SO FUCK YOU AND FUCK YOUR STUPID ASS FRIEND AND LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE. I DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOU OR WHAT YOU THINK YOUR OPINIONS DON'T MEAN SHIT SINCE THEY ARE ALWAYS SO STUPID. YOU THINK YOU KNOW SO MUCH. YOU THINK YOUR FRIEND KNOWS SO MUCH, IF THEY KNEW ANYTHING, THEY'D ATLEAST KNOW HOW TO PLAY FUCKING MUSIC ASSHOLE. FUCKOFF
Mike-Bowers	Date: May 30, 2004 @ 6:40 PM I'm still laughing at go away troll, but as for punk being crap, u tell a death metal drummer to play jazz, and he's fucked, you tell a jazz drummer to play death metal, and they'll do it. And jazz drumming is up there with punk drumming. skill vs speed, and I'll take skill anyday
Mike-Bowers	Date: May 30, 2004 @ 6:43 PM Oh, and crying about punk being crap doesnt keep up your metal image you stupid cunt. Go get a life and open your mind to something different, god if there was only a way to slap someone over the net....
dicktruth	Date: May 30, 2004 @ 6:48 PM A show for 700 people? Christ, I'm suprised you've got time to spend your day on the internet, what with all the girls fighting over your knob. Seriously though, I don't mind if anyone doesn't like the music my band plays. What I do mind is someone spamming his band name constantly over the internet, saying it's amazing, insulting millions upon millions of people and their music tastes, and then not being able to take the smallest bit of crap from one person. Seriously like, you can't expect to insult something that plays such a big part in my life (in this case, punk music) and expect me to just sit back and go "Yeah, that Deadlock guy is right. And his balls are huge".
Intergalacti...	Date: May 31, 2004 @ 7:05 AM OK Deadlock seriously stop cryin. You got a couple of punks makin you spazz out take a pill. First of all your gettin pissed off because you complaining about people arguin with you about punk. You came on a forum thread that basically says argue about punk so quit your belly aching faggot. And second of all no one asked you to come on here you startin this whole arguin thing because you were the one who took it so seriously no everyone is taking it seriously AGAINST YOU. You probably got kids waitin outside yeah just so you can fuck them bunch of kiddie fiddlers.
jackietan	Date: May 31, 2004 @ 7:21 AM Punk,Ska, Emo, Rap = LAMER music. I'll listen to anything but that. And if you don't like it, then screwoff cause i really don't care, yeah i listened to the stuff before, hated it, wasn't worth my time.
dicktruth	Date: May 31, 2004 @ 7:29 AM Fair enough, as long as you ain't putting it down without ever hearing it.
Intergalacti...	Date: May 31, 2004 @ 7:57 AM Yeah but a lot of people with rap arent listenin to it becuase they heard one guy do it and didn't like it theres loads of rappers out there that a superbly talented musicians we just dont hear about them bein musicians.
kenlinder	Date: May 31, 2004 @ 10:53 AM It seems a few people on this thread have forgotten that it is possible to be civil, even to someone with whom one disagrees. It is even possible to be "uncivil" without resorting to homophobic bigoted comments like this one (Deadlock : "You look like fucking richie cunningham from happy days fag") or calling people a "twat". Sounds like sombody forget to take their prozac / lithium / weed today. Mellow out. As for rap, I do not like the style, but as a performance it is more like "beat poetry" from the beatnick era. It varies a lot in quality and type, and some is really crappy (well I think a lot of it is really crappy myself)...but with some performers it has evolved and with others it has stayed in the days of a few guys saying fast crappy poetry while grabbing at their crotches and braging about their penis size and how crappy they treat women. Fortunately it has not all stayed that way, even though it is not my thing.
kenlinder	Date: May 31, 2004 @ 11:22 AM Punk is about as dead as electronic music. Hey, I resemble that remark. By the way, ever hear of ambient, trance, techno, etc… Actually....on the "punk=rap" (which was supposed to be an insult), rap and punk both came out of people who were poor and abandoned by their society and seriously shit on (so did blues and white trash country). Remember that "God Bless the Queen" is about a generation abandoned by their government, to live lives with no opportunity other than a dole that people could no longer live on. There real difference I see in punk (other than there being loud metal noise music instead of questionable poetry) is that punk is about being righteously pissed of in a nihilistic way, not wanting to grow old just so you can get blown up in a nuclear war. It was in a large way about anger toward a fucked up world, and self destruction. I can’t see that punk (as a way to live) is a healthy way to live a long happy life, but then I think the whole point of the attitude is that choice was already stolen. As a musical style though, of course it isn’t all pretty and melodic…you can’t express that kind of anger, despair, and nihilistic abandon and make it sound “pretty”. They idea is to vent, not to be pretty. By the way I’m not really into punk myself, but I do understand it a little more than I’d like to.
bastardo23	Date: May 31, 2004 @ 11:25 AM thanks for the comment ken, unfortunately, some find it impossible to respond to decency, and can only hear rudeness and crassness. if anybody really thinks there music is so good it justifies their lame behaviour, and leaves them free to treat all those who didn't create their music like so much trash is way out of reality. but anyway, on a lighter note, for those of us who know a little about the industry. contracts written up in the new year, between Nov., and June approximately, are often tax write offs.(at the end of the fiscal year budgets have to spent to the limit so often experimental contracts are done up with small budgets to finish up the money from the previous years budget. but, good luck getting any money after that, unless you can tour internationally and sell a lot of tickets and cds.) people won't necessarily feel like putting on the caps then will they.. now i couldn't wish that on even my worst enemy, but i wouldn't be surprised. life is funny like that. ego can only go so far, and it ain't business savvy that is going on in this thread.
kenlinder	Date: May 31, 2004 @ 11:58 AM Punk is about as dead as electronic music. Hey, I resemble that remark (do lots of electronic music). By the way, ever hear of ambient, trance, techno, etc…oh yes, and most hollywood sound traks are all electric too. Orchestras cost too much. Next... on the "punk=rap" (which was supposed to be an insult), rap and punk both came out of people who were poor and abandoned by their society and seriously shit on (so did blues and white trash country). However, punk is all about rage (understandable rage), whereas rap takes in more styles. Remember that "God Bless the Queen" is about a generation abandoned by their government, to live lives with no opportunity other than a dole that people could no longer live on. P is about being righteously pissed of in a nihilistic way, not wanting to grow old just so you can get blown up in a nuclear war. It was in a large way about anger toward a fucked up world, and self destruction. I can’t see that punk (as a way to live) is a healthy way to live a long happy life, but then I think the whole point of the attitude is that choice was already stolen by a bunch of rich assholes. As a musical style though, of course it isn’t all pretty and melodic…you can’t express that kind of anger, despair, and nihilistic abandon and make it sound “pretty”. They idea is to vent as a group and give the crap a way to get out, not to be pretty. By the way I’m not really into punk myself, but I do understand it a little more than I’d like to.
bastardo23	Date: May 31, 2004 @ 12:16 PM hey ken your reposting?
bastardo23	Date: May 31, 2004 @ 12:24 PM well, i guess calling people "dumbass" is construed as some kind of evidence of critical skill, and expertise in music.. maybe i should try it out. oh wait, i know, i'll insult your penis length, that'll really get things goin. oh hold on, no let's just attack the sexuality. deadlock's a limpwristed homo who knows nothing about music, nyah nyah, nyah nyah...
dicktruth	Date: May 31, 2004 @ 1:35 PM I agree, the original punk bands weren't pretty and easy to listen to. The same with the hardcore bands from the 80s and 90s. But now punk has evolved and while there are still bands playing music like the Sex Pistols and The Damned, you have other bands considered punk such as Sublime, Bad Religion, Snuff and whatever, who manage to combine the punk mentality with really good melodies. Bands like Bigwig and Strung Out are amongst the best musicians I have ever heard, and have the best drummers in the world (to my ears at least) This is why you have bands like Blink 182 and Good Charlotte using these bands as inspiration when they're writing songs which top the charts. 'Real' punk fans may not like these bands, but they are carrying the torch for the next generation of punk bands to come.
cagedrage	Date: May 31, 2004 @ 5:17 PM the only decent Punk band to ever come on the scene and actual helped it's genre was , non other than GREEN DAY, all others after that have SUCKED MAJOR BALLS AND ASS. You Punkers are such wieners, "oh i'm been abandon and abused by society, mommie help me" quit your fucking crying, you think your the only genre that has happened too. and as far as rap is concerned when it was out about 20 years ago it was good and real, but now all it does is talk about how fat their bank rolls are, how large they are living and how many white girls they are screwing. like any of them in the ghetto even know what it's like living large, rap is now FAKE, cause they are disconnected to the very audience that got them to where they are now, they no longer apeal to them, same as Punk. a friend of mine said they went to a Rammstein gig, they do this big pyro show, they got a bit carried away, and set the first five rows of punk rocker hair on fire, now that is pretty funny. that's what they should do at all the shows now, save the music industry today....set afire to a punk rocker.....LOL whhahhahahahaaaaaaa
truechemistry	Date: May 31, 2004 @ 7:35 PM Punk hasn't died, it's just hard to find. Especially the way punk used to be played, now there are so many variations and sub-genres of punk. The genre punk is a little hard to find now-a-days unless you go to underground stuff. But the punk style is still around and living better than before.
Mookrit	Date: May 31, 2004 @ 8:42 PM NO way! Punk isn't dead at all. Just listen to Anti-Flag if you don't believe me.
dicktruth	Date: June 1, 2004 @ 4:13 AM Yeah, but cagedrage, you are no doubt talking about mainstream rap, such as 50 Cent and Eminem. Look underground and you get bands like Seekret Socyetee and 2 Drunk'n Poets, who play all their instruments and write songs about social and political problems as opposed to how much money they earn. How do you mean that rap and punk fans are now disconnected from the bands? Mainstream and underground bands in these genres continue to sell-out respected venues all around the world. With punk there may not be so many mainstream bands but look underground and you will see a lot of quality bands, all with big following (big enough to allow them to tour nationally and internationally) Rammstein - punk rock fo' reeeeel
staind1	Date: June 1, 2004 @ 5:15 AM Rammstein is industrial metal
bastardo23	Date: June 1, 2004 @ 11:25 AM "oh i'm been abandon and abused by society, mommie help me" although i understand you refer to all "punk" after green day as "SUCKED MAJOR BALLS AND ASS" clearly your picture of what punk is, was, means or meant is not useful enough to justify raising. if "punk" for you is "green day", or it's meaning can be reduced to your above comments, you missed the boat about 25-30 years earlier. your version of punk is the punk that was sold back to you a minimum of two generations later, stripped of any of the more challenging elements. with this kind of evidence, people continue to go around slinging their "snake oil" of an opinion. stick to what you actually have real experience of. how many punk recordings do you have, and how many shows previous to 90 have you seen. you are just a post subpop bubblegummer and have only a very limited idea about what seeing a great punk band is as far as my experience can tell. come back and argue about punk when you've heard some real music.. fffft!!! cha!! talkin to i man about "green day" is punk! go listen a some bad brains and then you'll be on your way..
dicktruth	Date: June 1, 2004 @ 5:06 PM I'm a Green Day fan. I'm a Bad Brains fan. I'm a Sex Pistols fan. I'm a Dead Kennedys fan. I'm a Sublime fan. I'm an Agnostic Front fan. So what? I enjoy different bands that have been branded 'punk' over the course of music history, not just this modern stuff which you and others brand as insignificant. There's nothing wrong with liking different styles of music. If you think there is, you shouldn't be listening to music at all.
100thmonk	Date: June 1, 2004 @ 8:04 PM dick, did you read the message, or are you a bit defensive over the things you like to listen to.. all bastard seems to be expressing is a need for some kind of real basis to critique from. i don't think he said green day or any other such is bad, he's just calling cagedrage out on his ignorance. ot just this modern stuff which you and others brand as insignificant your putting words in his mouth...
Intergalacti...	Date: June 2, 2004 @ 12:24 PM Greenday did set the scene for many punk bands to come but what about the bands that set the scene for Greenday. Now I'm a huge Greenday fan and you can tell by puttin on a Stiff Little Fingers album or another sort about their time that they were heavily influenced by Greenday. Now I'm htinkin that Greenday were influenced by the earlier punk scene but you can clearly tell just by listening to thirty seconds of a song by them or an early punk rock song that its very different. This is the way music evolves. If people don't like it do'nt listen to it no one is forcing you. To me Greenday are very true punk rockers, thats not to say I'm right because I don't think anyone is right in this argument yet but thats an opinion I am expressing. The mainstream stuff like Simple Plan, Bowling for Soup; I don't know the exact bands they were influenced by but it had to be inbetween that early punk rock stage that the Sex Pistols and the Clash brought along and the time we have now because this mucis is obviously too happy and jumpy to be influenced by the sex pistols because from my point of view at least they were angry people hence the Anarchist flag put up everywhere to represent their punk rock era but whoever they were influenced by then they have changed it to suit them. Ok I can see where your coming from caged, their music does go on about women a lot of the time (well the full boy punks anyway) and it gets kind of sickening after a while. But if thats what sells then they're obviously doing somethin to win over the best part of the population. I'll listen to any bands someone throws at me and 90% of the time I'll like them, or at least respect them. In the last ten yearse I think some of the talent has gone away due to the fact that people are lookin at punk like 'here's three chords go start a punk band' and that gets on my nerves sometimes. But at least they had the courage to learn those three chords and start somethin. Don't even get me started on dance music
dicktruth	Date: June 2, 2004 @ 6:01 PM Okay, I'm done defending punk and rap and what have you. What I will say is this: just because some music is easy doesn't make it cack. I had no respect for dance artists or rappers before I went to music college, I used to think (like other people) that electronic music was just pressing buttons, and to an extent it is. Anyone can make a shitty dance track, but try making that as good as a professional song. It's the equivalent of going up to some death metal fan, turning the gain up to 10, madly strumming all six strings, and going "look at me, I'm playing death metal". Now I know for a fact that there is not much music on this planet that is easy to write. What was the point of that story? This: just because it's easy to play, I doubt you could write a better song in that style. When I pick up my guitar I play ...And Justice For All inside and out. I don't have much trouble with playing that album. Does that make me better than Metallica? No, because there's no way on earth I could write that shit. I challenge any of you to write a really good punk song, up to the standard of Bad Religion or Strung Out. If rap music is all pressing buttons and speaking poems fast, plug a mic into your PC and try making one. This could go on forever, so I'm gonna leave it, but maybe it's time people started taking the positive out of everything rather than constantly focusing on the negative.
100thmonk	Date: June 2, 2004 @ 6:09 PM okay, somehow this turned into "please stop slagging my favourite band" i like green day to an extent as well, but you cannot define the genre by using them as your example, because you just point yourself out as unaware of the past..and thusly the future... also you cannot say their lyrics define punk, it's just ridiculous. what about the DK's or, MDC, or the hundreds of other bancs out there whose records preceded green day. this is not to say green day is "insignificant", they are torch bearers of sorts, to a new generation of listeners, who hopefully will be open enough to look at the musics that led to this particular musical genre.. i'm sure those guys listened to things like minor threat, misfits, dag nasty, all, the descendents, and the many other melodic hardcore bands that were coming out of the punk scene in the mid to late eighties in the united states.
staind1	Date: June 2, 2004 @ 6:53 PM well, i like green day and megadeth, metallica, opeth, jars of clay, travis tritt, Godsmack, alice in chains, nirvana, eminem,(sp) DMX, Iron maiden, judas priest, stray cats, sex pistols, 311, rage against the machine, tad, dr. Dre, Icecube, Ice-T, Too $hort, linkin park, My Dying Bride..... i can seriously go on and on..... what i'm trying to say here is that they have all been successful, and i am just trying to pull from influences to create my own style, that's how all these bands done it, thats how all bands will do it in the future as well. Punk, rap, rock, metal, country, pop, blah blah, they all have made great impacts on the music industry. respect them all.
dicktruth	Date: June 2, 2004 @ 6:56 PM That is the most sensible thing I've heard on this site. Nice one man
MisledMayhem	Date: June 3, 2004 @ 1:26 AM Wow, I didn't have time to read all these, looks like there was one guy really mad though, but he's generalizing, not all punk is like crappy guitars crappy amps crappy hair ect, though I do like the sound of that kind, Casualties, GBH, ect. But then again, all they have is the "crappy" hair, cuz at the concert I went to they had like 10 marsial stacks. But as far as punk being dead, don't tell that to a crazy Exploited fan at a punk show, or they'll beat the shit out of you. There are some crazy Punks out there, and they get pretty pissed when you tell them their genera doesn't exist anymore.
pancreaspuppet	Date: June 3, 2004 @ 11:09 AM I would say that punk is not so much a style of music but a state of mind - and won't ever die. If you listen to what was first coined "Punk Rock", and compare it to what it is now, I think that's evidence that the essence of punk is not in the style of music.
pancreaspuppet	Date: June 3, 2004 @ 11:15 AM I think dicktruth is telling the (dick)truth... I mean... I agree.
cagedrage	Date: June 4, 2004 @ 7:32 PM ok,DO you wanna know the real truth? The word punk comes from prison mates. when someone is someone's beouch, they are referred to as a "Punk" The stupid bagging, wearing my croutch to my knees also came out of prison, it was a way for the "Punks" to signal who they was to the others, some dumbass rappers came out of prison and started wearing their cloths like this, (cause you know what they was doing while locked up) and all the homies thought this was the shit. so, lets go back and recap.. Punk-bitches in prison Rap-baggy fag look from prison NOW YOU'VE ALL BEEN SCHOOLED. ok now below you will find all the post from the dummies who think this isn't so and they will say it isn't but yet all you got to do if you don't believe me is call any prison system in this country and ask them. GO AHEAD ask them, see what they say. whahhaahaahahaahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
100thmonk	Date: June 5, 2004 @ 1:47 AM
100thmonk	Date: June 5, 2004 @ 1:48 AM do you have a prescription for that?
dicktruth	Date: June 5, 2004 @ 4:22 AM Shakespeare used the word 'punk'
pancreaspuppet	Date: June 5, 2004 @ 6:28 AM cagedrage, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that the "prison fashion" that rapper culture adopted had nothing to with being someone's "bitch". The baggy pants and shoes without laces etc. were a result of prisoners being disallowed to carry anything with which they could commit suicide or murder; hence the lack of belt and shoelaces.
pancreaspuppet	Date: June 5, 2004 @ 6:35 AM BTW, cagedrage, I just read over your post one more time, and I felt I should let you know I was overwhelmed at the sheer bigotedness of it, and advise you to pull your head out of your arse.
MisledMayhem	Date: June 6, 2004 @ 2:19 PM Pop punk makes me feel like vomiting, i wish that would die.
cagedrage	Date: June 6, 2004 @ 3:55 PM doesn't take much to overwhelm you now does it pancreaspuppet? Like I really care. Ok here's another thing, just to show how stupid rap can be. take the D12 group. yeah yeah yeah, i know they say they are a band, but none of them play instruments. anyway. the D stands for dirty and the 12 is of course dozen. The ideal was they would round up 12 of the best rappers in I think it was Detroit? anyway, they only found 6. there had never been a dozen mc's of them, EVER. only 6, one died and then eminem took place and thats the only reason anyone pasy any attention to them, they suck BAD, anyway, there is only 6 of them not 12, so it's the dirty 6 not the dirty dozen D12, dumbasses don't even know how to count. must be that "ebanomics"
Intergalacti...	Date: June 6, 2004 @ 4:19 PM I'm not just tryin to stick on Greenday but what was said earlier I didn't mean it that Greenday have been the biggest punk band to date because no one can tell who that is, and I'm not even sure I actually hinted on that must be honest but I was just using Greenday as a main example. I listen to a huge amount of styles and what dicktruth said about dance music I am one of those people who just thinks its pressing a load of buttons but thats because of my lack of knowledge of dance music at least I am willing to admit that. For my age I think I know quite a bit about music in general except dance music. Now to a lot of people on here I know very little but I know that rap is talented because when Eminem (again please don't think thats all I've heard of he's just one person I'm using to show an example) first made it mainstream there were a lot of shows on him. I watched quite a few of these and they all said the same thing. Eminem is a great musician. Now to an extent that is very untrue. He has no music background and doesn't know a hell of a lot of theory behind it however this man writes all the backing melodies to all his songs. He writes all the drum beats, now they may not be very adventorous but that is what is needed for his form of 'music'. Next cagedrage I can't believe yuor getting hooked up on that man. ITS A NAME. Why is your name caged rage? Why is Limp Bizkit called Limp Bizkit? Why are Sublime called Sumblime? If your gonna get wound up over someones name then you got problems kid. Thats like not wantin to talk to someone because their name is Michael P. Dofile.
dicktruth	Date: June 6, 2004 @ 4:53 PM hehehe, I'd talk to someone called Michael P. Dofile
chrismacmanus	Date: June 6, 2004 @ 5:20 PM Intergal, how can you say that Stiff Little Fingers were influenced by Greenday when they were about 15 years before Greenday????
staind1	Date: June 6, 2004 @ 6:05 PM Is this still going on? I mean let's stop and think about this for a minute...........ok, Seems to be a pretty popular subject since that's all people wanna talk about is punk and rap. Must mean the music is pretty PoPular.... Dicktruth, you must love all this publicity towards your style of music, I mean good or bad, your still getting ALOT man. lol Now my take, I don't mind people saying my music is crappy. I like to play crappy songs. I am in a crappy band that plays crappy music, and you know, the beautiful thing about it? Is we can be as crappy as we wanna be and not have to worry about living up to any sub standards. Long live CRAPPY MUSIC HAHA. As long as crappy music is around, so will I so that makes me pretty dang happy. Peace
burn-the-meth	Date: June 6, 2004 @ 7:40 PM Punk in my opinion is dead, because it was an idea back in the 70's-80's a "I don't give a fuck anymore" mindset, which died out, with a more "I wanna make money" mindset so let's play music that people can listen to , to be cool and a rebel. Hardcore, on the other hand, is definitely still alive and kicking, and it punk gone underground.
dicktruth	Date: June 7, 2004 @ 2:11 AM I don't really care about this argument anymore. I got worked up about it a week or two ago but I've learnt that it's really hard to change people's minds. So fuck that. Anyway... I had a point to make but I forgot it and now I'm tired so I'm off back to bed.
Intergalacti...	Date: June 7, 2004 @ 4:20 AM Sorry chrismacmanus I mean the other way round, where did I say that? God how much of a mornon am I lol. I was just tryin to get across that punk has evolved because you can hear Stiff Little Fingers in Greenday's music but Greenday are different to them in some ways as well. Thats all I was tryin to say about evolution.
cagedrage	Date: June 7, 2004 @ 6:16 AM HAHA Intergalatic, you look real stupid now, seems like there is quit abit about music you don't know about. yet you continue to come on here to try and impress everybody with your GREAT knowledge, haha that guy made you look like a dumbass. PUNK And Dicktruth, you say your tired and back off to bed, what did you do get out of bed to check this thread to see if you could argue anymore about how lame punk music is? LOOOZER
dicktruth	Date: June 7, 2004 @ 7:37 AM Yes, I got out of bed just to check this thread. Nice one. Still, I don't feel like too much of a loser because you probably came on here just to go "omG!!1 liek PUNx i5 s0 xCxRxAxPx =-= liMP BIZK!+ i5 4 reeeeel!1!?!one!11".
jeddak	Date: June 7, 2004 @ 11:59 AM The Dead - are they punk?
100thmonk	Date: June 8, 2004 @ 2:22 AM cagedrage, it's utterly amazing how much you revel in the downfall, ignorance and potential suffering of others. how did you get so incredibly intelligent and deserving of your obvious superiority. i really can't wait till i'm wise and witty enough to post along with the likes of you the human bileduct. i can't wait to curb stomp other peoples egos and sensibilities just for the halibut. maybe then i will feel like i made the world a better place..
pancreaspuppet	Date: June 13, 2004 @ 4:21 PM Cagedrage - stop making yourself look stupid: you seem to have a habit of it. How old are you anyway? 12? Wake up, man.
Deadlock	Date: June 13, 2004 @ 6:58 PM wow, just because a person doesn't like punk, expresses his or hers opinion on the subject, you two wanna call them stupid and make ignorant stabs at someones age. now who is the ones looking stupid here hmmmmmm 100thmonk and pancreaspoop
andromedascar	Date: June 13, 2004 @ 8:16 PM the distillers pretty vocals isnt it?
100thmonk	Date: June 13, 2004 @ 9:23 PM deadlock said - you two wanna call them stupid and make ignorant stabs at someones age. i said - how did you get so incredibly intelligent and deserving of your obvious superiority. amongst other things none of which i stand accused.. why has this discussion become a place to spread hate? it has nothing to do with whether or not punk exists. you just want me to sit here and listen to someone spew there shit on me. i am still waiting to see if you or cagedrage know anything about things other than "your" opinion. maybe if all you have listened to is limited, that might leave you having an unfounded opinion, get me.. and on the other hand, if you thought i should know why something sucked, so i could change my opinion, i missed your whole point, and just thought you had a hate-on for no reason. now please, put that hate-on away, before someone gets hurt.
dicktruth	Date: June 14, 2004 @ 2:15 AM It looks like the punk debate has gone down the drain then... can't say I'm annoyed about it. Maybe someone should make a "Is Metal Dead" topic because let's face it, how many good metal bands are there? I'm mainly talking about popular metal bands before I get a beasting, so if someone could suggest some decent underground ones that'd be mint.
sween	Date: June 14, 2004 @ 5:02 AM Depends what kind of punk people are thinkin of. Theres a band called Flint (Kieth Flint from prodigy is head man) Now theres a real punk band! Quality stuff
sween	Date: June 14, 2004 @ 5:04 AM theSWEEN is a mint metal band
staind1	Date: June 14, 2004 @ 6:15 AM 100thmonk, not trying to draw fire here, but i have to say something here....you keep saying something about limited listening, but what you haven't considered is that if someone doesn't like a certain style of music, even if it's only because of what they seen on MTV or heard on the radio, they are certainly not going to go out and start buying every album under that genre and listen to it to see if they may changed their minds. it's called reality. even though i can appreaciate your argument, i understand that alot of people may not like metal based on the few bands they have heard. And then i would move to find out what they have heard and maybe suggest they listen to a few they haven't that i feel may enlighten them, but the bottom line is, if they come back and say the same thing then so be it. I don't country music, but believe me i have heard tons of it. i live in the country capitol of the world. before i moved here, i didn't like country that much. i like maybe about a dozen songs in country and that is it. I will never play country, nor ride around in beat up pickup trucks with a huge cowboy hat on, a chaw in my jaw and a hubcap sized belt buckle with some cowboy boots on. and just because "I" don't do all that, or like that style of music, doesn't mean that "My" listening of that genre is or was limited. I'm not trying to be an ass or take sides, but i think people in general today just assume to much from a few words someone says. laters
chrismacmanus	Date: June 14, 2004 @ 6:41 AM in reference to an above comment, sorry - I wasn't trying to make anyone look ignorant, just a big SLF fan
staind1	Date: June 14, 2004 @ 4:43 PM ok, how about this, this is reality folks. the question is..."Is Punk dead?" Answer NO, why? well any genre that has at least one band playing the style is keeping that type of music alive. dead means no more. so this should end this argument right here. it is not dead, neither is most of the other styles either, now lets all be happy and go listen to our favorite kinds of music...LOL
DeltaF86	Date: June 18, 2004 @ 2:25 AM If punk means awsome, energetic music, I'm punk all the way. If punk means USA bashing then I'm out. Anti-Flag is a good band musically sure, but thier only selling point is politics. It seems to me that punk is just going through a recess in the popular music scene, but take a look around, there are still TONS of kids playing it and having fun. Thats what really matters. NOTHING ELSE.
100thmonk	Date: June 23, 2004 @ 4:14 AM hey staind i appreciate that, and i am not trying to hold any kind of superiority over anyone's head because of what they or i may or may not have heard. i am just asking from a differnt perspective, the question, what is it we think we know? why are we so sure? could we be mistaken? i don't get the impression that these questions occur to some folks. the world in our individual minds can be incredibly small if we cannot continually ask and answer these questions.

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