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ryanwilliams	Date: March 23, 2004 @ 9:05 PM I have to say, I hate the concept of the show, BUT - I just can't stop watching! Am I the only one? If I turn out to be, just.. pretend i never even made this thread.
kingo	Date: March 23, 2004 @ 9:35 PM shhhhh.... I'm absolutely NOT watching it, right now, Tuesday night. I don't watch it every single time it's on, and I don't sometimes call up and vote like 40 times. (Remember, I DON'T DO ANY OF THAT STUFF.) I'm not watching Latoya sing right now. Not at all.
Svensta	Date: March 23, 2004 @ 10:22 PM Damn. Missed it again. I was hoping to catch an episode too. So I could get a firm line on who to mail anthrax envelopes to. I owe these people for Ryan Seacrest.
robbydadrummer	Date: March 23, 2004 @ 11:15 PM I only watch the first few episodes to see how bad most of the try-outs are. The expression on the judge's faces are entertaining... lol.
sinai	Date: March 23, 2004 @ 11:16 PM there was a better thread around here about that show...
ryanwilliams	Date: March 24, 2004 @ 12:19 AM Forgive me sinai for being lazy.
Gatherer	Date: March 24, 2004 @ 1:26 AM @ halaka
ryanwilliams	Date: March 30, 2004 @ 8:52 PM I'm pulling my hair out this evening. I think all the were sniffing the hard stuff tonight.
sinai	Date: March 30, 2004 @ 10:58 PM i hope the lil asain kid gets signed and outsells the winner that'd be funny
ryanwilliams	Date: March 31, 2004 @ 3:34 AM oh you mean william hung? :hudder:: http://williamhung.net/clips.cfm - you just might get your wish.
jessemills	Date: April 1, 2004 @ 9:49 PM john stevens all the way. im just hooping he fucks everyones expectations about what a "popstar" should be. he does need to put a bit more swagger in his swing if he wants to get anywhere. he's far to shy and reserved.
smooka	Date: April 2, 2004 @ 11:53 AM he must be pretty happy that william hung boy.
ryanwilliams	Date: April 2, 2004 @ 4:09 PM I don't know if you can have the last name "Hung" and not be happy. John Stevens.. As nice as it would be to have somebody who's not all "superstar" to win, I think the reason he'll get voted off (and, honestly, should already have been) i because he's got zero versatility.. That painful rendition of "My Girl," for example.. man. I think that's the reason he's still in there, though. Somebody out there is hoping he'll shock the hell out of everyone.
kingo	Date: April 3, 2004 @ 9:24 AM (Hmmm... now WHO could THAT be? What kind of person would think like THAT?) ;) Regarding his versatility: I'm not sure I agree with you. When he did "Always a Woman" in the early episodes it was fantastic. One of my favorite performances of the show, believe it or not. It wasn't crooning, but it wasn't delivered at ALL the way Billy Joel delivers it. And he did a good job with "King of the Road." In fact that was one of the few songs performed during that "country" themed episode that bore any resemblance at all to actual country music. The problem as I see it with the Motown episode was that no one had the oppurtunity to take the Motown songs and make them there own. Having the actual Motown musicians there as a backing band SEVERELY tied the hands of those performers for whom Motown is not a suitable style, including Stevens and JPL. The country-themed episode would've played a lot differently if they'd had an actual country backing band instead of the backing tracks they had. Besides, versatility is a tricky thing. Some people can just do anything, and sound perfectly like-you'd-expect doing it, and to me they're often boring as all hell. Jasmine, for instance; there is no more unremarkably generic voice/performing style than hers. IMO, of course. Uhm, but you didn't hear any of that from ME. I mean, I don't even watch the show. That just wouldn't fit my image at all, couldn't have that. :)" id="94062">"Somebody out there is hoping he'll shock the hell out of everyone." (Hmmm... now WHO could THAT be? What kind of person would think like THAT?) Regarding his versatility: I'm not sure I agree with you. When he did "Always a Woman" in the early episodes it was fantastic. One of my favorite performances of the show, believe it or not. It wasn't crooning, but it wasn't delivered at ALL the way Billy Joel delivers it. And he did a good job with "King of the Road." In fact that was one of the few songs performed during that "country" themed episode that bore any resemblance at all to actual country music. The problem as I see it with the Motown episode was that no one had the oppurtunity to take the Motown songs and make them there own. Having the actual Motown musicians there as a backing band SEVERELY tied the hands of those performers for whom Motown is not a suitable style, including Stevens and JPL. The country-themed episode would've played a lot differently if they'd had an actual country backing band instead of the backing tracks they had. Besides, versatility is a tricky thing. Some people can just do anything, and sound perfectly like-you'd-expect doing it, and to me they're often boring as all hell. Jasmine, for instance; there is no more unremarkably generic voice/performing style than hers. IMO, of course. Uhm, but you didn't hear any of that from ME. I mean, I don't even watch the show. That just wouldn't fit my image at all, couldn't have that.
dkeifer	Date: April 3, 2004 @ 9:31 AM Don't worry. The true absurdist knows that fun comes in many forms. Or something to that effect.
kingo	Date: April 3, 2004 @ 10:41 AM Yes yes, my reasons for doing what I do are legion and really beyond the scope of my explanatory desire. Oh, also, erm.
jeddak	Date: April 6, 2004 @ 1:22 PM Only watched about 5 min. of the show once, a few weeks ago, but long enough to decide that the British geek needs a good punch in the nose. He should be made to perform (perhaps in a tutu), and let everyone ridicule _him_.
robbydadrummer	Date: April 6, 2004 @ 6:20 PM Oh man... I just had to check the William Hung site... and torture myself with those audio clips...
Etheracide	Date: April 6, 2004 @ 9:47 PM Leave my Willie Hung alone ha I liked the hardcore version of him doing She Bangs. I actually texted a vote in. I voted for George. I was going to send in another one or two, but got too lazy. I would like John Stevens to win (especially since that's my Uncle's name), but I also have my doubts on that. I would like him to win for pretty much the reasons everyone else expressed...the shock value. But based on performance...I voted for George. Oh yes... I might also add...that I never ever watch the show and great shame should be cast upon those that do! They should be haha
sinai	Date: April 6, 2004 @ 10:24 PM i refer everyone to the other thread about this show that lurks around here somewhere... i can't be asked to find the address...
ryanwilliams	Date: April 7, 2004 @ 12:07 AM I don't "Watch" the show. I just sort of... well, the tv ends up on fox, and the next thing I know I'm tapping my foot. It's more like that.
Etheracide	Date: April 7, 2004 @ 12:07 AM I visited that one often =0) For anyone interested... William Hung apparently is appearing on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno tomorrow night!
ryanwilliams	Date: April 7, 2004 @ 1:36 AM mmm.. I heard about that. And doesn't his album drop today? Or tomorrow? or in a week, or something?
smooka	Date: April 7, 2004 @ 1:48 AM what has the world come to?
robbydadrummer	Date: April 7, 2004 @ 11:43 AM To the endless lowering of standards...
ryanwilliams	Date: April 7, 2004 @ 8:28 PM they actually played clips from his album on the rap/hip-hop/pop station we have here...travesty, man.
RyanS	Date: April 7, 2004 @ 9:22 PM I've also heard clips on hip-hop, pop, rock, and alternative stations here around the Windy City. I just feel that he's on his final seconds of his 15 minutes. A few weeks of album sales, then poof into oblivion. Then 10 years from now, he'll be a on VH1 Behind the Music, and be on some obscure 2000's compilation album along with The Darkness (I cannot stand that song at all, and the video is so btw, wife's hooked on Idol, and I get stuck watching, and I would have to say that it'll be between George and Fantasia. My personal favorite would be George
onewhodreams	Date: April 7, 2004 @ 10:43 PM My favorite would be George too. He's cool, sincere, and unique, compared to Fantasia, LaToya, and Jeniffer. Oh and William Hung, What HAS this world come too?!?! At least he's making some serious cash.
jessemills	Date: April 8, 2004 @ 10:11 AM i think fantasia is unique...what I've seen anyway. as far as as im concerned, she's one of only three who actually deserve to win. her, the cruise ship singer, and the hot hawaiian chick who looks like she's always stoned...they are truly talented, and not in a karoke kind of way. that one girl, always aping Celine Dion- and they actually APPLAUD her for it !!!!&****@. stupid work has been preventing me from watching the show lately (and voting) and ITS MY FAVORITE GODDAMN SHOW. they're gonna take away my indie tag for saying that. im keeping my finkers crossed for mr john stevens and im hoping that you guys will keep me updated on his progress. i love them crooners, boy, i do. and this "unoriginal" crap the judges kep laying on him, it's bullshit- you can't help who you're influenced by. Dino, Bobby Darin, even Harry Connick, all these guys working in the same milieu, but with unique voices all their own. hell, even Jim Morrison was a crooner, and nobody ever accused him of ripping off Elvis, his childhood hero.... im just waiting for for mr john stevens to ROCK OUT WITH THE COCK OUT man. he needs to go to LA and start smoking reefer with some hardcore jazz musicians or something. this polite little suburban shit isn't gonna cut it for long.
jessemills	Date: April 13, 2004 @ 9:39 PM no american idol today! HELP!
sinai	Date: April 13, 2004 @ 9:42 PM go Hung!!
ryanwilliams	Date: April 13, 2004 @ 11:54 PM Man, this is great!! I thought I'd slept through it. Woo hoo!
Etheracide	Date: April 14, 2004 @ 7:23 AM If I go anywhere..I go Hung.
robbydadrummer	Date: April 14, 2004 @ 8:20 AM I can't believe how you all have Hung on to this thread...
ryanwilliams	Date: April 14, 2004 @ 2:38 PM NA won't let me attend the meetings, Robby. Sorry.
sinai	Date: April 14, 2004 @ 4:42 PM Go Hung!
KurtCobainJr	Date: April 14, 2004 @ 7:12 PM hey wat is happening here awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww american idol when did it start damn i missed halfd an hour drat exscuse me
jessemills	Date: April 14, 2004 @ 8:32 PM I miss the stoned little hawaiian girl with the husky voice.
dkeifer	Date: April 14, 2004 @ 8:42 PM Fantasia did wonderful things to Summertime.
Etheracide	Date: April 14, 2004 @ 9:28 PM I thought it was kinda weird that atleast here in the Philly area, FOX was the only UHF station that broadcasted the Bush press conference. So while UPN and WB showed their 'wonderful' shows...there was no American Idol which I am sure brings in atleast 50 times the viewers than the shows on UPN and WB combined hehe
jessemills	Date: April 14, 2004 @ 10:02 PM fantasia was great (goosebumps all over), but John Stevens...I almost started to cry with the first notes that came out of his mouth. i wish i could take that kid out and get him drunk.
ryanwilliams	Date: April 15, 2004 @ 1:26 AM Grr.. I was at a concert, forgot to tape it. I will have to cross my fingers and hope idolfan.org gets it's shit together, I suppose.
pmscpc	Date: April 15, 2004 @ 2:35 AM I can't believe how many discerning hi brow musicians watch the lowest common demoninator AND vote, putting money in the pockets of the shows investors and fuelling the whole sorry sad mess. The first winners in the UK (they were actually a BAND, not an IDOL) have never been heard of again. The next winner (an IDOL) is still around, but he won despite Simon preferring the runner up - no worries, the runner up got a contract too.... almost defeated the whole point of voting. In the UK, it's something like the third or fourth time round and the previous "winner" hasn't been seen since the victory show. We think it's because the Audience voted for "the wrong person" in the eyes of Simon Cowell - despite the fact she could sing perfectly well, she was a little overweight and so not POP IDOL material. I think it's all staged, does little for the "winners" and makes the organisers (ie Simon Cowell) a huge fortune - and that's the whole point of the show. And OK, I DID watch the first two, just like the rest of you (using the excuse of "my wife watched it, so I had to", despite the fact that I could leave the room and do something far more interesting), and I voted for the "winner". I just felt a little duped. And Dirty. but I like feeling dirty......... and now I feel ashamed that we invented it. I'm currently waiting for IRAQI Idol, or more likely "IRAQI Martyr"
jessemills	Date: April 15, 2004 @ 6:23 AM oh please. im sure kelly clarkson is begging to go back to the Kentucky Fried Chicken stand or wherever. one thing i wish though, is that more emphasis were put on creativity, because without a. the skills to write a hit song or b. a discerning ear to pick tunes the winners will all fade back into obscurity. no one is doomed to be a puppet forever, although it can be a good starting point- look at N*Sync, The Backstreet Boys...fuck, even the Monkees. And the Monkees will have a career playing state fairs FOREVER. too bad they never got to make that episode of Futurama. God I love The Monkees.
ryanwilliams	Date: April 15, 2004 @ 7:30 PM Well on one hand, it aggravates me that there are a lot of musicians out there are a much better package deal than someone who can sing and look good for the camera, who are busting their asses and have a fraction, if that, of the notoriety that the idols get. But on the other hand, you gotta remember some of the better voices we've heard, over the years, were good singers with pretty faces who couldn't play an instrument or write a song.
RockinLanie	Date: April 15, 2004 @ 10:22 PM
kingo	Date: April 15, 2004 @ 10:24 PM pmscpc: I'm just trying to figure out what's WRONG with being entertained. Were you not entertained when you watched it? Do you not like hearing singers sing because, hey, they're good singers? If you're not entertained by it, don't watch it. But it's weird to me that you feel duped and dirty for watching/voting. What do you WANT to happen to these people? To me it's just entertainment, and it irks me that so many people seem to be think they're somehow ABOVE entertainment. It's low brow and common denominator, sure. So is eating. Man, EVERYONE eats, isn't that fucked up? I can't believe how many of you people, like fucking sheep, follow everyone else and eat. How ridiculous. And don't even get me started on breathing. (Don't mind me, I'm just fucking pissed that JPL lost tonight. Stunned, and pissed.)
RockinLanie	Date: April 15, 2004 @ 10:39 PM I don't like it and I don't watch it.Its ok not to like it just as it is ok for anyone who does like it. That is why we are each an individual. We have different views, likes and dislikes. We are human
ryanwilliams	Date: April 16, 2004 @ 2:37 AM Oh no, Halaka. Please, PLEASE tell me you're pissed solely because John Stevens should've been gone long ago? I would've gotten rid of tonight's bottom three ages ago, t be honest. "Jail House Rock," I think, was the best JPL's EVER done, and that it was really good, but all his previous performances were relatively so-so for me.
jessemills	Date: April 16, 2004 @ 3:34 AM that jailhouse rock was the most uncomfortable, whitest thing ive ever had the privelege of seeming. but that hurky-jerky stuff has it's charm i guess. so ryan, you're not a john stevens fan? say it isnt' so...that's my boy! (although im feeling a bit nervous for him these days)
ryanwilliams	Date: April 16, 2004 @ 4:07 AM doesn't get sent home. He looks like someone stole his teddy bear." id="95837">lol@jpl.. this is also true. I like John Stevens for the reason Simon liked him, he's not your typical "pop" idol. But unfortunately, that's hurting him. He has ZERO adaptability, can't do anything except channel sinatra, which would be fine if this wasn't the kind of competition where you have to be all-around good. But look Motown Week, Elton Week? He couldn't handle it. And that said, i think he knows all of this. Look at his face each time he doesn't get sent home. He looks like someone stole his teddy bear.
kingo	Date: April 16, 2004 @ 8:36 AM Nope, Ryan, I wasn't upset because of JPL going home because John Stevens didn't get sent home. I like John Stevens, too, and for similar reasons. Those two were different, and THAT'S what I like. JPL cracked me up a LOT, and that's what I liked. Half the time he looked like a deer in headlights, the other half he looked like he was just saying, "Oh, fuck it, I'm gonna twitch!" He's weird. weird = good. What I'm really disappointed about is that Jasmine is still there. Jasmine = boring. Boring = bad. Fantasia and George should be the top 2, no doubt in my mind. I just wanted to see some strangeness getting to the top 4 or 3.
ryanwilliams	Date: April 16, 2004 @ 3:34 PM There's a town I know where the hipsters go, called Bedrock!! Twitch! Twitch! :9" id="95889">Amen on the "deer in the Headlights" -- The upbeat stuff is much more his cup of tea. You reminded me of this: There's a town I know where the hipsters go, called Bedrock!! Twitch! Twitch!
Etheracide	Date: April 16, 2004 @ 11:34 PM If, in a future season, the tryouts come to Philly, I am so there! And it's nice that I won't have to worry about taking months off of work to go to Hollywood
ryanwilliams	Date: April 17, 2004 @ 5:07 AM I'll be too busy stalkin th Real World-ers.
ryanwilliams	Date: April 22, 2004 @ 4:59 PM Okay, after last night, I can't be the only one that thinks eithe this game is rigged, or America is one seriously tone-deaf nation.
StefanieNewport	Date: April 22, 2004 @ 5:40 PM I couldn't believe it either, I dont think anyone did. i was hocked:
kingo	Date: April 22, 2004 @ 6:48 PM Ryan: I thought that was John Stevens' best performance in the finals. I was actually expecting last night to turn out very much like it did. It's not rigged, the way the voting's setup makes it turn out this way. The three who were in the bottom three last night were all fighting over the same buncha voters, is what I think was going on. The main thing that gets me is the gall of the judges, acting like everyone's WRONG for voting the way they did. "It's not a popularity contest," they all suddenly say. "It's a singing contest!" Excuse me? How many times have they criticized people for their personalities, or lack thereof? Since when is it just about the singing? Every week they talk shit about John and I think it just gets him more votes. Okay, nuff from me.
ryanwilliams	Date: April 23, 2004 @ 2:48 AM But look at all the positively abysmal John Stevens performances we had to wade through to get there.. I love the kid, I dig his style, but he doesn't have the versatility an american idol needs to have (two words: Rocket Man.. ) He should've been gone first. Or Diana. You notice his face everytime he's spared? It just doesnt make sense to me to vote off someone who has been strong a lot more than week, and spare others who've had..an interesting journey. /rant, Sorry but having said that, didja catch Jennifer on Ryan Seacrest, snging with Burt Bacharach?
kingo	Date: April 23, 2004 @ 8:59 PM No, I haven't seen her since the vote-off. Never watched Seacrest's show. Was she good? I understand where you're coming from with the consistency angle, (though JPL did Rocket Man (pretty well, I thought,), John Stevens did Crocodile Rock,) but my problem is that the things he's been bad at are things I'd not expect him to be good at. He's made bad choices, too. So I'm not really defending him; but I think the styles they've based their shows around have been biased away from the styles he can be good at. Either way, my reasoning for wanting him to stay in it has more to do with keeping things diverse. the show becomes more and more boring for me the fewer singing styles are represented. Also, remember: J. Hudson wasn't voted OFF; she just didn't get enough votes to stay on. There's a big difference; no one said, "We should vote her off!" What you're really saying I guess is that it doesn't make any sense to vote FOR John when you could be voting for Jennifer; but I disagree, for the reasons I explained above. Okay!
JR88	Date: April 24, 2004 @ 12:36 AM Fantasia is my idola virus
ryanwilliams	Date: April 24, 2004 @ 2:55 AM She rocked the house, man. hm.. well, it still works out to be two words, so I guess that's okay in the end And again, I definitely see the point and I do wish that there could be someone in the top 3 who is just NOT what everbody's expecting to be there. But, for me John just isn't the best example of that, I guess. And yes, on the remember, that's what I meant. Basically. Pretty much. More or less.
ryanwilliams	Date: April 29, 2004 @ 3:13 PM
kingo	Date: April 29, 2004 @ 6:03 PM
jessemills	Date: April 30, 2004 @ 6:46 PM bullshit
Olig	Date: May 1, 2004 @ 4:10 PM I hate american idol. Heh, I even hate tv. Just a load of fabricated dreams.
BobaFlex	Date: May 3, 2004 @ 7:57 AM i watched it a few times ..
ryanwilliams	Date: May 4, 2004 @ 10:06 AM See, that'sthe thing
kingo	Date: May 5, 2004 @ 9:08 PM Tonight sucked.
Aibrean	Date: May 10, 2004 @ 12:45 AM And speaking of American Idol...can you believe how blown out of proportion William Hung is?? I saw WH hats in Spencer's at our mall!
geozero	Date: May 12, 2004 @ 12:37 AM This show is a big pile of $h!t. WH - he's an insult to all artists who are trying to make great music and a living out of this. Yeah let's give the moron a record deal... please, don't insult us.
jessemills	Date: May 12, 2004 @ 2:14 AM yeah, but why have elitist notions about what music is? if it gives him joy and little girls just want to scream and kiss him, then that's a beautiful thing. William Hung is Punk Rock, and in the most hilarious, bumbling way possible.
ryanwilliams	Date: May 12, 2004 @ 4:21 AM Go hung!!
ryanwilliams	Date: May 12, 2004 @ 4:23 AM I can't lie. I think Jennifer was it was for me. I just don't like fantasia's voice enough. She's good, but not "American Idol," I don't think. I think out of the remaining bunch, Latoya's the best. I love Jasmine to death, but she usually has some pitch issues just about every time she sings. And Diana...well, I think she should'e been voted out a while back.
Woof	Date: May 12, 2004 @ 5:16 AM I don't like Fantasia's voice that much either... but I've gotta say, that lady is the most stellar, media savvy contender I've seen yet! She's got a voice that's great for what she does, and her stage presence kicks ass! This gal's gonna be somethin' a lot more that an idol contestant, in the years to come... take my word for it...
ryanwilliams	Date: May 13, 2004 @ 9:55 AM It is time, I believe, for American Idol Season Three to start the hell over.
kingo	Date: May 13, 2004 @ 10:22 AM Yeah, bring back JPL and John Stevens. I love Fantasia's voice. but I can't effing BELIEVE that Jasmine is still in it. I don't understand why anyone's ever voted for her. At any rate it's interesting how just between the two of us (Ryan and I) we never seem to agree on anyone on that show. I really thought things were screwed when George was removed. I thought he should've been in the final 2.
ryanwilliams	Date: May 13, 2004 @ 11:55 PM Oh don't get me wrong, now--Jasmine's just one I'll hate to see go, but I don't think George should've went before her, don't get me wrong. But then I don't think Latoya should've went before her, and we could go on and on about all the "X should've gone before Y" (as we so often have, heh).
Aibrean	Date: May 14, 2004 @ 1:12 AM I think Diana is gonna win...she seems to be a people person and she can light up the crowd. Oh and for an irony moment...American Idols judges told him he sucked, but now they are making MONEY selling WH shirts in the American Idol online store LOL...bunch of hypocrites.
ryanwilliams	Date: May 20, 2004 @ 7:28 PM RE: Aibrean.. Money talks. I don't even know what I think now. At this point it's like That top three was just abysmal, in my opinion.
robbydadrummer	Date: May 20, 2004 @ 7:48 PM i hate to say it, but william hung has the potential of being the biggest success from all AI contestants, all seasons. his name is everywhere. talk about irony... it's great that someone can break the corporate mold when we least expect it, but it also shows that talent means nothing in this industry. the general public is a brainwashed sucker for a gimmick.
ChadAffe	Date: May 21, 2004 @ 1:14 PM dont even watch the show
vucky	Date: May 23, 2004 @ 4:04 AM The old, Clay Aiken is georgeous!
jessemills	Date: May 25, 2004 @ 8:21 PM oh goddd, not the KC and JoJo, anything but that...
johnnygnote	Date: May 25, 2004 @ 9:50 PM American Idle
Aibrean	Date: May 25, 2004 @ 10:23 PM enter: Wb's Superstar USA... LOL.
ryanwilliams	Date: May 25, 2004 @ 11:18 PM I was definitely a little scared when I heard Fantaia breaak out with "all My Life." I'm really suprised nobody's advised her not to do that "Yeah, yeah, yeah" thing so damned much. The WB needs to be shot. Damned frog.
jessemills	Date: May 26, 2004 @ 9:59 PM Simon Cowell: "What does the winner get? They get everything they've always wanted. Money, fame... That's what it's all about." No, that's not what it's all about. Do people actually think this? I think we're proving that that's not what it's about, nearly every single day.
jessemills	Date: May 26, 2004 @ 10:01 PM and that was one of the single most powerful and inspiring things i've ever seen. call me cheesy, but fuck. cheddar makes everything better.
Emoceon	Date: May 26, 2004 @ 10:05 PM yea
kingo	Date: May 27, 2004 @ 7:58 AM I got the impression when he said "that's what it's all about" that he was talking about the contest, the show. Not necessarily that big, amorphous "It" with a capital i. And Ryan, I agree, the "yeah yeah" thing gets old. She didn't used to do that, at least not that I noticed. But I was happy with her win.
jessemills	Date: May 27, 2004 @ 8:35 AM no, I really believe that Simon thinks that's what it's all about. I watched some annoying special on VH1 about all his cars and women and everything, and it totally makes sense. this is a guy who was managing boy bands before Idol hit it big. and isn't it crazy how VH1 turned into the E channel? even MTV2 is slowly morphing back into plain old MTV, complete with reality shows and everything.
RyanS	Date: May 27, 2004 @ 9:49 AM even MTV2 is slowly morphing back into plain old MTV, complete with reality shows and everything. That's why they issued a new MTV channel, MTV Hits, since MTV2 Was suppose to be all videos, now they're just like the original MTV channel. I dumped my digital cable channels except the movies, and I'm now just stuck with MTV and VH1.
victorsskull	Date: May 27, 2004 @ 10:53 AM mtv sucks
jessemills	Date: May 27, 2004 @ 10:58 AM at least MTV2 is playing some good indie rock once in awhile. they have death cab for cutie videos and stuff, so I have to hand it to them for that.

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