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43 individual mistakes (just needed to vent)

sqrlcub	Date: March 30, 2004 @ 5:34 PM So, I've been in the studio about 3 months now off and on. I like the pay as you go deal. It ensures that I won't go totally broke recording. I have 3 things I need to add and 43 individual mistakes to fix (so far anyway) before it is considered finished by me. I'm starting to get bummed out about it. 43 mistakes, 167 seconds worth of mistakes, all in the vocals. I have long since fixed the guitar parts. The bass parts went by pretty smoothly (though some of the 43 mistakes were the bass), and even the vocal parts went smoothly. Though, the vocal parts contain the vast majority of the mistakes. Slight tuning problems (it was in tune just a little off center), some intonation problems (my voice went a little edgy when it should have been pure), a vocal crack, a cough that hadn't been edited out, etc. I have a great techie working with me and I should be able to punch in the places where I need to fix. So that is not a problem. I just didn't want to listen to it with a critical ear yet. But I knew I had to before the harmony vocals are added. Thursday adds the congas. Perhaps I will be able to finish the vocals then. My mistakes from earlier came in my desire to do all of the singing in one day. I let myself get tired and it shows to my ear at least. 167 seconds of mistakes over 10 tracks (there are 14 on the CD) will probably take at least an hour to fix, if not more. Oh well, thanks for listening to the vent. I'm sure most of you out there can relate.
kredd	Date: March 30, 2004 @ 5:45 PM "I'm sure most of you out there can relate." - TOTALLY!!
pog	Date: March 30, 2004 @ 7:54 PM Because I consider vocals to be my weakest instrument (besides piano lol) I tend to do 2 or 3 takes for each vocal track...It's heaps easier to work with 3 vocal tracks over one. I don't think I've ever gone back and overdubbed a guitar line, as it's my strongest instrument, and I prefer the rawness of no overdubs in guitar. If I make a mistake on guitar, then I start again from scratch, and punish myself later. I tend to go ... right, poggy... you messed up this riff here, going into the solo, and play the whole set through 3 times to myself afterwards, cos I hate myself for making the mistake.
sqrlcub	Date: March 31, 2004 @ 11:51 AM Totally, the guitar is my strongest instrument by far. The bass is a close second (yea! for my first instrument). Though on this CD, I am pretty much doing everything except for the percussion and harmony vocals. Mostly because even though I can do what I want on the congas, my percussion is very uncreative. And with the harmony vocals, I can do it how I want it but self harmonization sounds weird to my ear. Everything ends up being too homogenous. I'm just looking forward to finishing this project. I've never done a whole recording set myself, just worked as a studio musician off and on. It's a lot different on this end. I'm looking forward to playing my recorder (tenor recorder, renaissance instrument if you don't know) on two tracks in the near future. I'll put those on after the harmony is done and then add the incidental percussion parts and be done. I'm not as stressed feeling about it as I was yesterday. Thanks for the venting space.
kredd	Date: March 31, 2004 @ 3:04 PM yeah, the rest of my band hates me when we record cause i'm so anal. but you gotta do it right or you'll be hate yourself and the record later! we usually record gtr and bass in one take. well, not the first take, just no punch-ins, unless the song has diff parts that call for it. hope your album turns out the way you want it to.
kredd	Date: March 31, 2004 @ 3:32 PM yeah, the rest of my band hates me when we record cause i'm so anal. but you gotta do it right or you'll be hate yourself and the record later! we usually record gtr and bass in one take. well, not the first take, just no punch-ins, unless the song has diff parts that call for it. hope your album turns out the way you want it to.
kredd	Date: March 31, 2004 @ 3:32 PM ooops i meant a
robbydadrummer	Date: March 31, 2004 @ 4:50 PM When you are in the studio working on something as difficult as vocals, don't let yourself get to the point that it's aggrivating you too much. If you reach that point, you are much better off going on to something else (guitar leads, percussion tracks, etc.). You can always come back to the vocals when you are in a better frame of mind.
kingo	Date: March 31, 2004 @ 6:54 PM I gave up trying to get around vocal mistakes like a hundred years ago. It's a pain trying to hit notes in a "key." What a silly concept, a "key." There are so many pitches in between the notes of western music, and nearly everyone ignores them. How d'ya think they feel, sitting out there, all alone, watching the fancy "A"s and "C"s getting played over and over, the "F"s and "G"s, the "G-flat"s and "B-sharp"s (or is that a "C?") I know, you fancy people with your fancy western scales and your intonation and all that, it's tough getting over that, it's tough not saying, "eww, yuck, that was a sour note!" You know how that makes a note feel, being called sour? Next time, put yourself in ITS place. See how you like it. Remember: It's only a bad note if you SAY it's a bad note. Those notes stop seeming so bad once you admit that maybe they've got something important to say.
kredd	Date: April 1, 2004 @ 9:49 AM well, my band teacher told me this once... "there is no such thing as a wrong note, its just that some notes sound better than others[when played w/ other certain notes]" and i don't think you should worry about what the notes think, they are there to serve you, YOU tell the notes what to do and use them however they best suit you...its their job. its better to let a bad note upset you for a couple weeks/months in the studio where you can fix it, than for the rest of your life on the final cd.
withering	Date: April 1, 2004 @ 2:12 PM 43 mistakes? I've yet to do 43 parts I'm satisfied with in like ...all my life...! So I'd say 43 wrongs are rather good, actually. @halaka; That's a revelation for sure! Next time, bring an auto-tuner and we can ritually smash & disgrace it in public...
sqrlcub	Date: April 1, 2004 @ 2:41 PM Aw thanks. Studio time got postponed a week so I have to listen to the mistakes until then. I can do most of the guitar parts in one or two takes (no punches) same with the bass, but I slacked when I was doing vocal lessons and it's where I pay now. Stupid classical voice teachers. LOL.
wailingmiserere	Date: April 14, 2004 @ 10:04 PM to halaka Beautifully said. To the guy who started the thread, good luck with the recording. I can only repeat what other people have said - try not to get too frustrated with it (hard, I know) otherwise it will affect your vocals even more. Keep practising and it should be okay!

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