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peer to peer is ruining my career!

andromedascar	Date: June 11, 2004 @ 3:23 AM iam wondering who would consider buying a cd from an indie artist when the best downloadable music is available no expense no worrie no visa nor anything i heard a cool band yesterday and checked their website bue i dont have a mastercard at this moment so my only alternative is to get their music through kazza,which iam already trying,is rather difficult though but most people simply would simply find some other group similir and download it f for free no visa no visa no worries no nothing,i mean who wants indie music when one can get the "very best of sony music" for free?
andromedascar	Date: June 11, 2004 @ 3:26 AM watch out iam not meaning that sony music is any good(most of it just crap)
jessemills	Date: June 11, 2004 @ 3:42 AM damn that was one long sentence. be careful, that crystal meth makes you grow hair on your intestines.
SoulBeats	Date: June 11, 2004 @ 6:00 AM Really long sentence. @Jesse
andromedascar	Date: June 11, 2004 @ 7:48 AM peer to peer doesnt do any good to anybody,musician,software creator,independent movie directorsz,we all lose ok is pretty good to promote the stuff but dmusic is quite better isnt it?still you wouldnt believe how many indie bands are being pirated(i checked this believe me)about the the meth,iam more into speedballs.
andromedascar	Date: June 11, 2004 @ 8:25 AM id love that sony and the rest of those pricks go hell but not through kazza but through dmusic indie coming indie labels digital electronic music peer to peer damage us all software creators or drummers alike do you know about software crakers warez? impoverishing us all P.S.
Svensta	Date: June 11, 2004 @ 8:53 AM "id love that sony and the rest of those pricks go hell but..." That's an awfully big but, stream-of-consciousness man. So if not through p2p, how do you suggest they go to hell? p2p SHOULD hurt them all. It's designed to, that's the business model for it right now. Only by hurting the entire industry can it be made to clean itself up and deal fairly with us. Anyone who signs on with them is our enemy. As for indies, I agree it CAN hurt, but I think if you polled the indies here at DM, you would find that the majority would be thrilled just to see their names out there and their music being heard and people excitedly sharing their work. Once you build that fan base and demand, there are ways to make money from it. Ever hear of touring? You can't fit that in a broadband pipe. And you need the audience BEFORE you can tour.
andromedascar	Date: June 11, 2004 @ 9:06 AM svensta I agree completely with you about building a fan base .
chrismacmanus	Date: June 11, 2004 @ 9:46 AM I was listening to an interview with the lead singer of Franz Ferdinand and he was praising file-sharing on the internet, and reiterated what svensta just said: "File-sharing is something that has really helped us as a band in getting established. When Franz Ferdinand played a gig in New York for the first time, a lot of people there already knew our songs and were singing along." he also said: "any real musician should be in it for the music, and you had to question the motives of certain groups and singers who were up in arms about music downloading." Mind you, I'd personally rather see the big fat pay-cheques come in through the door
billhudson	Date: June 11, 2004 @ 10:46 AM My two cents As an independent artist this is the way I look at it... Putting my music out there for free does one thing and one thing in a very big way. My music is sent the world over (just sold a CD in Spain). How one puts a price on that I don't know but it does get the world out in a very big way. If someone out there hears one of my tunes and they like it, then they will want more and more, i.e.-my CD's. In the PR world one really must put the music out there. When someone told me I might have to give away about 1,000. Well he was wrong, I have given away close to 2,000. Radio, gigs, newspaper and such, man it adds up. So with the net (it has a life of its own) one must put the music out there. Still Pickin' Bill Hudson
robbydadrummer	Date: June 12, 2004 @ 7:11 AM to back up Sventa's post, i know we certainly would be thrilled if our stuff was going out to new people on p2p. if we were worried about free distribution of our music, i never would have put it up here (or the nearly 20 other sites our music is on) where anyone can download for free anyways.
sepidman	Date: June 22, 2004 @ 3:59 PM I have no problem letting people download my music for free. I choose to offer it. I have also had singles played around the world on commercial radio. Nothing to stop those who wanted it from recording that either. There is an alternative to those paysites that require the plastic...and we are working on that model. But of course the model I talk about require mucho capital investment. Of course!! Brian
dicktruth	Date: June 23, 2004 @ 7:45 PM Me and my bassist have talked about this a fair bit. If we get around to releasing a CD we plan to stick it on our website for free. The way the underground punk scene is looking at the moment in South Wales, we wouldn't make any money anyway. I'd bloody love to make a living off selling CDs, but the majority of money made from a band is ticket sales and merch and it takes time to get into a position where you can do that. If you stick your CD on the internet, all you have to do is promote your site, as opposed to promoting your new release and trying to persuade people to buy it.
ronnie71	Date: June 24, 2004 @ 12:01 AM i wish someone would pirate our stuff then we would not have to pay for the damn pressing..
kenlinder	Date: July 22, 2004 @ 1:56 PM You could always sell your CDs "on demand" on cafepress.com You send them the master and the artwork (they give you templates) ad there are no fees to you ever. You price it where you want and get the difference. * Type of CD and Base Price CD with Paper Sleeve $4.99 CD with Jewel Case and Inserts $8.99 http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/sell/cds.aspx
kenlinder	Date: July 22, 2004 @ 1:57 PM Oh yes, and you can run as many "free" shops as you want to, and they sell lots of other "on demad" items so you can sell T-shirts and posters and such.
ronnie71	Date: July 22, 2004 @ 3:33 PM that place is overpriced... 9.00 dollars base price for a freakin CD..and its probalbly a CDR at that.. no i will get ours pressed at a factory like Discmakers where i can get a CD for 1.40....
sinai	Date: July 22, 2004 @ 10:48 PM a highlight of my musical work has been seeing someone downloaded our stuff from kazaa. course, i had it disguised as a korn track but hey, beggars cant be choosers.
bayareadrums	Date: July 28, 2004 @ 12:51 AM The only way to make money in this business is through touring and merch. CD's anymore are used in the same way as a radio single was used for years: simply to promote your band. The sooner indie and pro artists realize this, the sooner we can all move on to a new business model. Do something creative like sell them a T shirt at your show and give them a CD as incentive.
blacklieder	Date: August 21, 2004 @ 2:28 PM Okay, try to think like non -musicians for a second. If they like something, they are going to get it. If paying for it easier and more convenient than downloading it, they'll pay for it. My girl listens to the same CD over and over again until it doesn't play anymore, and then buys another one. Peer to peer is very helpful if you want to increase your fame. If you only have one fan, how many records are you going to sell, how many tickets to your concert are you going to sell, and how many t-shirts? I want everybody to know me, regardless. You can't like or hate me, if you've never heard of me.
jmweirick	Date: August 21, 2004 @ 10:28 PM @ sinai1 I can testify that fileshares do buy music, because I am one, and I did. I think, though, that the best solution is collective liscensing. The EFF did a wonderfull article telling how this can be done. It can be found at: http://www.eff.org/share/collective_lic_wp.php
wet1	Date: August 23, 2004 @ 3:50 PM At one time this particular subject would not be being talked about. The majors had the artist locked up. If you wanted to be heard, at all, then you had to sign the contract allowing them to steal your lifes' income. Since the majors had the record stores, the distrubution channels, the radio, the pressing plants, and everyone else locked up, the independant didn't get heard. Without being heard, there is no market and no money. As was mentioned above, you gotta be promoted and you gotta be heard till you get a fan base. If you believe p2p is stealing your career from you, simply don't release anything. You won't be heard but you won't be worrying about if that song played was your dollar. I am all for the artist getting paid. I am not for the highway robbery that the majors represent. As was said, p2p inspires folks to support their favorites. I buy from those I like. Since I don't and won't hear them on the radio, where am I to hear that then? Unlike many, sometimes it takes me a good while to decide if this song or that group is worth my money. Call it growing an attachment, relating to the song, seeing something in my life that connects with that verse. But just because I heard it don't mean I am going to spend my money on it. Maybe I demand more from my music than what I hear passed out for music on the commercial airwaves (don't know about others). It takes more than just notes strung together, it takes connection for the purchase. I would think I am no different than any other prospective customer. There is an old saying that you have to pay your dues to get ahead. This isn't just in the music industry but in all methods of work. Prehaps your dues are not yet paid. If you are not recieving income, it means you are not inspiring your audience. Work on it.

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