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Some shady sh** i found out about the music industry ((mainly rap))

RaXDaCapo	Date: June 28, 2004 @ 1:33 PM This message mainly pertains to those who are trying to make it in the industry. Rappers in particular.... "This is by a rapper that was signed to one of these big labels ( yeah I know...) ..i wont say who but this was also extracted from a dvd he made and took people into in dept ways of the industry so read this and understand the politics and why rap is slowly dying away originally posted by Fabulous Sport -at some crab niCCaz website (aka this isn't mine...it got lifted) This Is My Official Fu-k The Industry Dvd........ I've been signed for about 4 months now to a major label and now I wish I never started rapping, producing, or even getting into the music business, I'm going to college. You know why underground rappers never shine?? You wanna know why it's so hard to get a deal?? You wanna know why some artists can write 6-7 albums while some cats struggle to write one?? You wanna know why It's more A&R's that exists on labels than it is actual artists on the label?? You wanna know why Interscope is suppressing the whole Eminem thing?? Here Goes....... Most cats believe they can get a deal by spittin' some sick lyrics or making some good songs, wrong. You know what labels do?? A&R's don't look for artists, not at all, Labels sign around 25 artists per decade and then freeze signings. A&R's don't go look for the next big artists, they look for hit songs and writing pools and people who can sing backup vocals. A&R's aren't worried about finding artists with star quality that have interesting backgrounds, oh no, not at all. Here's how they do rappers.........Raping-U-Records artists are starting to get old and played out so they send an A&R out to find a punkass rapper who lives in a respectable area. Next, they make sure the artist is marketable, then they'll sign the artist. Now Rapper A has a record deal with no previous history of rapping, next the label will setup a front to make it look like they discovered the artist (might sign a kid first, then set it up to make it look like this kid was rapping in front of a crowd at a gas station where a highly known A&R just happened to be getting gas from). Next, they'll sit down with the artist and have this reality talk to them, explaining to them that the industry is a business and none of this is real. Now, they'll overexagerate their background and even lie about their age and where they grew up, they'll push a suburban to a harder area then they're really from. They find a an angle (pop's died, parents divorced, got shot, sold drugs, friend died) and push that angle to build the artist sentimental respect (who likes a punk who lived a perfect life??). They'll use that angle to build a story around them and how that event or events affected them. Now, they hit the studio, right?? Wrong!! Now here is what real A&R's are meant for. They'll send out their A&R's and stupid cats like me will kill to get the demo in their hands, once these A&R's have a good number of SOLICITED demo's they'll tell Rappers B, C and D to send the label some material. Rappers B, C and D think they might get a deal, so they get their demo package together with Bio, Pic's, Press Kit and the actual demo. They probably tellin' their guys that they finna get signed and ish. Wrong........ Now A&R B is at the label listening to the demos of Rapper B, C and D. A&R B doesn't care for anything but the songs. A&R B is really feeling Rapper B and D's demo's (capable hit songs) but not Rapper C. So that's when Rapper C gets the rejection letter. Now the A&R is interested in Rapper B & D's material, so they'll write them and ask them to send more material, now B & D really think they're gonna get signed. A&R B listens again and feels as if Rapper D isn't as good as he thought he was but still feels Rapper B. Now he sends a rejection letter to Rapper D. Now the contact is made with Rapper B and a meeting is set up. Sounds lovely right?? Keep Reading....A&R B and Rapper B and a few exec's have a meeting and now Rapper B is hit with REALITY. A&R B explains the real music business and gives Rapper B a choice, either walk out that door and be forever blackballed or the alternative. You remember Rapper A, right?? Rapper B has been hit with the reality that he will never be a star. Rapper B just sent in about 10 songs to A&R B which were purchased and now will be on Rapper A's album. Rapper B is now merely part of a writing pool, he will continue to make songs under the supervision of an A&R, only not for himself, for everyone else. Now Rapper B sends about 10-20 songs to Rapin-U-Records every 3 months and now Rapper A, Rapper X, Rapper J and Singer T go through Rapper B's material as well as the other hundred's of Rappers and Singers that are merely writing pools material and pick which song they want on their album. Now here is where the process takes place, Rapper A chooses 3 songs from Rapper B, 4 songs from Rapper Y and 2 songs from Singer U to make an album. Rapper A might want to do his own song so the label gives Rapper A 2 slots to do his own songs. When the album is finished, starving artists in writing pools are paid off and SILENCED. Now you can read the credits and see Rapper A's name all over, but it's to fool you, the sheep, the cats who buy the albums and the stupid chickenheads that believe anything in writing. Rapper A has candy stories and rumors started by people at the label that grow and make the Rapper more respectable, more harder and more controversial to keep the life span of Rapper A alive. Guess what?? If an A&R finds someone else who's making better songs than Rapper B, they cut him off and blackball him to keep him silenced, it's that simple, fuk what you heard and believe. Beef?? Real or fake?? Ima tell you this, more beef's in the past and present then you brainwashed muthafukaz will ever believe are fake, some are real but even then you'll believe what you want. Once Rapper A falls off (not lyrically, not songwise) marketwise, they drop them and a new era of MUSIC INDUSTRY BULLSHT arises. And that's just the rappers, I'm not even going to get into producing, all Ima say is that most of your respectable producers are merely NAMES, you believe PRODUCER B is ths ish?? PRODUCER B can produce, but how do you think they can produce so many hot songs at one time?? They don't, a label will send out A&R's to find clones (people who've been influenced and therefore have the same sound) of the producer and the same process as with Rapper's A, B, C and D will spark up with producers too. THINK ABOUT IT........ Why do think it took Twista and Memphis Bleek so long to come out again, huh?? Cuz they wanted to write their own albums and didn't want to fall victim, too bad that's not for most of the ROC. Why do you think Ali Vegas will probably never drop and even when he drops, watch what happens......Why do you think 50 Cent couldn't get a deal after Trackmasters?? How come the Bravehearts took so long?? And then didn't even get pushed, promoted or even have money put behind them?? Hey Chicago, where is 3Piece?? Why do you think both MTV MC Battles promised Def Jam and Roc-A-Fella Contracts but Reignman's on his own label and Wreckognize aint on the Roc?? How come Shawnna got shelved?? Why did Universal lie about Nelly's age?? Why did it take Jin some 2 and a half years to come out with a single?? Where the hell is Postaboy?? What did Mase get exposed to that made him choose God over Millions of dollars?? Cats know the truth and don't like it, it's that simple....... How would you like it if you've been rapping since you were 7, been hustlin demos, doing meaningless talent showcases and then you finally get a deal at age 20 and now you've become Rapper B?? The industry messes people up for real and half these cats who see the Bling Bling and girls think that's all their is, it's like finding out God doesn't really exists and now I've become Rapper B. Sht like this gets cats killed for real, the industry is shady and what you've seen on TV, them DVD's, in interviews, VH1, MTV, whatever is nothing but the "GHOST INDUSTRY" that you've been led to believe is how it is and none of you have any idea, I hate the music industry, I hate the entertainment business, I'm going to college, getting my degree and am leaving this is behind me, FUK COLUMBIA RECORDS and most of all, ya'll can SUK my DCK. To the industry heads on here, FCK U, go ahead, yeah, I've broken the silence, only the underground is real, FU*K the industry....... I'm uppin this til everyone reads it, I thought I was about live out my dream and now I've been exposed to the nightmare that is the industry. I was brainwashed, now I'm not, everything I've said in this post is the truth, anything you've heard or been led to believe is bull, this post applies to all them STUDIO wankstaz....... Cat's I know got ghostwriters and songs come from writing pools.........Fuk what you believe........ Clipse Snoop Nas D-Block Eminem Fabolous Biggie Static Joe Budden Nelly Mase Chingy Ludacris Kanye West Trick Daddy Cassidy Jay-Z Young Gunz Murphy Lee And about a bunch of cats I'm too pissed to mention right now......I'm uppin this til the world blows up, think about this ish seriously and a lot of ish will start to make more sense...... -Welcome To The Real Music Industry-"
MickeyBreezy	Date: June 28, 2004 @ 1:59 PM so do u buy in2 this shit, Capo, or is it just sumthin u thought was interestin. i gotta tell ya, that shit hit me hard. the only thing is the list of ppl at the end who this rapper says has ghostwriters, u tellin me sum1 writes em's shit 4 him...n jigga doesnt write period. the funny thing is that i have heard about a fuck the industry dvd, but cant fuckin remember who is puttin it out. if i can think of it i'll ask ya n c if its the same person.
pog	Date: June 28, 2004 @ 2:04 PM ... so pretend to have $ex with Rapper A's g/f and start a controversy... you'll get signed for doing something interesting, on your terms... If that's what you really want. IMHO that not enough ppl see the true potential of the internet... yet.
RaXDaCapo	Date: June 28, 2004 @ 3:36 PM Some of it I'm not fully sure about. But a few of those names up there I know had ghostwriters. Like Snoop and Jadakiss for a period of time. Bad Azz use to write for snoop and cassidy did a couple things for jada. The thing about ghost producing is absolutely true. I can tell you that for sure. Because a friend of mine did some tracks for a signed artist (it might have been murphy lee) The guy bought the beat off of him for 10gs and told him to keep quiet. He got no credit for the beat he sold. I dont completely by into it. I just found it interesting. Some of the names I saw up there at first kinda surprised me. Then as i thought about it, buddens, young gunz and cassidy are more mixtape rappers than album rappers and probably would have a hard time becoming mainstream artist. As for Nas, Jay-Z, Ludacris, Biggie, the rest of D-Block.. Im not really sure. LOL@ pog.. Controversy does sell. If you're the cause of controversy thats when they start whats called a "bidding war". When labels try to make the highest bid for certain artist. You have sex with rapper A's girlfriend and he disses you on the radio. All you gotta do is make a diss track yourself and leak it onto the internet. And it better be hot. Cause then, that jump starts your career and people jump to your bandwagon and rapper A will hate you and you will get signed. I guess. After reading that article it just made me think of many other ways to getting signed. And it made me definitely not want to sign to Columbia Records.
Maffmatix	Date: June 28, 2004 @ 10:15 PM Then make it as an underground rapper, get a big fan base, enjoy what you are doing, make the music YOU want to make, and feel free. Maybe you'll have to work a real job on the side, but if you're a great rapper, you can be big underground... and gain respect. You may not be a big star like some 50 Cent motherfucker, but if you're good and you work at it, you still will get much love from people accross the country. And who knows, maybe then you'll get some real commercial recognition... it's not impossible. I say for now, to anyone out there that is worried about that big description of the music industry above, just fucking do your best and have fun with it.
sqrlcub	Date: June 29, 2004 @ 11:39 AM That is why it called the music BUSINESS and not the music FRIENDS. I'd prefer to stay underground as a musician and do my own thing and make art rather than sell my soul to corporate music and do what they tell me. Totally wtih DJMaffmatix on this. The more you stay away from the major labels the less stable they become and the less garbage that will eventually come out of them.
MickeyBreezy	Date: June 29, 2004 @ 12:01 PM its kinda funny u metion that cassidy did sum work 4 jada, cuz i got "kiss of death", n thurr r a few parts that i was like, shit that sounds like sumthin cass would say, lol the thing that gets me tho, if say eminem has a supposed ghostwriter, then how come when his mom sued 4 defamation of character, he got stuck w/ havin 2 pay the settlement, a few times, yet the person who actually wrote it didnt..., it just doesnt seem feasable.
MickeyBreezy	Date: June 29, 2004 @ 12:08 PM ...n btw, COLUMBIA RECORDS has proven that it doesnt kno what the fuck they're doin, 50cent was originally a COLUMBIA artist, but the pulled the plug on his album, bcuz they didnt think he had the appeal 2 b a big name...bad call huh guys... ...COLUMBIA also dropped royce da 5'9'', bcuz they said he was "un-marketable", royce is 1 of my fav rappers, although he hasnt had the madd success of his former commrade eminem, he is still a very talented lyricist. the only thing COLUMBIA has done rite IMO, is signing NaS, argueably 1 of the best mc's off all time, but besides him, yea they're fuckin up bad.
RaXDaCapo	Date: June 29, 2004 @ 12:30 PM It's the same reason why Dre got sued for 500 million by that indian lady and not DJ Quik. Dre bought the rights to it, so since he's the one trying to make the most money off of it, instead of suing the creator, they sue the one with the deepest pockets. Whoever was Em's ghostwriter is, isn't making as much money as Eminem is. But this also works in Em's favor because its publicity. So in turn, he's gonna make more money anyway cause he's all over the TV. If his mom knew that all those things being said about her was from a ghostwriter, she would expose Eminem and he would be banned from rap for life. Don't worry Snoman, Royce will have his day. His next album should be a banger. Death is Certain to me so far is one of the best album to drop this year. Columbia is not good with rap acts. If Jay would have never dissed Nas, he probably wouldn't be on Columbia. I think Lil Flip is on Columbia too. But they didn't think much of him til Game Over came out.
100thmonk	Date: June 29, 2004 @ 2:33 PM thanks for sharin your story..
Maffmatix	Date: June 29, 2004 @ 2:46 PM Was that a sarcastic remark 100thmonk?
RaXDaCapo	Date: June 29, 2004 @ 3:23 PM And thanks for reading "my" story..
MickeyBreezy	Date: June 29, 2004 @ 11:00 PM i agree w/ u capo, 'death is certain' is an awesome album. i just still cant believe that em has a ghostwriter tho. n lil flip just has a diff stylo than what they're used 2 at COLUMBIA, i am a flip fan, but sum ppl dont c his talent.
WildcardRecords	Date: June 29, 2004 @ 11:19 PM This is bullshit. Half of the artist up there don't have ghostwriters. Get real. Some shit I can agree with, but the parts about most of those artists having ghostwriters is bullshit. All it is, is some wanna-be rapper who got shot down by a record label and has too much time on his hands.
Maffmatix	Date: June 29, 2004 @ 11:23 PM Eminem might have a ghostwriter for like a few songs but for the most part he is original.
MickeyBreezy	Date: June 29, 2004 @ 11:26 PM c i dont think he has 1 at all, theirs just no way.
Maffmatix	Date: June 29, 2004 @ 11:30 PM I agree- but I can see him havign a ghostwriter for some shitty small song that he was just featured on, as apposed to one of his OWN songs. AINT NO WAY IN HELL any of his album tracks are ghost written. That's an idiotic concept.
WildcardRecords	Date: June 29, 2004 @ 11:44 PM Clipse- I doubt it, every song they put out is about pushin n peddlin drugs, why would you need a ghostwriter for something so un-commercial. Snoop- I doubt it, he's been in the game a long time, he's still got the same style and rhyme scheme, nothings changed with him. Nas- Come on... you serious? D-Block- Once again, look at the songs they put out, not all of them are what you would call commercial rap. Has D Block even really blown up yet? I don't think so. Why ghostwrite for someone who probably never goes platinum. Eminem- I seriously doubt it. Fabolous- I used to listen to Fabolous underground, he's still got the same style, and the way he delivers is the same. I doubt it highly. Biggie- I should slap you for even putting his name. Static- I'm sorry... who? Joe Budden- Yea... right. Nelly- As much as I hate his music, I doubt it. It's commercial, yes indeed, but, I heard a few songs from underground Nelly, and he equally sucked. Mase- Come on now... Mase? Chingy- He probably does. Ludacris- Ehhh, I doubt it. Kanye West- No way. Trick Daddy- Who cares, he sucks. Cassidy- Nope. I used to listen to Cassidy when he was mad underground, he's still got the same flow, delivery, and witty punchlines. This kid ain't got no ghost. Jay-Z- lol. Yeah right. Young Gunz- I doubt it. Young Gunz have been signed to the Roc since they was 15, why are they just not gettin put out if they could've just had ghostwriters do songs for them? They write they own shit. Murphy Lee- Don't care. He sucks. Just my 2 cents.
Maffmatix	Date: June 30, 2004 @ 1:05 AM "Murphy Lee - Don't care. He sucks" hahaa
pog	Date: June 30, 2004 @ 1:20 AM So if Bad Azz worked with Snoop on a few tracks, and Cassidy with Jadakiss, does that mean they were ghostwriters, or is it possible that they were all friends, and that Snoop and Jada actually liked their work ? It's not uncommon for a big name artist to do a track with a lesser know artist to get them some play... grooverider made a whole album full of unknowns. I think that's like saying D-12 ghostwrote for Eminem, when the fact of the matter is they prolly hung out together.
RaXDaCapo	Date: June 30, 2004 @ 12:52 PM Both... It's not a rumor that Bad Azz wrote some of Snoop's verses. That's the truth. I read it in some Bad Azz interview a long while back. And some of Jada's punchlines and metaphors sound too Cassidy'ish. Snoop and Dre always did tracks with then lesser known talent like Kurupt, Daz, RBX, and other West Coast artist. But the thing is, the songs were always good.
100thmonk	Date: June 30, 2004 @ 5:17 PM no raxdacapo i worked for a label years ago in a&r and never heard of what you are talking about. i don't find myself too surprised that the industry sucks it's own dick like that though. that's what happens when accountants with not sense of the artists, have control of the labels output. people get walked on.
100thmonk	Date: June 30, 2004 @ 5:18 PM sorry, no i was not being sarcastic maffmatix.
Maffmatix	Date: June 30, 2004 @ 7:15 PM cool.. just wonderin
MickeyBreezy	Date: June 30, 2004 @ 10:48 PM wildcard, i agree w/ u on pretty much all of ur response, w/ a few xceptions. n i dont kno if u were hatin, or just statin facts, but IMO D-BLOCK is fuckin tite, all of 'em.
WildcardRecords	Date: July 1, 2004 @ 2:58 AM Nah, I wasn't sayin D-Block is weak, they got some of the hottest songs around, best lyrics around too, I was jus sayin, they're not really mainstream, so what would be the point of them even having ghostwriters if it ain't gonna even earn them any money. But, D Block is ill..
RaXDaCapo	Date: July 1, 2004 @ 4:13 PM D-Block is ill. It's usually the one that are actually good that don't really blow up.
MickeyBreezy	Date: July 1, 2004 @ 4:36 PM i.e. Royce Da 5'9''
MickeyBreezy	Date: July 1, 2004 @ 4:36 PM i.e. Royce Da 5'9''
RaXDaCapo	Date: July 1, 2004 @ 4:56 PM Most definitely
DjRiktor	Date: September 6, 2004 @ 12:06 AM The music industry is messed up. And that kinda stuff happens, no doubt. I think most times that happens is with BEATS, not lyrics. But who cares? That's what some people do. They write beats and try to push 'em. Really though, how hard is it to write the stuff anyway? It's not exactly quantum cryptography algorithms they're asking for. Not to say the stuff isn't good, it's just if you can spit it right, you can write it, too. IMO. Definitely with the eminem thing, he's been underground for a long time doin' his thing. So coming around to post a bunch of fallacy with a small amount of truth to it is a bit lame. Now if you said a little flying blue dot came in, haunted their computer screen, and wrote their lyrics.. THAT I might believe g
DjRiktor	Date: September 6, 2004 @ 12:08 AM Oh and for clarification, not saying YOU are lame, I see that you didn't persoanlly write that
TransAutobot	Date: September 6, 2004 @ 12:46 AM interesting stuff... hmmm I was listenin to some mixtape the other day i got couple weeks ago and i hard Camron on it... but there was acouple people that had the same flow and he does. And there was another guy that was admitting her ghostwrites for people, the name I was thinking of was Camron cuase you could hear the same style from both people.
Jennae	Date: September 6, 2004 @ 1:06 AM old news
TransAutobot	Date: September 6, 2004 @ 1:09 AM damn typo's like a mofo... just disreguard anything i said
Chu-Deezy	Date: September 6, 2004 @ 12:56 PM Thas some real shit mayne, thas y mothafuckas need 2 do shit old schoo, tha way NWA came up, fuck tha industry, make ya own label n slang 'em record ya'llselves. Thas how mothafuckas here n tha Bay do their shit, thas y u dun hear Quinn, Marv, Yuk, or none of 'em outside tha Bay cuz they all got they own labels n livin' large as fuck makin' they own money. As fer 2 $hort n E-40, they sell outs, they maybe successful n b nation wide known, they gets minimal props where they come from.
Bloodstaind-...	Date: September 6, 2004 @ 10:39 PM Thats what i was tryin to tell that knuckle head red14bone aka Thomas Trudel aka big poppa dyme aka The Guy That Steals Beats From Other People and Says Its His (And ya dumbass got caught) . Anyway He was braggin about how he caught a deal and shit. Thats when I had to hit his dumb ass wit reality... Its plenty of people catchin deals left and right. But how many new artist you see comin out daily? Houston about the only new artist I can remember that just came out and his shit is R-n-B, he dont spit. But theres plenty of people catchin deals cause they "spit" but do you see any of them comin out? Ma man was was walkin to the store one day and some guy that said he was lookin for new artist said ma boy had the look and all that shit. He gave him his card and that was it but my boy aint call him. He could of easily got a "deal" right? The Industry will do you dirty, they tried to do that shit to Busta when he was young, luckily he had his momma dukes lookin out for him. Its ALOT of other cats that aint so fortunate.
Bloodstaind-...	Date: September 6, 2004 @ 10:39 PM P.S. Imma be laughin at ya dumbass when they run you for ya money and take all ya shit Thomas.
Dizeazed	Date: September 7, 2004 @ 4:53 AM That story was pretty crazy... but let's say that they take 25 artists a decade, like the story stated, and then freeze the process... Why would people make such trashy A artists.... Take for instance: Bubba Sparxxx YingYang Twins Freeway Sean Paul Ja Rule ... If the "industry" was only selectin' that few artists a year... why would they waste the time of pushing names like those above... I know 100 cats who can spit, flow, and sing better then them... and if I found them... I KNOW A&R's can find them... I dunno I'd still like to be spittin' over some DRE and Timbaland beats... and if push came to shove and they tried to make me flow some Rapper B lyrics... They couldn't blackball me from goin' back to the underground... I don't get why that fool would give up music. Stick with it, just underground. But that's just me. P.S. What is that DVD called and where can I get it?
geetarman	Date: September 7, 2004 @ 7:46 AM I was a ghost writer for Warner Brothers. It's worse than he's telling you...don't start naming names for God's sake.
Sinicide	Date: September 7, 2004 @ 11:47 PM WOW NO SHIT.. YOU DONT SAY i cant believe you even posted this shit... hahaha as if we didnt know the industry was fucked up.. BUT.. i do debate the credibility of this cat who made the DVD and all these claims.. in fact one of the first lines makes my argument for me.. "This is by a rapper that was signed to one of these big labels" Hence the keyword "one"... so this cat gets signed for 4 months to ONE label and now he knows the ins and outs of the business?? sounds like bullshit to me.. Just because he got signed to a label that "brainwashed" him, that makes EVERY OTHER LABEL CORRUPT??? i dont think so as far as ghostwriters go, i wouldnt doubt it dont happen, but making claims and slandering those emcees names WITHOUT ANY PROOF whatsoever is fuckin ridiculous... sounds more like this cat is just pissed off HE didnt blow up... haha
Net-Lard	Date: September 8, 2004 @ 12:31 PM yo, as my goal in life is to become a producer, ive heard things like this, and quite frankly most of its bullshit, i admit some of that shits true, SOME industries, do have pool writers (E.G. Death Row Records), but most of them were shut down and fined. and the Emcees you put at the end, take for instance Eminem, its very obvious he doesn't have pools, mainly because he wrote Infinite, and The Slim Shady EP, before he even struck a deal!
Net-Lard	Date: September 8, 2004 @ 12:33 PM (oops didnt mean to post) carrying on.. some of the emcees at the end did have Pools, such as Snoop, why u think it takes him so long to come out with an album now? because theyve stopped pool writing as much as they can, so if ur unlucky enough to find a pool writing industry then ur getting screwed sideways!
Nitemair	Date: September 8, 2004 @ 7:05 PM uh oh, sin back. fo real though, i'm wit my boy diz, what up wit this dvd, cause this shit sounds like some straight up bullshit, and yeah i know this is months old, but shit i ain't post then and i ain't holdin my tongue no more. 1!
johnnygnote	Date: September 12, 2004 @ 1:09 PM Old as the hills, that kind of stuff has been going on in the music industry since the beginning, Nothing new it doesn't matter what genre of music it is, rock, rap, country, jazz, shady shit has been happenin, jsut get your hip boots and your shovel out if you want to be a part of the Industry. Or be an Indie and create the Indiestry
k-smoove	Date: September 14, 2004 @ 1:54 PM I agree w/ johnnygnote...
Blackkstarr	Date: September 24, 2004 @ 7:02 PM Yo with all thats been said I kinda believe some of this stuff... With pool writers. I don't know anyone that wants to actually write songs for other people. I mean who would. So they trick artist to give them songs for other artist. But I dont think most of the artist up there have pool writers. I just had an idea the pool writers maybe apart of the artists "entourage". I believe some of that is true. My ultimate goal is to become a producer and a rapper. I am using something I love like makin beats and tryin to get into the rap part through the back door ya dig? Anyway... The industry has its ups and downs and pro's and cons but what happens when Hip Hop/Rap changes? Like when this gangsta shit goes outta style, theres gonna be somethin new and the industry will ultimately have to change the way they do they biz. So thats what I'm tryin to do. Bring back real Hip Hop. Less Sampling more original beats and more dj's in the mix(Like Guru and Dj Premier(Gangstarr)). I just love hip hop and I wanna restore it from the shit its become. I mean I understand what my man was sayin with this post but most of that isn't true for all labels. In the words of a wise man... "Money makes the world go round" and if we continue to demand this garbage we hear on the radio the money is gonna have to go somewhere else. Its all about reform and change.
mrdilligence	Date: September 25, 2004 @ 2:02 PM THIS SHIT IS MAD TRUE. I KNO FROM A PRODUCERS POINT OF VIEW. I KNO PRODUCERS WHO HAVE BEEN SUCKED INTO THIS SHIT., THIS IS WHY I DONT FUCK WITH A+Rs LABELS AND THAT SHIT AND STARTED ONE MYSELF PROPS TO WHOEVER POSTED THIS. KIDS NEED TO SEE THIS SHIT AND STOP BELIEVIN ALL THAT BLING BLING HYPE HTTP://WWW.NMEWRECKIDZ.COM
wet1	Date: September 26, 2004 @ 11:28 AM If there weren't ghost writers then there would never have been a need to make an addition to a law called "works for hire". Works for hire means that if a major hires a writer to come up with a song or lyrics that it isn't the writer that gets the copywrite. It is the label.
JC123	Date: September 29, 2004 @ 9:07 AM Chingy is Ludacris's shadow. Other than that, I'll take the wait and see approach.
Yellow-905	Date: November 24, 2004 @ 10:39 PM You guys need to be more open minded. I do believe that alot of the garbage artists in the industry have ghostwriters but all in all, names should not be named without some decent evidence! Anyways, referring to "Dizeazed" who asked why garbage artists like the Ying Yang twins (didnt wanna name names...) need ghost writers is because they probably two crack heads who tried to make it in the bizz but had no talent. The truth is the label has the power to mold people. And it's not so much just the ghostwriters behind the scenes who help make the artist but it also has alot to do with the fake hype that goes around. Look how fast it took for Ja Rule to become hot then, look how fast it took him to fall off (even though 50 Cent had alot to do with this). The thing is there are so much rules and standards that the industry gives you the artist loses alot of control over their music. Their label controls them. What they write about, what they say, what they do, what they eat etc... A good example of an artist like this is Eminem. I admire this artist very much, but because of the changing times and what not he has had to change his type/subject alot. And it is true "Rapper A" usually does not have real talent. This is because the industry wants to be able to destroy what they created. And if they don't have the actual talent, the record label can get rid of them and silence them very easily. That is why underground music can be so great yet remains....underground....
chazcountry	Date: November 24, 2004 @ 10:48 PM All genres use "GHOST WRITTERS". very few 1 out of 100 write "ALL" there own stuff. Collaberation works with writers,artist, producers etc.