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backmann	Date: May 5, 2002 @ 12:13 AM This is a message at a Queen tribute site: I've just received a very unpleasant letter from EMI; as a result of that the site is currently not available. Do you want to know what was illegal on my site? The lyrics! I'm seriously considering closing my site forever because I'm disgusted by the current situation.
backmann	Date: May 5, 2002 @ 12:14 AM With this criteria, thousands of sites -including mine- should be closed.
valkyre	Date: May 5, 2002 @ 1:28 AM LMAO! They threatened legal action over LYRICS?
asskiller	Date: May 5, 2002 @ 2:19 AM here is where psychology is no longer applicable... where you just can't explain what the hell is going through someone's twisted human brain. what motivates someone to take an action like this? from what i can imagine, nobody benefits from actions like these.
mtbatol	Date: May 5, 2002 @ 4:23 PM ohhla.com :mad::mad:" id="9225">Damn, I've heard about this bull and I think that these hypocritical copyright hippies should burn in hell. I thought I heard about lyric sites becoming a possible target but I mean c'mon... YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS!!! THEY'RE LYRICS FOR GOD SAKES! NOT NO DAMN STEALING OR PIRACY!! crap, there is hell to pay if they target ohhla.com
draugluin	Date: May 5, 2002 @ 5:30 PM Oh well...the music industry is slowly dying down cause of the idiots who don't know the music community they are just out to get their greedy hands on ever cent possible.
coffinnail	Date: May 5, 2002 @ 5:58 PM If I listen to a song and write down the lyrics on a piece of paper and show it to somebody - AM I BREAKING THE LAW? I'm gonna run and hide in the dark now. The bad men are trying to get us.
TheWitchingHour	Date: June 25, 2002 @ 8:28 PM Bad buisness alienating their target audience I would think.
C-Kret-JuNe	Date: June 26, 2002 @ 5:28 PM i dont get it.... there copy writing other peoples lyrix?
milladrive	Date: June 26, 2002 @ 8:11 PM oh, scully's just a wimp.
pog	Date: June 26, 2002 @ 8:13 PM No wonder it's difficult to find words to do cover songs these days. So much for Information superhighway. More like good samaritan police blitz corner !
princess-angry	Date: June 26, 2002 @ 8:49 PM not the artists fault... queen is cool!!! and shut up riaa.. nobody cares,..,.,.,.,
Svensta	Date: June 26, 2002 @ 8:57 PM if we start writing some of our favorite lyrics in a new thread, will D-Music be culpable for that, or is that just an expression of free speech? IS there anymore free speech?
princess-angry	Date: June 26, 2002 @ 9:21 PM well fight to keep it alive!!!!
backmann	Date: June 27, 2002 @ 12:07 AM good musical taste CDC
backmann	Date: June 27, 2002 @ 12:08 AM My site is full of lyrics. I dare them to close it. I think they can't, as it's a .com.ar domain.
princess-angry	Date: June 27, 2002 @ 11:17 AM thanx!! backy
milladrive	Date: June 27, 2002 @ 12:01 PM There are tons of places on the web to get lyrics from just about any artist you can think of, including Queen. Does either EMI or Mr. Scully think that Queen lyrics are now off the web?? That Queen site was at one time one of the best (if not the best) Queen sites on the net. I feel he closed it unnecessarily, and I think if he had a single ounce of fortitude he'd open it back up immediately. Those are my thought anyway. :)" id="11886">backmann, you know we're all basically on the same side here concerning this. I mean, it's bad enuff that the industry goes after those sharing the recordings, but then they start goin' after those who share only the lyrics. ..as if the posting of lyrics is harmful to the artist's success or sumpm. Like money's bein' lost. ...feh. But you know as well as I do that Scully didn't hafta close that site down. No court has even seen his case, much less rules on it. He was threatened w/a letter from EMI because they selectively went after him based on a single letter from a "concerned fan," so without even a wimper he buckled under in order to save face with "the power." Very wimp-like, imo. There are tons of places on the web to get lyrics from just about any artist you can think of, including Queen. Does either EMI or Mr. Scully think that Queen lyrics are now off the web?? That Queen site was at one time one of the best (if not the best) Queen sites on the net. I feel he closed it unnecessarily, and I think if he had a single ounce of fortitude he'd open it back up immediately. Those are my thought anyway.
princess-angry	Date: June 27, 2002 @ 12:11 PM long live queen!!!
princess-angry	Date: June 27, 2002 @ 12:11 PM long live the fans and digtal music!!!
princess-angry	Date: June 27, 2002 @ 12:12 PM and long live the cd-da standard and long live aiwa!!!!
backmann	Date: June 28, 2002 @ 12:08 AM Well, I have mp3s also there.
Wordsense	Date: June 28, 2002 @ 6:35 AM long live vocal sampling!!!!!
JohnnyBoomBoom	Date: June 30, 2002 @ 2:59 AM Is it illegal to do covers now? Sheesh. I usually like to play one or two covers during my show... I just hope the John Denver fanged lawyers with flaming whips dont come after me for doing thank god I'm a country boy. Its a crowd favorite.
Svensta	Date: July 2, 2002 @ 9:03 AM I think live music is beyond the scope of what they mean, Johnny. You can't stop that, nor do I think they want to, unless you go to publish some covers that is, which is simply a copyright issue. I think Milla is right, there is simply no way to outlaw the sharing of LYRICS. It's simple folly, and the industry using it's reputation as being sue-happy bastards to get some operators to knuckle under.
princess-angry	Date: July 2, 2002 @ 5:30 PM you said it sven!!
JohnnyBoomBoom	Date: July 3, 2002 @ 2:56 AM I think the argument is that while Poe, or the executors of his estate, or his publishing company or whatever has only one source of making money from their art and that is the written word. Whereas, Queen does not make money off the written word really. But none the less, the law is on the side of Queen here. Not really because of the RIAA or anything, but because lyrics I'm pretty sure fall under the same category as Novels, Commercial Periodicals, and Poetry as fas as copyright goes. If I'm wrong on the law please correct me." id="12252">Legally its a grey area. Because its not legal to copy a book word for word and put it up for public viewing. But it seems like a totally different thing until you consider that its also illegal to put published poetry up for public viewing. So yeah, there is a legality issue... i guess its just thinking about where to draw the line. I mean, how can you say its wrong not to let me put a word for word reissuing of Edgar Allen Poe's "The Raven" on my website, but at the same time okay for me to put the lyrics from Queens "we are the champions" on there. I think the argument is that while Poe, or the executors of his estate, or his publishing company or whatever has only one source of making money from their art and that is the written word. Whereas, Queen does not make money off the written word really. But none the less, the law is on the side of Queen here. Not really because of the RIAA or anything, but because lyrics I'm pretty sure fall under the same category as Novels, Commercial Periodicals, and Poetry as fas as copyright goes. If I'm wrong on the law please correct me.
backmann	Date: July 4, 2002 @ 12:14 AM The thing is, it's not Queen who ordered him to take the lyrics off there, it was EMI. I know Queen does not care about it. In fact, Brian May talks regularly in a site full of his mp3s.
Your-Mom	Date: July 4, 2002 @ 10:12 PM http://www.cbc.ca/artsCanada/stories/silencea020702" id="12372">http://www.cbc.ca/artsCanada/stories/silencea020702
pog	Date: July 6, 2002 @ 9:43 PM I guess riaa figures if someone want's to learn the words to a song, they'll buy the album, and if the words are accessible, they won't buy the album. Pathetic, really. I know ppl that have been databasing lyrics for years... come to think of it, I know ppl that have been databasing the albums for years
smelv1n	Date: July 6, 2002 @ 9:57 PM ahaha, i heard about that one minute of silence thing, what about korn's follow the leader cd? they got 12 tracks, each 6 seconds long, of silence, does that infringe on batt's one minute of silence song? or because it's cut into 12 sections make it unique enough? hehehehehe your-mom are you canadian? or do you just like the cbc website?
Your-Mom	Date: July 7, 2002 @ 7:23 PM I'm not Canadian, but I read so many news sites that I just happened upon that story from the cbc site. I think I am going to make a "silence" song for every time length (in seconds) all the way up to an hour. Then I will copyright all of them. If some one uses a blank track I will sue them for copyright infringement. It won't matter what length their blank track will be because I will own a copyright on them all! MMWAAA HAAA HHAA HA!!!
smelv1n	Date: July 7, 2002 @ 9:33 PM and you can get every single person who produces a cd with the 2 second gap between songs! i wonder what cd did that first...and if that person could ask for royalties from every cd produced with the gap between songs.
pog	Date: July 7, 2002 @ 11:15 PM It'd be really easy to distribute your silence songs too
Your-Mom	Date: July 8, 2002 @ 4:39 PM Actually you are listening to my songs right now.
Your-Mom	Date: July 8, 2002 @ 4:41 PM My personal favorite is "silence #83" (the 39 second version).
Psyence131	Date: July 8, 2002 @ 6:17 PM sick
Svensta	Date: July 8, 2002 @ 8:13 PM Hey, Your-Mom, can I do a remix of Silence 41 ?
smelv1n	Date: July 8, 2002 @ 8:59 PM it's legal to sample like 3 seconds of a song correct? take a popular song, sample 3 seconds of it, put in a 0.000001 second rest, sample another 3 seconds..hehehe
pog	Date: July 9, 2002 @ 1:32 AM I've memorised to words to Silence 7, hey... checkit Tm
pog	Date: July 9, 2002 @ 1:33 AM Oh am I in trouble now... I published the words to Silence 7
GrooveTonic	Date: September 1, 2002 @ 12:03 AM haha I've never heard a song that didn't use lyrics or a topic that hasn't been already done... rofl copryight. (-;. Someone should patent gansta rap or love songs lol!
mtbatol	Date: September 2, 2002 @ 2:55 PM "topic that hasn't been already done..." "i wonder what cd did that first..." "those who share only the lyrics. .." For your information I've made typing with three dots after a word so popular that I NOW OWN THE RIGHTS TO DO SO!!! pog, groove, and milla to name a few ALL OWE ME ROYALTIES!!! Try to reason all you want I see that alot of you pirating typers on this site do the "..." many times being ignorant to the fact that I AM NOT BEING PAID!!! YOU ALL MAKE ME SICK!!! I am willing to settle for a grand total of 5.2 million dollars from this site using my creative "..." thingies so PAY UP NOW OR TALK TO MY LAWYER!!! "..." dot thingies Copyright ©1870-2002 All Rights Reserved." id="17241">"I in trouble now... " "topic that hasn't been already done..." "i wonder what cd did that first..." "those who share only the lyrics. .." For your information I've made typing with three dots after a word so popular that I NOW OWN THE RIGHTS TO DO SO!!! pog, groove, and milla to name a few ALL OWE ME ROYALTIES!!! Try to reason all you want I see that alot of you pirating typers on this site do the "..." many times being ignorant to the fact that I AM NOT BEING PAID!!! YOU ALL MAKE ME SICK!!! I am willing to settle for a grand total of 5.2 million dollars from this site using my creative "..." thingies so PAY UP NOW OR TALK TO MY LAWYER!!! "..." dot thingies Copyright ©1870-2002 All Rights Reserved.
smelv1n	Date: September 2, 2002 @ 3:20 PM fuck...
GrooveTonic	Date: September 2, 2002 @ 7:48 PM ...you Did I take the words right out of your mouth? heheh.
mtbatol	Date: September 2, 2002 @ 9:33 PM What???!??!?!? OMG THAT'S ILLEGAL!! I told yall the law and now you disobey me?!?!?!?!?!!!! FEEEEEEEEEEEELL MY WRAAAAAATH!!!
Svensta	Date: September 2, 2002 @ 10:01 PM ...so I will just START all my phrases with an ellipse ...instead of ending them ...cause you don't own that yet
mtbatol	Date: September 2, 2002 @ 10:21 PM Well under law I still own anything with an ellipse thingy a ma jiggie so you still owe me Svensta!!! And for all you pirates I gladly take PayPal payments so pay up
oat	Date: September 3, 2002 @ 2:11 PM The inspiration for this whole line of thought began a little over two years ago on a trip to Europe. One morning in Rome, my traveling companion Ian, commented on the city. "Eight million people and no middle management. " This observation struck me. Did some investigating, and found that the large majority of the small business was privately owned by the very people who work there. There are easily 200,000 viable small owner/operator stores of all varieties, that estimate may be insanely low. I thought about this and looked at the Fiat factory down the street, actually small business living in tandem with corperate counterparts. This is true through out much of modern Europe. Small business that doesn't grow is encouraged because it creates a stable base for local economies, this is a key quality of life issue. They are a shield from the tribulations of the economic giants. As this applies to the American music industry; now more than ever musicians have the tools neccesary to go directly to their fans with their art, and an honest price tag. This is very important for the large majority of us who are not bound for world fame and major label success. We however, with a little forethought, still build a sustainable business around our music. The few billion dollars that the industry giants have fumbled in the last year need to be recovered by the indies. Building community and communication are key in this effort. The end result is a quality of life issue. There is enough money being spent on enetertainment today to support a whole hell of a lot of us, but the system has to be a stable healthy one. The Netherlanders teach their children a concept called pillarization. Simply stated it is the belief that one must be tolerant and supportive of others because each group of people is a pillar that supports the whole. An easy lesson to be learned for a country with so many of it's colonial holdings still intact. Built within this idea is the guilds. A common bond between workers at all levels within their industry to mantain quality, and benifit. The rise of independents through online media is a good sign that the music monster is starting to heal itself, becoming stronger through diversification. In the long run good for all of us even the Britneys. For this industry to thrive as a whole it needs to be profitable from top to bottom. Take a bit of the industry back to the cottage, it's the right thing to do. " id="17303">In enviromental studies we find the idea of ecosystems, multitudes of plants and animals having niched themselves into a system of complex interdependancy. We have seen from this that homogeanous systems are weaker than diversified systems. This limiting factor applies in business also. The drive for constant growth intrinsic in the American business model is in this writers opinion over applied. It has led to a more centralization in the music industry than ever, weakening the products, expending tremendous financial resources on things like "American Idol", and losing ground each year. This is not a healthy industry. The inspiration for this whole line of thought began a little over two years ago on a trip to Europe. One morning in Rome, my traveling companion Ian, commented on the city. "Eight million people and no middle management. " This observation struck me. Did some investigating, and found that the large majority of the small business was privately owned by the very people who work there. There are easily 200,000 viable small owner/operator stores of all varieties, that estimate may be insanely low. I thought about this and looked at the Fiat factory down the street, actually small business living in tandem with corperate counterparts. This is true through out much of modern Europe. Small business that doesn't grow is encouraged because it creates a stable base for local economies, this is a key quality of life issue. They are a shield from the tribulations of the economic giants. As this applies to the American music industry; now more than ever musicians have the tools neccesary to go directly to their fans with their art, and an honest price tag. This is very important for the large majority of us who are not bound for world fame and major label success. We however, with a little forethought, still build a sustainable business around our music. The few billion dollars that the industry giants have fumbled in the last year need to be recovered by the indies. Building community and communication are key in this effort. The end result is a quality of life issue. There is enough money being spent on enetertainment today to support a whole hell of a lot of us, but the system has to be a stable healthy one. The Netherlanders teach their children a concept called pillarization. Simply stated it is the belief that one must be tolerant and supportive of others because each group of people is a pillar that supports the whole. An easy lesson to be learned for a country with so many of it's colonial holdings still intact. Built within this idea is the guilds. A common bond between workers at all levels within their industry to mantain quality, and benifit. The rise of independents through online media is a good sign that the music monster is starting to heal itself, becoming stronger through diversification. In the long run good for all of us even the Britneys. For this industry to thrive as a whole it needs to be profitable from top to bottom. Take a bit of the industry back to the cottage, it's the right thing to do.
thumbtack	Date: September 13, 2002 @ 7:42 PM If its lyrics, its the publishing side of EMI and whatever PRO they user ASCAP or BMI, not the label, (of course they work in cahoots), to get as much of the pie as possible. Artist signs contract, Contract requires you use their publishing as well. They get the label cut, the publisher cut, and often will change a lyric or two in your song, and then get 50% of the songwriters cut. Songwriter gets screwed on both ends, by the label. Oh yeah I forgot AACAP or BMI get a cut as well. I understand in talking with the guy that wrote "That's Life" this is a very common practice. John adds "a scobbee do be do", to a song you wrote, and then is credited as a cowriter. He gets half of your songwriter royalties. So after the split. The song that the radio paid 7 1/2 cents to play, the publisher gets half, your cut is now 3 1/4 cents but wait, now John is credited as a cowriter, and he gets half of that. So from 7 1/2 cents you've gone to a little more than 1 1/2 cents, per play