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Who is Steve Albino?

robin101	Date: September 27, 2003 @ 6:34 PM Are there really supporters here?
ashleighj	Date: September 27, 2003 @ 6:36 PM did you mean steve albini, perhaps? as for the question.. what do you mean?
robin101	Date: September 27, 2003 @ 6:41 PM As for the question, I meant - besides being mostly a mere "engineer" (or "mixing), who is Steve Albini?" id="63153">Yes, and my aplogies - "Albini" As for the question, I meant - besides being mostly a mere "engineer" (or "mixing), who is Steve Albini?
ashleighj	Date: September 27, 2003 @ 6:45 PM i'm not an expert on the subject, corrections welcome." id="63155">aside from the engineering.. a member of a group called "negativland" that (as i understand it) use sampling extensively to create their music and have some "issues", we'll say, with the state of copyright law in the u.s. i'm not an expert on the subject, corrections welcome.
monsquaz	Date: September 27, 2003 @ 6:48 PM He's a producer.
invocati	Date: September 27, 2003 @ 6:50 PM I know who Albino is ...He is a guy with white skin, red eyes, white hair ,and he corners the market in sunblock.
robin101	Date: September 27, 2003 @ 6:52 PM Yes, I understand there exist issues, but in many areas. This has been brought to my attention. Subsequently, I have found articles of a hostile nature. Considering there are minimal credits at "allmusic.com", I was curious as to why this individual has so much negativity.
monsquaz	Date: September 27, 2003 @ 6:54 PM I think he actually was just having his article published at Negativland's site, though. He's only been in three groups, with only one that currently exists today, and Negativland isn't one of the three.
Veracohr	Date: September 27, 2003 @ 7:06 PM I think he has some strong opinions about certain things in the audio engineering world that many don't agree with. I don't know what specifically, but I think that's the case.
milladrive	Date: September 27, 2003 @ 7:48 PM http://www.negativland.com/albini.html :))" id="63173">http://www.negativland.com/albini.html
Veracohr	Date: September 27, 2003 @ 10:26 PM Yeah, that link Milla posted is a good read!
Apertome	Date: September 27, 2003 @ 10:52 PM allmusic.com? What are you smoking? http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=CASS80309220122&sql =R50908#APPEAR If this link doesn't work (Allmusic's URLs are weird), go to allmusic and search for Steve Albini. Don't forget to "click here for more" under "Appears On." Few people have credit listings this long." id="63207">Minimal credits at allmusic.com? What are you smoking? http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=CASS80309220122&sql =R50908#APPEAR If this link doesn't work (Allmusic's URLs are weird), go to allmusic and search for Steve Albini. Don't forget to "click here for more" under "Appears On." Few people have credit listings this long.
robin101	Date: September 27, 2003 @ 11:20 PM "Don't forget to "click here for more" under "Appears On." "Few people have credit listings this long". Rick Iantosca Robin101 " id="63208">I am a record producer/songwriter listed on "allmusic.com" under: "Rick Iantosca". I'm smoking Marlboro lights. "Don't forget to "click here for more" under "Appears On." "Few people have credit listings this long". Rick Iantosca Robin101
ashleighj	Date: September 27, 2003 @ 11:27 PM funny that, i'm actually juliana hatfield.
robin101	Date: September 27, 2003 @ 11:52 PM Rick Iantosca" id="63210">I am serious. I'm no big deal, just a record producer who asked a question. You can call my home studio anytime. I'm always in it. The number is: (732) 477-9363. I've got nothing to hide. So, "juliana" try me. Rick Iantosca
ashleighj	Date: September 27, 2003 @ 11:53 PM
robin101	Date: September 28, 2003 @ 12:01 AM Rick Iantosca" id="63212">Ok then, here's my Email: "beach033053@comcast.net". I will respond. My name is obviously on my Email. Do you think that could be made up at 11:59 PM on a Saturday night? Get real now. Rick Iantosca
Apertome	Date: September 28, 2003 @ 12:04 AM LOL, Marlboro Lights, ewww.
ashleighj	Date: September 28, 2003 @ 12:09 AM you must think i'm very gullible. sorry to disappoint you.
robin101	Date: September 28, 2003 @ 12:10 AM Rick Iantosca (Robin101)" id="63215">Yeah, but when "ashleighj" finds out I'm for real, I may change brands. Rick Iantosca (Robin101)
robin101	Date: September 28, 2003 @ 12:21 AM What's so odd about an industry person asking a question on this site? Tyr the Email thing then. You will be quite surprised. There happen to be many industry individuals who check out these sites. It's no big deal. Rick Iantosca
ashleighj	Date: September 28, 2003 @ 12:27 AM 1. with most ISPs, it's not difficult at all to establish a new e-mail address any time you need one. 2. i find it unlikely that a record producer would need to ask who steve albini is. 3. i find it even more odd that you know how to find "your own" info on allmusic, but not mr. albini's. 4. you must not be concerned about people calling you at 3am and sending you spam. not that calling or e-mailing you would prove you're a record producer. 5. you remind me of a certain other thread where a new user is going on about how she's a talent scout, and your question had some very coincidental timing since i posted a link to steve albini's "the problem with music" article there. while i'm not convinced you two are the same person, i'm not convinced you're not. 6. much like the user in point 5, you seem overly concerned with whether or not i believe you. i've found that most people will simply shrug off disbelievers when they're telling the truth. please, feel free to reply. you'll probably give me even more material to work with!" id="63220">"robin101": 1. with most ISPs, it's not difficult at all to establish a new e-mail address any time you need one. 2. i find it unlikely that a record producer would need to ask who steve albini is. 3. i find it even more odd that you know how to find "your own" info on allmusic, but not mr. albini's. 4. you must not be concerned about people calling you at 3am and sending you spam. not that calling or e-mailing you would prove you're a record producer. 5. you remind me of a certain other thread where a new user is going on about how she's a talent scout, and your question had some very coincidental timing since i posted a link to steve albini's "the problem with music" article there. while i'm not convinced you two are the same person, i'm not convinced you're not. 6. much like the user in point 5, you seem overly concerned with whether or not i believe you. i've found that most people will simply shrug off disbelievers when they're telling the truth. please, feel free to reply. you'll probably give me even more material to work with!
robin101	Date: September 28, 2003 @ 12:35 AM I'm innoocent here. Just playing. I am who I say I am, try the Email. I dislike using the word "I" so much. It is illegal to use anothers name and personal info on the net. Sorry you feel that way, Rick Iantosca & Family" id="63224">It is not 3 AM where I am. I do know who Steve Albini is. I got this info from "stizz". I'm innoocent here. Just playing. I am who I say I am, try the Email. I dislike using the word "I" so much. It is illegal to use anothers name and personal info on the net. Sorry you feel that way, Rick Iantosca & Family
robin101	Date: September 28, 2003 @ 12:42 AM Rick I." id="63225">Also, I will be at Ms. Thomas's "Rock Expo" in November along with my wife and my partner. Rick I.
ashleighj	Date: September 28, 2003 @ 12:52 AM look at the title of this thread that you started. it's called "who is steve albino?" [sic]. i think that qualifies as asking who he is. i'm not aware of a law that prohibits you from impersonating someone, but let's assume there is. so what? people break laws every day. c'mon, any more ammo you want to pass out? :lmao:" id="63227">you make my case for me, yet you fail to see it! and i didn't say it's 3am now. sooner or later, it will be. once more, having an e-mail address proves nothing whatsoever. if i felt like it, i could set up an e-mail address like "chelseaclinton2003@earthlink.com" and make the name field say "chelsea clinton". doesn't mean i'm chelsea clinton. (i might even be spelling her name wrong.) look at the title of this thread that you started. it's called "who is steve albino?" [sic]. i think that qualifies as asking who he is. i'm not aware of a law that prohibits you from impersonating someone, but let's assume there is. so what? people break laws every day. c'mon, any more ammo you want to pass out?
robin101	Date: September 28, 2003 @ 12:56 AM Im sorry you feel that way. Later, Rick Iantosca (robin101)
ashleighj	Date: September 28, 2003 @ 12:57 AM i'm sorry you're such a bad liar. take care. "both" of you. --aj
robin101	Date: September 28, 2003 @ 1:23 AM I'm not laughing at you, but I'm laughing because I swear I am no liar. This is silly, R.I." id="63233">Look "ashleighj", I'm not laughing at you, but I'm laughing because I swear I am no liar. This is silly, R.I.
Jennae	Date: September 28, 2003 @ 1:39 AM what was the question???
stizz	Date: September 28, 2003 @ 8:43 AM Rick is highly connected to many major labels such as Polygram Records Atlantic Records Virgin Records RCA and more! Rick is agreeable to shop any bands that have the rediness and talent and proves they are ready for the major industry. For more info..go to http://www.allmusic.com or http://allmusic.com Just type his name in the search window "RICK IANTOSCA" Gee Rick....It's a shame that when the real thing comes around, and I guess they rarely do on these boards, that these kids don't recognize it. Oh well......" id="63251">I already did, in the other post..but here's a formal introduction. Rick has worked with well-known major artists, and has produced, engineered, and featured on many major recordings. The following list is credited to Iantosca's work in the major industry. Kool & The Gang - Robert "Kool" Bell - Aretha Franklin - Curtis "Fitz" Williams - Dennis "D.T" Thomas - Kendal Stubbs - Ronald Bell - Jim Bonnefond - Clifford Adams - Paul Higgins - George "Funky" Brown - Charles Smith - Michael Ray - Robert "Spike" Mickens - Khalis Bayyan - Jimmy Cliff - Jimmy Maelen - James "J.T." Taylor - Starleana Young - Narada Michael Walden - Leon Bryant - Hall & Oats - Billy Joe Royal - Ruffin & Kendricks - Denroy Morgan. Rick is highly connected to many major labels such as Polygram Records Atlantic Records Virgin Records RCA and more! Rick is agreeable to shop any bands that have the rediness and talent and proves they are ready for the major industry. For more info..go to http://www.allmusic.com or http://allmusic.com Just type his name in the search window "RICK IANTOSCA" Gee Rick....It's a shame that when the real thing comes around, and I guess they rarely do on these boards, that these kids don't recognize it. Oh well......
stizz	Date: September 28, 2003 @ 9:04 AM 4. you must not be concerned about people calling you at 3am and sending you spam. " id="63252">Sorry Ashligh/Juliana looks like you did insinuate it was "3AM". 4. you must not be concerned about people calling you at 3am and sending you spam.
stizz	Date: September 28, 2003 @ 9:59 AM I think you're very confused and bitter." id="63256">Ashliegh States: "You must think i'm very gullible. sorry to disappoint you." I think you're very confused and bitter.
robin101	Date: September 28, 2003 @ 10:37 AM Anyway, I have not even listened to "ashleighj's" music as of yet. I was simply in amazment that I was drawn into attempting to identify myself. Actually, I'm a bit impressed that a mere record producer would appear so "un-touchable" (or something). Does this mean I'm famous or something? Hmmm, maybe I could learn to have one of those "I'm too cool" attitudes. Thanks forthe assist, Rick By the way...think the "j" in "ashleighj" is really: "Jennae"? " id="63259">Thank you, Ms. Thomas. That was really a frustrating but silly experience. Of course I agree with the collect call thing. It would be worth it just to make a point. By the way, I don't hold it against her. With all of the rediculous things that come up on the boards once in a while, I suppose being skeptical is understandable. Actually, I was trying to finish watching the "McCartney in Moscow" concert on TV during that "one way" conversation. Did you happen to watch that, by the way? Very intense breakthrough for the Russians. Anyway, I have not even listened to "ashleighj's" music as of yet. I was simply in amazment that I was drawn into attempting to identify myself. Actually, I'm a bit impressed that a mere record producer would appear so "un-touchable" (or something). Does this mean I'm famous or something? Hmmm, maybe I could learn to have one of those "I'm too cool" attitudes. Thanks forthe assist, Rick By the way...think the "j" in "ashleighj" is really: "Jennae"?
leflaw	Date: September 28, 2003 @ 10:41 AM We are reviewing the propriety of the following post and whether it violates the terms of service. ------------------------
leflaw	Date: September 28, 2003 @ 10:41 AM Peace. Hope to hear from you soon. " id="63261">(Delete) Subject: Re: Who is Steve Albino? Date: September 28, 2003 @ 10:38 AM Subject: Re: Who is Steve Albino? Date: September 28, 2003 @ 9:56 AM To Ashliegh..give Rick and/or me a call. If you're that strong in you're beliefs that me and Rick are frauds, then confront us. When you finally realize that we are genuine, well..the rest would be up to you. Our numbers are: RICK (732)477-9363 MS. THOMAS (203) 789-8529 Hey Rick....She made a statement about wasting money on a phone bill. Is it possible she can call you collect???? (If she's brave enough to call) Right now, I see more excuses to cover up her fears of finding she will be wrong about everything she has said. Tell you what Ashliegh, call us and we will speak three ways ( Conference call). That should clear up the "two personality/one in the same" issue. Peace. Hope to hear from you soon.
ashleighj	Date: September 28, 2003 @ 10:45 AM geeze, you just won't give up. when i said you weren't worried about people calling at 3am or sending you spam, i simply meant that posting your phone number and e-mail address in public invites that sort of thing. but if you're so desperate to say i'm wrong about something, then fine. go ahead. i don't think you understand that calling you on the phone would prove absolutely nothing whatsoever. going back to my previous example, i could give you a phone number and pretend i'm chelsea clinton. but no matter how convincingly i can talk the talk, i'm not her. but hey, keep giving me ammo. you're working so hard to convince me you're real, that you've forgotten everyone else. and they're starting to see my point, you know?
robin101	Date: September 28, 2003 @ 10:56 AM For my own reasons, I tend to lend an assist here and there (no cost, of course), to the striving artist. I could be of benefit to the site and respectfully request that I be given the opportunity to do so. I can't help it if one of the members finds it difficult to believe my identity. You could call as well. I get calls & Email from many sites. As long as they are under control, I keep my studio number what it is. If worse ever came to worse, I'd simply change it. I also thank Ms Thomas for the assist. My intentions are genuine. I don't think it would be fair to evaluate this as a propriety issue just because I am a rrecord producer within the industry. Respectfully, Rick Iantosca (Robin101)" id="63263">Dear leflaw, I am who I say I am. I do not understand where the skeptical and alightly hostile behavior came from. I simply joined. You have my true identity as well - which is "Rick Iantosca". All I did was ask a question. Ihad my reasons (although I never did have the opportunity to elaborate this board). For my own reasons, I tend to lend an assist here and there (no cost, of course), to the striving artist. I could be of benefit to the site and respectfully request that I be given the opportunity to do so. I can't help it if one of the members finds it difficult to believe my identity. You could call as well. I get calls & Email from many sites. As long as they are under control, I keep my studio number what it is. If worse ever came to worse, I'd simply change it. I also thank Ms Thomas for the assist. My intentions are genuine. I don't think it would be fair to evaluate this as a propriety issue just because I am a rrecord producer within the industry. Respectfully, Rick Iantosca (Robin101)
robin101	Date: September 28, 2003 @ 11:16 AM To the Forum: I would appreciate being able to participate in discussion of relevent issues, given the opportunity. My apologies for the amount of this silly conversation. Once this is cleared up, I would like nothing better than to be able to participate. Thanks for any support, Rick Iantosca (Robin101
leflaw	Date: September 28, 2003 @ 11:52 AM Discuss away. Just don't solicit.
robin101	Date: September 28, 2003 @ 12:39 PM Thank you. My intentions were not and are not to solicit. I would just like to enjoy the forum. I would like to thank you for your time and effort. Sincerely, Rick Iantosca (Robin101)
leflaw	Date: September 28, 2003 @ 1:49 PM iriemon.dmusic.com Also have you heard Dmusic radio ? " id="63271">No Problem, Mon. Check out iriemon.dmusic.com Also have you heard Dmusic radio ?
leflaw	Date: September 28, 2003 @ 2:30 PM robin101, if you produced that marvelous Kendricks and Ruffin album ( who I had the pleasure of representing on the late 1980's ), then WELCOME ABOARD.
Jennae	Date: September 28, 2003 @ 3:14 PM :rollseyes: yeah that's it... I have nothing better to do with my time that to impersonate as ashleighj :rollseyes: I say what I say as who I am ALWAYS! I dont need another alias to tell you what I think thank you. Don't be so quick to assume. I asked one question: "what was the question???" meaning that that question had been already answered and that the thread topic was off on a tangent. any other accusations you'd like to assume? " id="63277">"By the way...think the "j" in "ashleighj" is really: "Jennae"? " yeah that's it... I have nothing better to do with my time that to impersonate as ashleighj I say what I say as who I am ALWAYS! I dont need another alias to tell you what I think thank you. Don't be so quick to assume. I asked one question: "what was the question???" meaning that that question had been already answered and that the thread topic was off on a tangent. any other accusations you'd like to assume?
robin101	Date: September 28, 2003 @ 4:40 PM There were several in the late 80's leflaw. I wrote Downtown Life with Hall & Oates, I did an Aretha thing and I think that was the end of Kool & the Gang with the "Emergency Lp. I thought "Bill" represented David and Eddie on Ruffin & Kendricks by the way. Actually, their were no representatives present during the David & Eddie album. I was working for Delight at that time and was asked to write only two songs for them by Mottola via Delightful Music (DELITE RECORDS). The D & E record was on RCA. I got stuck at first producing the 2 songs I wrote. When Ronnie McNeir jumped ship (along with others), I got stuck with the completion of most of the record. Mottola must have been involved because of the previous H&O Live At The Apollo thing. Eventually, however, John Oates and I ended up co-producing: One More For the Lonely Hearts Club on the album.
robin101	Date: September 28, 2003 @ 4:42 PM That "Bill" is your own "Bill Evans" by the way (or so I understood it.
robin101	Date: September 28, 2003 @ 4:42 PM That "Bill" is your own "Bill Evans" by the way (or so I understood it.
robin101	Date: September 28, 2003 @ 4:50 PM And thank you very much leflaw as I am very happy to be aboard. You see, as a producer I spend a lot of time inside the room (obviously). It is few & far between that we have the time to meet the representatives and/or management so...nice to meet you. I gather you and Bill have worked together in the past. He's a cool guy, I take it you must be alright also.
stizz	Date: September 28, 2003 @ 5:32 PM Happy to see there's harmony finally here. Love and Peace to you all. Ms. Thomas
thumbtack	Date: September 28, 2003 @ 6:12 PM robin101, I've never represented anyone in the music biz, there are a lot of people named Bill Evans...no probem I get asked a lot if I'm Bill Evans the piano player..I can't carry a tune in a bucket with a lid on it...I'l too uncoordinated to play any instrument..
robin101	Date: September 28, 2003 @ 7:00 PM It would only be appropriate for someone like leflaw to respond to that. Sorry Robin101
TameasDust	Date: September 28, 2003 @ 7:23 PM i don't know steve albino, of course i'm not in the music bizz. as for proving who someone is or is not, i usually take it on faith. if the person is not who they say they are makes no difference really. sides he could just be askin if people know who this person is so he can get an idea of how knowledgeable the DMusic community is.
leflaw	Date: September 28, 2003 @ 8:04 PM Date: September 28, 2003 @ 7:16 PM I represented Kendricks Ruffin and Edwards in their dispute with the Temptations trademark owner, Motown , who had licensed it to Otis. Bill Evans wasn't involved.
robin101	Date: September 28, 2003 @ 8:12 PM Thanks for the clarification leflaw. Robinhood101
Svensta	Date: September 28, 2003 @ 9:39 PM If you are Juliana Hatfield, then where are the other two?
Jennae	Date: September 29, 2003 @ 2:03 AM I'm a hatfield
Apertome	Date: September 29, 2003 @ 4:41 PM I am mux. I know you probably don't believe me, but I am.
milladrive	Date: September 29, 2003 @ 6:01 PM @mux
ashleighj	Date: September 29, 2003 @ 6:07 PM ...if mux is who you really are!
Apertome	Date: September 29, 2003 @ 6:12 PM muahahahaha
robin101	Date: September 29, 2003 @ 6:21 PM Look, since leflaw owns the thread, ask him if I'm for real. He would know. Anyway, I am one record producer who is not amused by the major labels. That's why I became interested in this board. Both leflaw and Bill Evans (owner), know who I am. You may be surprised at some contributions I could make at the BB. -And leflaw, as you must already be aware that I spoke to Bill at length yesterday. Could you lend me an assist her and verify? If that doesn't work, I guess I'm out of here. By the way, ashleighj, my intention was not to insult you. Regards, Rick
leflaw	Date: September 29, 2003 @ 6:24 PM You are here and you are welcome to stay.
Apertome	Date: September 29, 2003 @ 6:25 PM BTW, it should be made clear that AshleighJ does not speak for the rest of us. I give you the benefit of the doubt, and I'd guess most other people here do as well.
robin101	Date: September 29, 2003 @ 6:36 PM Thank, I truly do appreciate that. I use my own name in order that my credentials can be verified. That's no big deal, but I can (at whatever point), answer some real questions regarding the industry in its true and awful existence. Again, thanks. Rick Iantosca robin101
milladrive	Date: September 29, 2003 @ 6:47 PM For the record, I haven't gotten involved. I trust Bill and lef. I merely found mux's comment humorous.
ashleighj	Date: September 29, 2003 @ 6:51 PM ummmm, duh? ;) seriously, i hope people make up their own minds. blindly believing me is no better (or no worse) than blindly believing stizz and robin101. and not everyone will see it the way i do. "and I'd guess most other people here do as well" careful, you almost asserted yourself to be "speaking for the rest of us". :o but hey, no hard feelings. :hug: life's no fun if no one thinks i'm wrong sometimes. :)" id="63483">hey mux, "it should be made clear that AshleighJ does not speak for the rest of us" ummmm, duh? seriously, i hope people make up their own minds. blindly believing me is no better (or no worse) than blindly believing stizz and robin101. and not everyone will see it the way i do. "and I'd guess most other people here do as well" careful, you almost asserted yourself to be "speaking for the rest of us". but hey, no hard feelings. life's no fun if no one thinks i'm wrong sometimes.
Apertome	Date: September 29, 2003 @ 6:54 PM LOL here's some more fun for ya ;)" id="63484">It seems obvious, but it's not obvious that robin101 interpreted it that way. And I clearly said "I'd guess" that most other people do. I'm not asserting anything, I'm guessing. LOL here's some more fun for ya
ashleighj	Date: September 29, 2003 @ 7:08 PM while i'm posting.. although i won't apologize for the statement because i believed (and still believe) it to be true, i will acknowledge that i may have been out-of-line when i said "i'm sorry you're such a bad liar" to robin101 without a solid factual basis. a minor point, yes, but i feel better having made it. :)" id="63486">as i said.. "almost". while i'm posting.. although i won't apologize for the statement because i believed (and still believe) it to be true, i will acknowledge that i may have been out-of-line when i said "i'm sorry you're such a bad liar" to robin101 without a solid factual basis. a minor point, yes, but i feel better having made it.
robin101	Date: September 29, 2003 @ 7:21 PM Dear ashleighj, I completely understand your skepticism. I suppose it is a bit odd that someone in the industry would just pop up out of nowhere. The truth of the matter is that even though I have produced for the majors, it doesn’t necessarily mean I’m into it. I have found that this board (as well as others similar to it), are the “real deal”. Consequently I enjoy these forums. I learn a lot. Somewhere, somehow, someone must have really given you a bad taste of the industry. I’m not one of them. I am on the side of the independent. I listen to the music a lot and I feel that a lot of it is brilliant. That’s probably because no one is kissing the major labels’ asses. I am not happy with the s*** that’s out there., which is mostly why I find these forums interesting. In time, when you realize I can be a help rather than a hindrance, you may modify your attitude. I hope that somehow, through posts on this board, you would take it a bit easier on me. “leflaw” would have been the first person to call me out if I was a liar. Think about it. Well, I’m finished defending myself to you. Maybe by my wording in this post you will open your mind a bit more and believe me. That would be a good thing. There are way more important things to discuss. This site is large and growing and I intend to be part of it. It is the way to the future of music. All good things to you, Rick Iantosca (Robin101)
ashleighj	Date: September 29, 2003 @ 8:31 PM i do not believe that you are who you claim to be, and i do not believe that ms. williams is who she claims to be, albeit for different reasons. this is unlikely to change. as for leflaw.. he seems to prefer staying out of this, and i can't say that i blame him. but if he were to back up your claims, i still wouldn't believe you. i've said that no one should blindly believe either me or you, that people should make up their own minds -- do you think i would blindly believe leflaw when everything else i see argues the opposite? but you're right, this has been quite enough indeed. tell you what. to make up for my comment that was probably out of line, i'll let you have the last word here. i'm done. fair enough? wonderful. :) --ash" id="63493">you know, i actually don't find it odd that someone from "the industry" would be here. what i have trouble believing is that a record producer who is mostly into rock music and is a contact of a talent scout would need to ask who steve albini is. i have trouble believing you'd know how to find your own info on allmusic, but not mr. albini's. i have trouble believing that you'd be drawing attention to yourself, especially considering the obvious anti-industry sentiments that many people here have. and i have trouble believing that someone affiliated with a talent scout (who claims to be "indie") for an agency that deals with a subsidary of a major label is truly "for the independents". i do not believe that you are who you claim to be, and i do not believe that ms. williams is who she claims to be, albeit for different reasons. this is unlikely to change. as for leflaw.. he seems to prefer staying out of this, and i can't say that i blame him. but if he were to back up your claims, i still wouldn't believe you. i've said that no one should blindly believe either me or you, that people should make up their own minds -- do you think i would blindly believe leflaw when everything else i see argues the opposite? but you're right, this has been quite enough indeed. tell you what. to make up for my comment that was probably out of line, i'll let you have the last word here. i'm done. fair enough? wonderful. --ash
leflaw	Date: September 29, 2003 @ 10:39 PM Its "ALBINI"
robin101	Date: September 29, 2003 @ 11:56 PM Yes leflaw, I was aware of that before I even posted. The mis-spelling was a lure, and it obviously worked. I don't know Steve, but I became aware of his mostly engineering credits. I've also read some of his writing. I've been in this business for 22 years. I can read between the black & white lines. I gave blood in order to gain my credits and dislike when engineers purport to be more than what they really are - mostly frustrated with the industry (and most likely for good reason). However, I was curious to find out about the negativity Ms. Thomas was facing here. I found out big time. Anything that I do (outside the industry in assisting artists), is verifiably without financial gain in any way. That includes Ms. Thomas. It also includes anything I have promised to Bill Evans re: dmusic. I'm on -board. Just wanted to get an idea of what I was up against. I found out - no problem. I suppose I raised a little hell, but it was anticipated. I can't name other names (as it would obviously be inappropriate), but I am familiar with the type. I just have a “thing” about that kind of outlook. There exist plenty of these types out there. With a little bit of thought, inspiration and bifurcation These “engineer” types get over - just not with me. I take it personally as I have earned my credits. No harm intended. As stated, I’m on-board. Just needed to make a point. Sincerely, Rick Iantosca Robin101
robin101	Date: September 30, 2003 @ 12:16 AM You know, come to think about it, this is a good subject. Even “outside the industry” there exists the counterfeit. Before long, the “all-unknowing followers” believe. This is un-thinkable to me. This is what adds to making it even more difficult for the “striving” to get anywhere. “Truth” is where it’s at, and that is the bottom line. Maybe that is the crux of this discussion. Rick
stizz	Date: September 30, 2003 @ 10:33 AM Excellent points Rick...I'm very proud of you!
Svensta	Date: September 30, 2003 @ 6:03 PM For the record, I don't think there are any real hatfields here. Also, I don't think there are any genuine Thompson Twins, or any of those Timbuckthree people.

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