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robin101	Date: November 11, 2003 @ 11:20 PM Get ready for some really big liars in the record industry. I am about to post "BIG LIES" which exist within the record industry. Nothing stated can be called libel or slander, as I hold the "work tapes". Too bad for the "liars". I personally don't care who gets embarrassed. Rick Iantosca (Robin101)
Dizeazed	Date: November 12, 2003 @ 2:26 AM Bring it on... I'm ready to listen!
robin101	Date: November 12, 2003 @ 5:12 AM There are many. I'm not sure where to start. Let's try a group called "Kool & the Gang". Let me think before I make you wonder if the producers were the producers, and if the band itself really played on their hits like: "Joanna", "Fresh", "Cherish", "Misled" and...wow, the set list is becoming rather long. I need to think about this band for a bit more before I say anything more.
robin101	Date: November 12, 2003 @ 12:01 PM Anyone want me to continue? I'm up for it.
robin101	Date: November 14, 2003 @ 10:26 AM Hall & Oates areanother joke with their "credits". I've written with them. There is a good reason why they've simply "flopped". It's because they cannot produce themselves.
ChillinBuzz	Date: November 14, 2003 @ 10:31 AM "performers" or "puppets" to someone else's material - isnt this modern day music also? except the music back then had more taste (and thats saying something considering the fashion sense they had back then)
furiousBall	Date: November 14, 2003 @ 12:28 PM ok, let's hear it
GeneHilbert	Date: November 14, 2003 @ 3:54 PM Aye..... 2nd the motion
ronnie71	Date: November 14, 2003 @ 4:19 PM yes lets ... also no matter what time period you go too there will always be artist and performers of music.
robin101	Date: November 14, 2003 @ 5:44 PM Yor're right Ronnie, but I'm talking about the ones that actually lie about it. The second one is Hall & Oates. True, they sing very well, but...they lie about their credits on albums (as to their contributions), for nothing less than an ego boost. I've written with them several times and know what they are not capable of. Don't get me wrong. I like them but...without people like Bob Clearmountain or players like myself working on their songs, their finished. Their last bunch of albums suggest this. More to come...
ronnie71	Date: November 14, 2003 @ 6:35 PM Hall and Oates ... was like Milli Vanilli.
leflaw	Date: November 14, 2003 @ 7:18 PM I Love this!!!!
ronnie71	Date: November 14, 2003 @ 7:54 PM Oh tell me you wrote Rich Girl... that is one of my favorite's by them.. "Baby you a rich girl and you gone to far, but really dont matter anyway. You can rely on the old mans money, you can rely on the ole mans money." I tell you i havent heard that song in years. That is a sighn of how good o asong is if you can remember the chorus and its been years since one has listened to it. Well dont mean how good but how catchy or stickky something is. Rick tell me you wrote that song that would be awesome.
Svensta	Date: November 15, 2003 @ 1:18 AM Well, this is a debate on songwriter versus performer? Honestly, if you are the controlling force for a song, and you want to credit yourself, and make the other people happy, who cares who has the credit? Was Frank Sinatra and Elvis comparable to Milli Vanilli? They both had song written and arranged specifically for them, getting credit for those songs, when all they really did was sing them and take 'ownership' through force of performance.
robin101	Date: November 15, 2003 @ 5:01 AM This is not about songwriting. It is about: "Milli Vanillis". I've got my songwriting credits, but I'm discussing people I've worked with who do less than you may think. There are more...wanna know? (...and no Ronnie I did not write that song: "Rich Girl", but I wish I did).
ronnie71	Date: November 15, 2003 @ 5:02 AM yeah this is fun....
Arthen	Date: November 16, 2003 @ 11:18 AM that's exactly what i hate about the industry, specially the new players in pop.
robin101	Date: November 17, 2003 @ 10:20 PM I'm with you there.
Jennae	Date: November 18, 2003 @ 4:12 AM well I think we need to create our OWN industry and the whole lot of them just my
KevBrock	Date: December 7, 2003 @ 11:46 AM All the national music industry cares about is money. They don't really care about the music or songwriting talent when they think they do. All they care about is image and the local artist already having a huge fan base which is so sad. If the record industry knows that your band has a good image, huge potential and a huge fanbase, they'll sign you whether your music is good or not. I agree the music industry is full of lies and bullshit. Take a look at American Idol competition as an example. Do you think Kelly Clarkson or Clay Aiken would get where they are today if it wasn't for that competition? No. Having Ruben Studdard win the American Idol was a huge mistake. Of course, it was by choice of the fans by voting but still...??? It's kind of ironic how Ruben won American Idol, and yet Clay Aiken is getting more popularity than Ruben is. Also, look at the pop and hiphop/rap industry. Most of the artists are manufactured by companies and they are getting their strings pulled like puppetts. Getting signed to a major label had always been one of my dreams but I'm being very careful. I don't want to be treated as a puppett by these labels. I want to be signed to a label where I can do what I want, not what they want. So if I were to be signed to a major label in the future, I will be sure I won't become Justin Timberlake or John Mayer that's for sure.
BenRebel	Date: December 9, 2003 @ 2:24 PM Having been sign to a major label signed to Indi labels and now starting my own .. I will tell you being signed is not what its all cracked up to be .. The DEAL you sign is more important the label it self and control more important than that... I feel alot better doing my own thing working with labels as acompany than I ever did being signed..
Elu	Date: December 19, 2003 @ 12:57 PM I want to hear more about hall and oats. They were on TV not too long ago getting their ego's rubbed for all the great songs they put out... I always liked their stuff...so let if fly man...please!!!!
Pagan	Date: January 6, 2004 @ 5:30 PM at least american idol was a competition not someone sleeping with the right person or someone paying off someone else. at least these people were able to show off their vocal talent. american idol was a lot purer than many give it credit for. at least the audience decided it. not some fat cat with too much power and not enough taste.
figfarmer	Date: January 7, 2004 @ 1:47 AM Sounds like a bit of tabloid mud slinging without getting down to details. If one goes to www.bmi.com one can look up a song to see who wrote it. One can also look up a writer to see what was written by them, And yes, Larry A. Tilander(Me.) is there.
dennytate	Date: January 15, 2004 @ 6:17 AM You mean the recording industry is NO good ! Tell us more.
robin101	Date: January 15, 2004 @ 10:03 AM Glad to see this thing came back up. There may soon be a lot more to say.
synesthesia	Date: February 25, 2004 @ 6:00 PM Just Ranting (I apologize about the babble) I know a band based in NYC that was recently signed to a major label. The bio for them that was completely false (how they met, where they were originally from ext..) they changed everything about themselves and sold their soul. The fact that they are all retro (ramones/neil young-crazy horse/whatever) helped too (many of that around). Is this all too common? Makes me want to look for new, real music--but really look--not just go to stores in the mall and such. Its up to us!! You don?t have to "sell your soul? and lie on your press kits but a band is a business just as well a creative endeavor. That?s what the some artists have to realize. Balance!
synesthesia	Date: February 25, 2004 @ 6:02 PM i meant to put those question marks there....yeah
hickryh	Date: March 24, 2004 @ 3:33 PM What pisses me off to no end is that all these companies make stuff up about their artists to make them sound interesting when there are singer/songewriter/entertainers like me out here with stories so true and yet so over the top it would sound made up! Maybe thats the secret. Did anybody ever think a record company would want to push a real gun totin thug like they try and make us think 50 cent is? So I reckon it's no wonder I don't have a decent record deal. There's nothin they can make up about me! HH
kenlinder	Date: May 30, 2004 @ 1:08 PM So figfarmer and robin101, both of you say that yuo have had music published and out ther, that opther people have performers. I've been writing music for a long time (hundreds of songs) the audiance loves it, the other musicans always wanted my number and I got their cards as well. But...now I am disabled and not able to perform or really travel. I would love to be able to get my tunes in the hands of someone so that I could get them played in front of an audiance by somebody. How did you manage to get your material in front of the right person. Sitting around on a disibility pension and cutting mp3s is kind of boreing. I would rather work as a song writer.
kenlinder	Date: May 30, 2004 @ 4:02 PM So figfarmer and robin101, both of you say that yuo have had music published and out ther, that opther people have performers. I've been writing music for a long time (hundreds of songs) the audiance loves it, the other musicans always wanted my number and I got their cards as well. But...now I am disabled and not able to perform or really travel. I would love to be able to get my tunes in the hands of someone so that I could get them played in front of an audiance by somebody. How did you manage to get your material in front of the right person. Sitting around on a disibility pension and cutting mp3s is kind of boreing. I would rather work as a song writer.
kenlinder	Date: May 30, 2004 @ 4:02 PM why is this thing echoing my posts?
Deadlock	Date: May 30, 2004 @ 5:46 PM robin101, whaT are you so afraid of? if you got something to say then say it. stop dragging it on for 15 post talking about bands from the 80's, what do you really want to say?? come on, you can do it...
bastardo23	Date: May 31, 2004 @ 1:42 PM i think robin has some yahoo's in his studio and he's getting sick of there stupidity.. we are all waiting for the dirt robin.
kenlinder	Date: June 5, 2004 @ 7:42 AM And I'd like a clue as to how to get past the "great wall" that sits between musicians and songwriters, and the folks inside the industry.

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