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TameasDust	Date: February 3, 2006 @ 6:23 AM By Kerstin Gehmlich PARIS (Reuters) - Angry Muslims attacked a building housing the Danish embassy in Indonesia on Friday as more European newspapers reprinted cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad that have caused outrage across the Islamic world. Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen summoned foreign envoys in Copenhagen for a meeting to discuss the outcry and the government's response to the publication of the drawings, which first appeared in Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten. Muslims consider any images of Mohammad to be blasphemous and the cartoons have touched off an international row and a debate on freedom of the media and respect for religion. Up to 300 militant Indonesian Muslims went on a rampage in the lobby of a building housing the Danish embassy in Jakarta. Shouting "Allahu Akbar" (God is Greatest), they smashed lamps with bamboo sticks, threw chairs, lobbed rotten eggs and tomatoes and tore up a Danish flag. No one was hurt. Indonesian Foreign Ministry spokesman Yuri Thamrin said the dispute was not just between Jakarta and Copenhagen. "It involves the whole Islamic world vis-a-vis Denmark and vis-a-vis the trend of Islamophobia," he said. Rasmussen, who was meeting ambassadors later on Friday, said the issue was a question of free speech and he could not control what appeared in the Danish media. Danish companies have reported sales falling in the Middle East after protests in the Arab world and calls for boycotts. Palestinian gunmen seized and later released a German on Thursday, and a hand grenade was thrown into the compound of the French Cultural Centre in the Gaza Strip. FREEDOM OF THE MEDIA? European newspapers said the publication of the cartoons was an expression of freedom of the media. "Liberation defends the freedom of expression," French daily Liberation said in a headline introducing two of the cartoons, one of which depicted an imam telling suicide bombers to stop because Heaven had run out of virgins to reward them. In Italy, at least two papers published the cartoons on their front pages on Friday. "Objectively, the cartoons are fairly ugly and are not funny -- but the point is not the quality of the drawing or the punchline," said Vittorio Feltri, editor of maverick right-wing daily Libero. "This is about accepting or refusing the principle that it is possible to laugh at, or even just criticise, a mentality, a religion, a way of understanding spirituality," he wrote. Bulgarian daily Novinar also reprinted the drawings and Spain's El Pais reprinted a cartoon that had appeared in France's Le Monde newspaper portraying the head of the Prophet Mohammad, formed by lines which read "I must not draw Mohammad". The Sun tabloid reprinted the front pages of French daily France Soir and the Danish paper but obscured images of Mohammad with red boxes marked CENSORED. More protests were expected in the Muslim world over the cartoons, one of which shows the Prophet Mohammad wearing a turban resembling a bomb. In Iran, worshippers were expected to take part in a nationwide rally after Friday prayers to protest. (Reporting by Reuters bureaux)
sinai	Date: February 3, 2006 @ 8:29 AM if it were Jesus, people in this country would do the same thing
Svensta	Date: February 3, 2006 @ 8:44 AM I'll listen when they show an equal amount of outrage at what their fellow believers are doing in their god's name. Until then, shut the fuck up. Play by the rules of decency or no one else will bide by them with you, either.
AbortiveMind	Date: February 3, 2006 @ 8:52 AM Jeez, it's all over the media already, was it really needed to make a thread Plus, these cartoons were published 4 months ago ... bit of a late reaction. Plus, people should at least respect other people's culture !!
EvilPicnic	Date: February 3, 2006 @ 10:00 AM No they wouldn't, sinai. You see cartoons featuring God and Jesus all the time. The whole fuss is because Islam takes the whole thing about worshipping false gods and idols very seriously - it's potentially blasphemous to create any religious images, especially those of God or Muhammed, which is why mosques are decorated in all those wonderful geometric patterns. Add that to the way the figures were presented in the cartoon (e.g. the suicide-bombing Muhammed) and you can't fail to see why Muslims took offence. Svensta: All of the Muslims I know (and, living in the area of London that I do, that's quite a few) were outraged by 9/11 and the attack in my city. It's a radical Islamic minority which carries out such atrocities, and the average Muslim is as disgusted as anybody else. Christianity isn't free from violent acts of terror, either; what about IRA or the Lord's Resistance Army (who have captured over 20,000 children and sold them as child soldiers and sex slaves - in the name of Christ) or even the Christians who slaughtered millions of men, women and children in the crusades?
evansorchid	Date: February 3, 2006 @ 10:04 AM La La La...I don't want to know...La La La.
sinai	Date: February 3, 2006 @ 11:06 AM i'm with sven... fuck em if they can't take a joke. it's so cute how they get all pissy about every little thing to do with their religion, if they poured that kind of energy into helping each other out instead of blowing each other up, they might actually get somewhere in this world, and perhaps later, score those 19 virgins sidenote, i'm sure the citizens of Jerusalem (which if you didn't know, means "city of peace" ) take offence to getting blown up while their trying to have their morning bagel. but don't think for one second i'm waxing poetic in the name of christianity...fuck them too
GeneHilbert	Date: February 3, 2006 @ 11:15 AM I just want to see what the fuss is all about - does anyone have a copy of the cartoons, or know where they are posted online. I have only seen 2.
zedsalt	Date: February 3, 2006 @ 11:20 AM As I understand it, it's more a matter of "graven images" than idolatry. It's gotta be pretty frustrating for them, seeing as how it's the Torah/Old Testament that gave them that particular prohibition, and here are all these folks calling themselves Christian with pictures of people and animals all over the place. I've never heard of anyone deifying Mohammad. That's considered a much greater offense than just making a drawing of him. Still, it's easy to understand why they would be especially upset at those depictions...something shy of Jesus in a Nazi uniform, maybe, but pretty bad, still. Oh, and "Jeruh" doesn't mean "city"; it means "God".
imemine	Date: February 3, 2006 @ 11:34 AM Lets see here------ cartoon verses suicide bomber? Which would Mohammad find more offensive? Which IS more offensive? Also with Svensta on this one!!!!!!
TameasDust	Date: February 3, 2006 @ 11:35 AM http://images.google.ca/images?q=mohammed+cartoons&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images
TameasDust	Date: February 3, 2006 @ 11:57 AM is it safe?
sinai	Date: February 3, 2006 @ 12:13 PM indeed zed...don't know wtf i was thinking
GeneHilbert	Date: February 3, 2006 @ 12:34 PM Poor pitiful bastards. Two Arabs are talking one day. One pulls out a picture and says, ”This is my son. He is a martyr, I am proud of him”. The other man agrees and pulls out of his robe a picture. “This is a picture of my son”. The second man says,”He is also a martyr. He makes me proud as well” “Yes” says the first man, “I miss my son.” The second man nods and says “I too miss my son, they blow up so fast”.
FebruaryBattles	Date: February 3, 2006 @ 12:47 PM blowing each other up? thats kinda a contradicting statement... last time i checked americans were all about killing each other with guns and having hunting laws allowing 5 year olds to carry guns, or how about the friendly fire? Not all islamic people are extreme terrorists like stereotypes say and im apalled at some statements said. IDK about you guys but i dont wanna be driving near a forest and have a 5 year old shoot me.. and i dont wanna be shot... thats just me... waht do i know.. you can't stop someone in your religon fr4om being crazy... fuck quit making fun of other religons when christians got all the priests molesting kids and all that horrible stuff... everything u say about another religon country is happening just down the way from you...
FebruaryBattles	Date: February 3, 2006 @ 12:49 PM making fun of* replace with insulting
hantu	Date: February 3, 2006 @ 12:55 PM ^ fare point But you know? this thread is going nowhere. We have had threads like this in the past and they don't go anywhere, everyone has decided on what they believe and alot of you are such stubborn bastards its just so fukin amazing. Posts are just gonna keep bouncing off each other, everyone is just gonna keep bringing up dirt on each religion or race and it will all be so fukin pointless. If i had the power i would CLOSE THIS THREAD Todaloo!
FebruaryBattles	Date: February 3, 2006 @ 12:58 PM if i had the power i would make a chemical to screw with any prejudice persons eyes so they wouldnt see colour and make them lose the power to feel religon...
GeneHilbert	Date: February 3, 2006 @ 1:00 PM One can not justify one's evil by arguing the evils of another. Evil is - simply that.... regardless.
FebruaryBattles	Date: February 3, 2006 @ 1:03 PM one can also argue without evil what would be the point... well animals have no evil
FebruaryBattles	Date: February 3, 2006 @ 1:03 PM cept humans
imemine	Date: February 3, 2006 @ 1:23 PM I agree that not all Islamic people are extreme terrorists like Osama bin Laden just as much as I believe that all Christians are extreme terrorists like George W. Bush. Islam is a peaceful religion, Just ask Cat Stevens! However, where is the out cry from JUST ONE prominent Muslim leader expressing outrage against this so called Jihad with the infidel? Allah would NOT approve and these “stereotypes” as you put it are silently letting the extreme brand their faith. Sallallahu alaihi wa Sallam
imemine	Date: February 3, 2006 @ 1:28 PM NOT all Christians" dammit a forum edit feature would be nice!" id="198486">HOLD THE PRESSES! That is-"NOT all Christians" dammit a forum edit feature would be nice!
FebruaryBattles	Date: February 3, 2006 @ 1:29 PM lmao...
GeneHilbert	Date: February 3, 2006 @ 1:30 PM Have you ever seen a cat toy with a mouse then kill it when it's bored with it? Have you ever seen a Killer whales toy with seals by throwing them through the air? Have you ever seen dolphin attack and kill the young ones just for shits and giggles? You might want to reconsider the animal argument.
imemine	Date: February 3, 2006 @ 1:31 PM Amazing how just one word can affect the whole statement!
blueyes2112	Date: February 3, 2006 @ 1:31 PM people deserve the right to vent their opinions as long as there is no violence!!!
FebruaryBattles	Date: February 3, 2006 @ 1:32 PM i reconsider..
TameasDust	Date: February 3, 2006 @ 1:36 PM speaking os seals ... 75% of the baby seals up here were killed by the last storm we had ... http://calsun.canoe.ca/News/National/2006/02/03/1424131-sun.html PICTOU ISLAND, N.S. -- Thousands of baby seals were washed out to sea and drowned this week by surging waves propelled by a major blizzard. Fisheries officials believe 75% of the estimated 3,000 grey seal pups born on the shores of this island in the Northumberland Strait were killed during the storm Wednesday.
JasonJSmoke	Date: February 3, 2006 @ 6:19 PM 5 year olds cannot carry firearms.
FebruaryBattles	Date: February 3, 2006 @ 6:43 PM not firearms hunting rifles...
JasonJSmoke	Date: February 5, 2006 @ 2:24 PM Not hunting rifles either.
GeneHilbert	Date: February 5, 2006 @ 2:34 PM 5 year olds cannot carry firearms I submit that this is a good idea, and should be adhered to.
BlackMage	Date: February 5, 2006 @ 3:00 PM "If i had the power i would CLOSE THIS THREAD" Oh my god, Sham would close a thread.
sinai	Date: February 5, 2006 @ 3:13 PM God...the official diety of NASCAR
GeneHilbert	Date: February 5, 2006 @ 3:36 PM Hell....... Why not close every thread. I'm sure there is something offensive to someone in all of them.
MindSculpture	Date: February 5, 2006 @ 3:43 PM I'm sure if Mohammad here...he would wonder what all the fucking fuss was about????
FebruaryBattles	Date: February 5, 2006 @ 4:24 PM http://www.wsbtv.com/family/6372663/detail.html sorry i said 5... tis 12 in wisconson... but they are possibly changing it to 8... and ill try to find a link to other states which have it to 5 years of age
FebruaryBattles	Date: February 5, 2006 @ 4:29 PM http://georgiawildlife.dnr.state.ga.us/assets/documents/Popular%20Guide.pdf page 4 has the age pricing on it... although it does not say whether the people of that age can hunt it charges 2 year olds 200$... thats pretty expensive for someone who does'nt get to hunt not sure though... didint read it all but theirs other pages that might tell.
FebruaryBattles	Date: February 5, 2006 @ 4:31 PM http://georgiawildlife.dnr.state.ga.us/content/displaycontent.asp?txtDocument=306 Hunters Under Age 12 Hunters under age 12 are not required to complete a hunter education course. However, no one under age 12 may hunt unless under direct supervision, i.e. within sight or hearing of licensed adult (at least 18 years old) hunter. It is unlawful for an adult to permit their child or ward under age 12 to hunt unsupervised. Special restrictions apply to Wildlife Management Areas (WMA's) & National Wildlife Refuges (NWR's). Hunters Age 12 - 15 with in sight or hearing? funny... i could get other states but im sure this proves enough that kids are allowed to hold a type of gun... that is deadly
desiderata	Date: February 5, 2006 @ 4:42 PM By decree from me: From now on, children will only be allowed to hold types of guns that aren't deadly. There. Solved. Now can we get back to cartoons offensive to Muslims?
FebruaryBattles	Date: February 5, 2006 @ 4:44 PM but thats not true!
hantu	Date: February 5, 2006 @ 4:47 PM "I'm sure there is something offensive to someone in all of them." Not so much offensive Gene, more to do with the shitty pointless path it is taking. Why the fuk am i even tryin to exlain?? ...... awaites cocky response
desiderata	Date: February 5, 2006 @ 4:50 PM :cockyresponse: YES! I got to be the first!
hantu	Date: February 5, 2006 @ 5:01 PM
tooles	Date: February 5, 2006 @ 8:07 PM Nice hat, dude.
imemine	Date: February 5, 2006 @ 8:09 PM Hats are cool!
hantu	Date: February 5, 2006 @ 9:14 PM Hey! i used to have a hat just like that ime
FebruaryBattles	Date: February 5, 2006 @ 10:14 PM waiting for the people who disagreed with me i didn't do research for nothing... and im not gonna say i told you so cause thats cliche
twodimensional	Date: February 5, 2006 @ 10:55 PM http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2006/02/05/we_are_all_danes_now/
GeneHilbert	Date: February 5, 2006 @ 11:08 PM twodimensional - I concur....... Hypocritical – They should have a cartoon of Mohammad fucking a camel while eating a pork chop…..
ChillinBuzz	Date: February 6, 2006 @ 1:37 AM religion is bullshit. you are all fucking mad. God doesnt tell you to make stupid cartoons any more than he tells you to blow up buildings. He doesnt say anything at all! Its a bunch of twisted assholes intent on making the world a chaotic place. And as much as i would love to blame the East, the West is just as guilty. After all, to wind a few ppl up, I havent seen Iraq try to conquer Texas for its oil...
hantu	Date: February 6, 2006 @ 1:45 AM Hey hey, i think ur fingers bounce to my music
TameasDust	Date: February 6, 2006 @ 2:01 AM nice to see them burning other country's flags for a while ...
desiderata	Date: February 6, 2006 @ 3:08 AM You know, I like racing games on Xbox. Oh, and I'd totally conquer Texas if I could. And I believe in religion and I'm fucking mad. And I don't burn flags because I don't like fire. Oh, and I'm a patriotic American. You really should try Burnout 3: Takedown but make sure you unlock enough levels so you don't get bored. Goodnight, world.
tooles	Date: February 6, 2006 @ 3:25 AM Racing games get old real fast. Unless Mario's at the wheel. Those Italian dudes can just rip around Bowser's Castle.
MindSculpture	Date: February 6, 2006 @ 7:53 AM Surely people should be a little less insecure in their own religion? I mean, if all you need to do these days is fart in the general direction of Mohammad to start world war 3... isn't there something in that that shouts WAIT A MINUTE????? Going from a cartoon to the carnage all over the world in response to this just is just madness.
JasonJSmoke	Date: February 6, 2006 @ 8:22 AM Some kids at age 12 are better marksmen than most adults, And im sure that these laws came from a time when technology didnt allow us to communicate with people all over the world by a touch of a mouse. These laws were made when people actually had kids because they needed people to work the farm and they actually had to HUNT for food.
zedsalt	Date: February 6, 2006 @ 11:11 AM I've read that it's o.k. to f**k a camel, as long as that camel isn't ever to be used for breeding or as food, or if it eats its own dung.
tooles	Date: February 6, 2006 @ 2:38 PM Finally...no more need to rein in my desires...Mrs. Humpsalot and I can consummate our heretofore unrequited love...
FebruaryBattles	Date: February 6, 2006 @ 2:44 PM lets get 2 year olds to hunt for food while they are in hearing distance... w00t... regardless.. it mighta been a good law at the time.. but it is not now
tooles	Date: February 6, 2006 @ 3:02 PM I think you're kind of focusing on the wrong problem, dude. I agree that it doesn't make much sense to allow 5-year-olds to carry guns, but immediately tacking legislation onto this issue isn't really the right way to approach it. Child soldiering is a HUGE problem in Africa, the Middle East, and Southeast Asia. http://www.warchild.ca
twodimensional	Date: February 6, 2006 @ 3:05 PM http://www.filibustercartoons.com/comics/20060204.gif Iran has now cut off trade with the Danish. i don't wanna hear anymore of this "oh, but it's just a few extremists" nonsense.
tooles	Date: February 6, 2006 @ 3:08 PM Why not? It's still true--last I checked, Iran wasn't a democracy, it's a theocratic government. A "few extremists" run the country.
twodimensional	Date: February 6, 2006 @ 6:32 PM and a few extremists danced in the streets when the WTC fell too, right? just a few? just a fraction of a fraction of the population, right?
tooles	Date: February 6, 2006 @ 7:29 PM Absolutely. It doesn't take a whole lot of dancing people to make the news. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/derbyshire/3051274.stm
pmscpc	Date: February 7, 2006 @ 5:51 AM @ GeneHilbert... "kids blow up quick" snigger..... Honestly, you'd think the neocons had planted a few nutters in the protesting crowd just to make their own unreasonable behaviour slightly less desperate looking. Did someone mention the word "Jehova" ? :gasp: Anyone for "Jerry Springer, The Jihad" ? I think, were I to believe, God would be asking us all to "Simmer down" and remove the armageddonsists.
jimbobber1985	Date: February 7, 2006 @ 8:51 AM anyone who protested in the uk is goin to get arrested for inciting racial violence. One british muslim has already been jailed for dressing up as a suicide bomber during the protests, but he was on prbation for drug dealing. That boston news article is spot on i think.
sinai	Date: February 7, 2006 @ 1:33 PM from the looks of it, the prophet either needs thicker skin or bigger balls, whichever is gonna make him less prone to temper tantrums everytime a joke pisses on his parade
Svensta	Date: February 7, 2006 @ 3:06 PM Buddy Christ meet Terrorist Allah. Play nice.
shadowself	Date: February 7, 2006 @ 5:49 PM Burger King recalls 'sacrilegious' desserts JOHN INNES THE fast-food chain, Burger King, is withdrawing its ice-cream cones after the lid of the dessert offended a Muslim. The man claimed the design resembled the Arabic inscription for Allah, and branded it sacrilegious, threatening a "jihad". The chain is being forced to spend thousands of pounds redesigning the lid with backing from The Muslim Council of Britain. It apologised and said: "The design simply represents a spinning ice-cream cone." The offending lid was spotted in a branch in Park Royal last week by business development manager Rashad Akhtar, 27, of High Wycombe. He was not satisfied by the decision to withdraw the cones and has called on Muslims to boycott Burger King. He said: "This is my jihad. How can you say it is a spinning swirl? If you spin it one way to the right you are offending Muslims." A Muslim Council spokesman said: "We commend the sensitive and prompt action that Burger King has taken." Mmmmmmmmm. Sacrilicious.
FebruaryBattles	Date: February 7, 2006 @ 5:54 PM say all u want.. i know a high amount of muslims and they are all good people
desiderata	Date: February 7, 2006 @ 5:59 PM No one said all Muslims are bad people.
FebruaryBattles	Date: February 7, 2006 @ 6:10 PM all thats getting psoted here is numerous attempts to put down the one group.
shadowself	Date: February 7, 2006 @ 6:27 PM No, it's showing how foolish over-reaction is. We'd post the same thing if it was any other religious group killing people over cartoons.
johnnygnote	Date: February 7, 2006 @ 8:32 PM Over reaction or not...The fuse has been lit. Now we may see the beginning of what many cultures ofver the centuries have prophecied. These things are only precursors to an even more absurd chain of events still to come that will change our world forever.
FebruaryBattles	Date: February 7, 2006 @ 8:42 PM the worlds always changing forever.. nearly every generation has some big event... fuck...
johnnygnote	Date: February 7, 2006 @ 9:52 PM Granted but there are many things that were predicted that are coming true I'm not just talking biblical. I've studied the prophecies of many cultures and there is a culmination of many of them coming together at this point in time. Man I'm talking the mother of all changes. The only thing that is constant is change, but like the ultimat in anything there is ultimate change.
FebruaryBattles	Date: February 7, 2006 @ 10:10 PM yea science predicts sutff alot... biblical is something that people predict all the time but never really happens... every couple hundred years peopl tend to say the armmegheddon is close.. generations later theyll repeat it
GeneHilbert	Date: February 8, 2006 @ 12:14 AM They just remind me of a bunch of spoiled hoodlums - bitching and whining every fucking time they don't get their way...... Me, Me, Me, Me Now the Iranians are having a draw the holocausts cartoon contest. Just more stupid bullshit..... makes me want to smack ‘em wit my shoe.....
imemine	Date: February 8, 2006 @ 12:23 AM Typical Infidel! They will not stop until we are all dead!
GeneHilbert	Date: February 8, 2006 @ 12:35 AM Well come the fuck on.... They want jihad - bring it on.... All that shit in Europe is starting to make sense now – as to why and Eastern block countries and Europeans turn a blind eye to what Milosevic was doing. I always thought that was very odd – maybe not…..
MindSculpture	Date: February 8, 2006 @ 7:58 AM You are all mentalists, and the end of the world is neigh.
shadowself	Date: February 8, 2006 @ 8:15 AM You OK, Jay? You sound a little horse.
zedsalt	Date: February 8, 2006 @ 12:26 PM Gene brings up a good point- is whacking people and other things with a shoe some kind of tradition?
johnnygnote	Date: February 8, 2006 @ 6:02 PM I'm not just talking Biblical. There are many prophecies from many ancient cultures that undeniably point to thesde chains of events. If we are doomed to repeat stupidity kill me now. I do not doubt that we will all see some real shit fly and I'm not talking about our own. No one will be spared the real shock and awe there are too many complacent people in the world who believe that it's always been the same. It's not. The universe will go on with or without us BUT. Wecan make a choice to continue on like bumbling fools or to take in the full meaning of the events that are occuring in our life time.
kingo	Date: February 8, 2006 @ 6:32 PM Okay, I'll bite. What IS the full meaning of the events that are occuring in our lifetime?
tooles	Date: February 8, 2006 @ 7:05 PM I think it's probably got something to do with selling us dictionaries.
desiderata	Date: February 8, 2006 @ 7:15 PM Nah, it's cheese. Our entire lives are based around the pursuit of, bliss from or mournfulness at the lack of cheese in our lives. Life is Go now, my children, and think on these things, and when you are ready, go forth and spread the news to all of my ... oh, fuck it.
MindSculpture	Date: February 9, 2006 @ 7:49 AM Do not mock the cheese infadel! Annihilate those who mock the cheese!!!
GeneHilbert	Date: February 9, 2006 @ 12:36 PM That's Gouda
downtowndonnie	Date: February 9, 2006 @ 1:22 PM no way, the full meaning of what is happening in our time and the meaning of life can be narrowed down to two things - 1: people are not wearing enough hats...
shadowself	Date: February 9, 2006 @ 1:24 PM How many hats should I wear?
tooles	Date: February 9, 2006 @ 1:51 PM