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leflaw	Date: February 7, 2010 @ 5:17 PM http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Ninja_conspiracy Anyhow, in the 1960s a major war took place between the various factions vying for control of the Shadow Government: the Argentine Nazis, the Israelis, the CIA, the Freemasons, the Communists, and the Walt Disney Company. When the dust had settled, most of the leaders of these factions were dead and the ninjas were left in power. [ Many former U.S. presidents were ninjas. Thomas Jefferson was a Ninja president. So was Grover Cleveland. Nixon wasn\'t, of course (if he had been, they wouldn\'t have gotten caught during Watergate). Clinton wanted to be a ninja, but couldn\'t pass the physical (Hillary, though? Highest level ninja). George Bush Senior was a ninja, but despite his father\'s best efforts to influence the decisions of the Ninja Council, George W. flunked out of ninja school. Twice. [edit] Current Business of the Ninja Conspiracy The ninja conspiracy is currently involved in a number of projects. * hiding secret technology, like car engines that run on water, faster-than-light drives, and frictionless sandpaper. * suppressing evidence of aliens. * making up evidence of aliens. * starting wars- ninjas started World War I, World War II, the Korean War, the Cola Wars. * producing Celine Dion albums. * inventing the ultimate weapon: the thirty-seven point throwing star. * global warming. * spreading killer bees. * trying to invent new and more comfortable kinds of black cloth.
victorsskull	Date: February 7, 2010 @ 7:18 PM the cola wars
zedsalt	Date: February 8, 2010 @ 9:32 AM There are just enough kernels of truth in this parody to make it funny, facts like: Origami is one of the martial arts ("death by little paper crane" is on the official c.o.d. list in every medical examiner's office, right there between "blunt force trauma" and "defenestration”). The presence of red herrings is always proof of some sort of conspiracy. Former CIA Director/former U.S. President George H. W. Bush is a badass who knows how to snap a person's neck with two fingers without even causing his arthritis to flair up. We have had, for some time now, conclusive proof of alien visitation and cars which use water for fuel. There was never enough difference in taste between Coca Cola and Pepsi to justify the Cola Wars. But there are also a few laughably silly bits of misinformation in there, too, such as: Ninjas didn't scare pirates out of existence; they scared them out of wearing conspicuously piratey clothing and hanging out along the classic pirate routes. Now, they look like African American college kids and cruise the east coast of Africa in watercraft the classic "ARRR, MATEY" types wouldn't be caught dead in. Ninjas do so use guns: blowguns. Don't ask me how I know this stuff. I could tell you, but then I'd have to slip a chemical into your drink which renders you immobile for about fifteen minutes and clears the last thirty hours or so from your memory. You thought I was going to say, "I could tell you , but then I'd have to kill you", didn't you? Common misconception. But I could, even if I was just the guy who does the Ninja Conspiracy pamphlets, which, of course, don't exist, because interoffice publications aren't very shadowy. I could kill you with two fingers if I was that guy. In a manner very similar to the way George H. W. Bush can do it for real.
sunshine	Date: February 8, 2010 @ 10:11 AM could someone remove the implanted chip from behind zed's right ear? i believe it defected. he is giving away top secret information and must be silenced. global woarming is a hoax. please refer to any deviation from norms as relates to the weather as climate change. i like that word. or both of those words put together. the celine dion records are damaging enough. thanks ninja's.
sunshine	Date: February 8, 2010 @ 10:12 AM global warming is a hoax too. it all started with a lil fart, and everyone screams - CLIMATE CHANGE! it was just a freaking lightable fart for chrssakes.
zedsalt	Date: February 9, 2010 @ 9:30 AM That's what the Ninjas, the Nazis (Bilderberg Group), the industry stooges (Lavoisier Group), and Lyndon LaRouche WANT you to think!
justinother1	Date: February 14, 2010 @ 12:06 PM every time i see this particular thread...i am reminded that,somewhere,around here,i have a picture of st.fu ,...patron saint of ninjas we could ALL use a little more st.fu i think...
zedsalt	Date: February 14, 2010 @ 12:47 PM I read something interesting about what a lot of global warming denialists are refering to as "The Bilderberg Report". It's being said repeatedly that they disputed the science that led to the United Nations' Nobel prize-winning report's conclusion that global warming is indeed very real and, for the most part, manmade. But that's simply not true. That's not what the Bilderberg Group said. The Nobel-winning report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (formed by a joint effort between the United Nation's World Meteorological Organization and the United Nations Environment Programme about a decade earlier) is actually four separate reports by four different groups of scientists, addressing four distinct aspects of the issue. The Bilderberg Group had their teams of scientists looking for holes in the IPCC report before a final version was even decided upon. In spite of all of that effort, they were unable to dispute anything in the first of the four reports. This is important to note, because THAT is the report that concludes that global warming is real and it is manmade. The Bilderbergs have found four errors (so far) in the second report, the report dealing with the impact of global warming on our daily lives. Some would argue that this isn't the realm of science at all, as it is comprised almost entirely of conjecture about causality and possible future effects. But the important thing is that EVEN THE BILDERBERG GROUP is not disputing the science which led to the core finding of the first report: global warming is real, and we are responsible for it.
ChillinBuzz	Date: February 19, 2010 @ 10:01 AM On 8th Feb 2012, sunshine said: global warming is a hoax too. it all started with a lil fart, and everyone screams - CLIMATE CHANGE! You never experienced one of my farts then, even cows run away screaming in terror.
leflaw	Date: February 28, 2010 @ 10:08 PM why I hate the entire Bush family. http://proliberty.com/observer//20070405.htm
victorsskull	Date: February 28, 2010 @ 10:42 PM “Research” is the systematic investigation into and study of materials and sources in order to establish facts and reach new conclusions. This is important research. Read it carefully, with an open mind. Considering the use of fluorides (sodium fluoride) in drinking water and toothpaste, you may already be in denial. Fluorides (we are told) are for the prevention of tooth decay. You, the reader, can decide if they really work. The real reason they are added to your drinking water and toothpaste is to cause you to become psychologically and physically placid, and therefore, apathetic. I stopped using tooth paste with fluoride and I don't drink much tap water.
sunshine	Date: March 1, 2010 @ 9:38 AM thats why you're the pickle man the bilderbergs continually plot for a way to have population control, i think they want to reduce the population by like 70 percent. interstingly enough, it is posted on the georia guidestones, which apparently are the rules for the new world order. don't believe anything that comes from them benefits anyone excepting themselves, the elite. true dat. vic is smart in limiting flouride.
sunshine	Date: March 1, 2010 @ 9:39 AM georgia guidestones state: Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature. Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity. Unite humanity with a living new language. Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court. Avoid petty laws and useless officials. Balance personal rights with social duties. Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite. Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature
sunshine	Date: March 1, 2010 @ 9:45 AM Informal forum or global conspiracy? CBC News Online \| June 13, 2006 The seed was planted by one man - Joseph Retinger, who left Poland for Britain in 1911 and spent the next three decades working as a political adviser. After the Second World War, he became a leading advocate of the unification of Europe - at least the western part of the continent. Retinger was alarmed by the growing influence of Soviet-style communism and a rising tide of anti-Americanism in Western Europe. In 1952, he persuaded Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands and Belgian Prime Minister Paul Van Zeeland to help him organize an international conference. Prominent business people and politicians from several European countries and the United States would be invited. The goal: To provide a forum where influential people could meet and talk about ways that help promote understanding on both sides of the Atlantic - and prevent future wars. They met at the Hotel de Bilderberg near Arnhem in the Netherlands for two days in May. The conference was deemed such a success that the group pledged to make it an annual event. They adopted the location of their first meeting place as the name of their new group. The idea was to create an informal network of influential people who could consult each other privately and confidentially. They could focus on what their countries had in common and bounce ideas off each other that could make life better for everyone. The group decided that it would invite 100 of the most powerful people in Europe and North America every year to meet behind closed doors at a different five-star resort. The group stresses secrecy: What's said at a Bilderberg conference stays at a Bilderberg conference. The organization says that encourages members to talk frankly, without the worry that what they say will wind up in the news. An Ottawa police officer directs the driver of a limousine outside a hotel where members of the Bilderberg Group will be meeting, June 8, 2006. (Tom Hanson/Canadian Press) Several high-profile journalists have been invited over the years - again, on the understanding that they must not report on the proceedings. Break the rule and you're not invited back. Skeptics argue that the secrecy means Bilderberg members can spend their private time hatching plans to control the world politically and economically, ensuring that the rich and powerful maintain their grip on the levers of power while the rest of the population is enslaved to keep the economic machinery running. Bilderbergers, some have argued, have withheld cancer cures so as not to anger the global pharmaceutical industry. They've also kept technology out of the public domain that would allow cars to travel 75 kilometres on a litre of gas. Big Oil, apparently, would not approve. The group has assembled at least three times in Canada, most recently June 8 to 11 this year at the Brookstreet Hotel in the Ottawa suburb of Kanata. According to a Bilderberg news release, prominent Canadians invited to the 2006 conference included former New Brunswick premier Frank McKenna, Paul Desmarais, CEO of Power Corporation, Gordon Nixon, president and CEO of the Royal Bank of Canada, and Heather Reisman, chair and CEO of Indigo Books. They got to mingle with the likes of Iraqi politician Ahmed Chalabi, former U.S. secretary of state Henry Kissinger, Richard Holbrooke, key American negotiator for 1995 Bosnian peace accords, Richard Perle, senior foreign policy adviser to U.S. President George W. Bush, Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands, retired banker David Rockefeller, and Johann Koss, Norwegian Olympian and president of the Right to Play organization. The news release also said some of the topics on the agenda of the Kanata meeting would be energy, Iran, terrorism and European-American relations. There were no news conferences or communiqués as the meeting wound up. James Tucker - an American libertarian and journalist - has been a critic of the Bilderberg group for decades. "When meeting last year in Rottach-Egern, Germany, Bilderberg called for dramatic increases in the price of oil. Oil prices started climbing immediately from $40 a barrel to $70," Tucker wrote in the days before the 2006 meeting. Tucker says the group has used its meetings to organize wars and the overthrow of "unfriendly" leaders. It has also been accused of identifying politicians who are friendly to big business and backing their runs for power. Former U.S. president Bill Clinton spoke at a Bilderberg conference a year before his election victory, as did British Prime Minister Tony Blair. The current chairman, Belgian politician and businessman Etienne Davignon, says the steering committee that organizes the annual get-togethers is excellent at spotting talent. Former prime ministers Paul Martin, Jean Chretien and Pierre Trudeau also made Bilderberg appearances. Prime Minister Stephen Harper took in the group's 2003 meeting in Versailles, France, while he was Opposition leader. But Tucker says the Bilderbergers are not pleased with Harper. It's because of Kyoto. The Bilderberg group, Tucker says, is behind the Kyoto Protocol. They're the ones who pushed it. Like they pushed NAFTA and the World Trade Organization - and "turned NATO into the UN's standing army. It's a step," Tucker writes, "on the road to creating world government." ok these are not nice people. they have underground cities in denver, virginia and vairous other places. population control is on thier agenda. they control our economy. jesse ventura did an interesting expose of the bunch of them. go to jesse ventura conspiracy theory and see if the program is available for viewing. jesse is for real.
ShadowMom	Date: March 1, 2010 @ 9:56 AM I just bought a book called Voodoo Histories: The Role of Conspiracy Theory in Shaping Modern History by David Aaronovitch... I'll get back to you on this. Btw, man, Dade County has added fluoride to our water for years. I drink lots of tap water. When does the apathy kick in? I could use a little of that...
victorsskull	Date: March 1, 2010 @ 10:25 AM maybe if it wasn't in your system you could tell the difference. The fluoride blocks the spiritual part of you I guess I have some other bad habits that prolly block it too(caffeine,energy drinks,smoking) I'm sure if I kicked the habits and drank non infected water I would see a difference.
victorsskull	Date: March 1, 2010 @ 10:26 AM and yes I think we are a cancer to the world. It's showing us how much it love us every day now
zedsalt	Date: March 1, 2010 @ 11:08 AM So, the same folks who want us to ignore global warming want to wipe about 6,304,800,000 people off the face of the Earth? Makes sense.
zedsalt	Date: March 1, 2010 @ 11:14 AM On 28th Feb 2012, leflaw said: why I hate the entire Bush family. http://proliberty.com/observer//20070405.htm I know it's wrong, but a part of me would be very happy to hear, conclusively, that the portions of the Bush family my mother has found in our ancestry and the former Presidents' family aren't actually related. But that might just be the wellwater talkin'...
sunshine	Date: March 1, 2010 @ 11:21 AM man made global warming is strictly for al gore to get rich. Too hot? It's global warming. Too Cold? It's global warming. Just right? It's global warming. Too much rain? It's global warming. Drought? It's global warming. Normal rainfall? It's global warming. Hurricanes? It's global warming. No hurricanes? It's global warming. Blizzards? It's global warming. No snow? It's global warming. Normal snowfall? It's global warming. Irish Potato Famine? It was global warming. Another Blizzard: What Happened to Global Warming? http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1962294,00.html Climate-Change Debate Is Heating Up in Deep Freeze http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/11/science/earth/11climate.html EPW HEARINGS POSTPONED DUE TO WEATHER http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=b3e826ad-802a-23ad-45b8-8fa00c661d62 OU Student Collecting Pictures of Snow in All 50 States http://www.newson6.com/Global/story.asp?S=11973034 Hahaha , the federal government shut down for days in Washington with record snowfall, drifts up to 4 feet and snowplows unable to keep up with the snowfall; a government committee meeting on "global warming" canceled because of record snows in DC and.........it's still "global warming. When are these crackpot loony-tunes going to realize the Universe is sending them a message that man is not in charge of Earth's climate and isn't going to be?
sunshine	Date: March 1, 2010 @ 11:22 AM although i fully agree that we need to reduce our impact on the environment by not being wasteful and not using products that pollute the environment.
sunshine	Date: March 1, 2010 @ 11:24 AM ps. zed - you speak very well..I never would have guessed the bloodline.
victorsskull	Date: March 1, 2010 @ 11:38 AM um it may not be global warming but mother earth is pissed
zedsalt	Date: March 1, 2010 @ 11:44 AM I can remember sitting in my third grade classroom ('76 or so), listening to an explanation of how even a slight increase in the global average air temperature could bring about blizzards, record high AND low temperatures, droughts AND floods, earthquakes...even usher in another great Ice Age. It was easy enough to understand then, and we've been treated to about thirty-five years of further proof...without serious reasoned contention...that mankind TOOK charge of the Earth's climate, and that even if we suddenly, miraculously, STOPPED doing everything we've been doing which has changed the climate, we would still need to take action to heal what we have wounded. Global warming denialism is one of the crackpottiest, loony tunefullest of all of the crackpotty, loony tuneful conspiracy theories.
sunshine	Date: March 1, 2010 @ 12:22 PM that isn't the only thing your third grade teacher told you that probobly is not true. they left a few things out of the us history books too.
sunshine	Date: March 1, 2010 @ 4:23 PM Beware the hot air of global-warming claims By Staff Reports Published: February 27, 2010 » 0 Comments \| Post a Comment vote nowBuzz up!FAIRFAX -- Private industry and governments around the world have spent trillions of dollars in the name of saving our planet from man-made global warming. Academic institutions, think tanks and schools have altered their curriculums and agendas to accommodate what was seen as the global-warming "consensus." Mounting evidence suggests that claims of man-made global warming might turn out to be the greatest hoax in mankind's history. Immune and hostile to the evidence, President Barack Obama's administration and most of Congress sides with climate czar Carol Browner, who says: "I'm sticking with the 2,500 scientists. These people have been studying this issue for a very long time and agree this problem is real." The scientists whom Browner references are associated with the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Let's look at some of what they told us. The 2007 IPCC report, which won them a Nobel Peace Prize, said the probability of Himalayan glaciers "disappearing by the year 2035 and perhaps sooner is very high" as a result of man-made global warming. Recently, IPCC was forced to retract its glacier-disappearance claim, which was made on the basis of a nonscientific magazine article. When critics initially questioned the prediction, Rajendra Pachauri, IPCC's chairman, dismissed them as "voodoo scientists." The IPCC also had to retract its claim that up to 40 percent of the Amazonian forests were at risk from global warming and would likely be replaced by "tropical savannas" if temperatures continued to rise. The IPCC claim was based on a paper co-authored by the World Wildlife Fund and the International Union for Conservation of Nature, two environmental activist groups. England's now-disgraced University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit has been a leader in climate research data. Its data have been used for years to bolster IPCC efforts to press governments to cut carbon-dioxide emissions. Climatologists, including CRU's disgraced former director, professor Phil Jones, have been accused of manipulating data and criminally withholding scientific information to prevent its disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act. Jones, considered to be the high priest of the man-made global-warming movement, has been in the spotlight since he was forced to step down as CRU's director after the leaking of e-mails that skeptics claim show scientists were manipulating data. In a recent interview with the BBC, he admitted he did not believe that "the debate on climate change is over" and that he didn't "believe the vast majority of climate scientists think this." Long denied by the warmers, Jones admitted that the Medieval Warm Period (800 to 1300 A.D.) might well had been as warm as the Current Warm Period (1975-present), or warmer, and that if it was, "then obviously the late-20th-century warmth would not be unprecedented." That suggests global warming may not be a man-made phenomenon. In any case, Jones said that for the past 15 years, there has been no "statistically significant" global warming. Given all the false claims and evidence pointing to scientific fraud, I don't think it wise to continue spending billions of dollars and enacting economically crippling regulations in the name of fighting global warming. At the minimum, we should stop the Environmental Protection Agency from going on with its plans to regulate carbon emissions. Companies should resign from the United States Climate Action Partnership, a lobbying group of businesses and radical environmentalists. Tom Borelli, who is director of the National Center for Public Policy Research's Free Enterprise Project, says BP, Caterpillar, Conoco Phillips, Marsh Inc. and Xerox have the common sense to have done so already. Walter E. Williams is a professor of economics at George Mason University. if you ever get time, wacth the jesse ventura special on global warming
ShadowMom	Date: March 1, 2010 @ 6:21 PM It would seem more important to list who does NOT believe in global warming-- like oil companies, coal companies, etc. as opposed to all those crackpot loony-tunes scientists and such. Jesse Ventura? I'd ask him about wrestling, not much else, no offense. On 1st Mar 2012, victorsskull said: maybe if it wasn't in your system you could tell the difference. The fluoride blocks the spiritual part of you I guess I have some other bad habits that prolly block it too(caffeine,energy drinks,smoking) I'm sure if I kicked the habits and drank non infected water I would see a difference. Nahhhh.... I don't care anymore.
zedsalt	Date: March 2, 2010 @ 10:14 AM "Mounting evidence suggests that claims of man-made global warming might turn out to be the greatest hoax in mankind's history." Have you ever noticed how one side of this argument never cites a specific study? Have you ever seen any hard figures which in any way refute or even effectively dispute global warming? I could just as easily say that there's overwhelming evidence that Al Gore is the Second Coming, as witnessed by every single resident of a very populous nation. Eventually though, I'd run into the same difficulty that the global warming denialists have always had: there’s not a shred of evidence to support either of our hypotheses. Sooner or later, I’d have to start giving the sort of nonsensical responses the denialists have- “There’s just too much scientifically-gathered information that he is Christ Almighty for me to list. I don’t pay attention to stuff like that; I prefer to look at the evidence as a whole rather than things like his blinding halo and the fact that everyone he touches is instantly free from disease and injury.” “So, Mr. Salt, you’ve seen a blinding halo around the former Vice President’s head and witnessed him performing miracles?” “Well, not me, personally. I’m not a witness; I’m just passing along the facts.” “And what country were you referring to when you...” “Oh, I haven’t been allowed access to that information. You see, the media is controlled by people who don’t want us to know about Al Christ.” (That last one would only follow the metaphor if the media rushed to print, publicize, and/or broadcast every Al-Gore-really-is-Jesus story that came down the pike, no matter how unfounded.)
zedsalt	Date: March 2, 2010 @ 10:15 AM “Immune and hostile to the evidence...” Ah, yes, “the evidence”...what was that again?
zedsalt	Date: March 2, 2010 @ 10:16 AM “The scientists whom Browner references are associated with the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.” Can anyone lay out any sort of scenario wherein this would be something other than a bald-faced lie? Seriously, anyone for a real brain teaser? How could we convince everyone to trust us and not actually count the scientists involved in the IPCC report? It’s a matter of public record. Luckily, we don’t really need people who are too stupid to count to a few dozen; all we need are enough people too willfully ignorant to try.
zedsalt	Date: March 2, 2010 @ 10:20 AM “The 2007 IPCC report, which won them a Nobel Peace Prize, said the probability of Himalayan glaciers ‘disappearing by the year 2035 and perhaps sooner is very high’ as a result of man-made global warming.” Now, THERE is an EXCELLENT example of EXACTLY what I mentioned in my post of February 14, 2010 @ 12:47 PM. The portion of the report (the second of the four Nobel-prize-winning IPCC reports) that was actually quoted has nothing to do with whether or not global warming is real. It has nothing to do with the evidence in the first report that the people running the experiments submitted as proof that global warming is largely the result of our activities. It has nothing to do with their conclusions that global warming is real. It has nothing to do with their conclusions that it is largely a man-made phenomenon. It is a prediction. You know what supports Rajendra Pachauri’s dismissal of the prediction’s critics? For one thing, the Gregorian calendar. The year 2035 has not arrived. It has not passed. What HAS passed are decades of accurate measurements of the world’s glaciers. (Anyone heard anything more about that approx. 60 mile long recently-released iceberg? Or the 48 mile long iceberg it broke off the Antarctic shelf when it washed back up against it? Any more new small-nation-sized icebergs I should know about?) There are narrow tracts where glacial retreat has slowed. There are rare instances of brief, localized advances. With such a huge percentage of all of the world’s sequestered greenhouse gasses either under the ocean floor or encased in those glaciers, how reassuring is it that there are people out there who might be slightly overestimating the rate at which they’re being released? Or those who say the incremental increase in rate of release WHICH ACCOMPANIES EVERY RELEASE has been exaggerated? I suppose it depends upon whether or not you prefer the truth over whatever lie allows you to sleep easier. Look at satellite photos of the Mata Atlantica. 60% of the Amazonian rainforest is going to survive, no matter what we do, no matter how long we do it? Take another look at those photos; in which direction do YOU think that second IPCC report erred? There’s a pretty good bare-bones synopsis of the concerns about the IPCC report here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_IPCC_AR4 Fair warning, though: if you’re still mulling over the “facts vs. feelgood” question I posed earlier...or you quickly concluded, “Hey gimme a lie I can live with every time!“...you do NOT want to read what the critics of the report are saying.
sunshine	Date: March 2, 2010 @ 11:50 AM i could post 150 articles and you are still never going to question it. that i get. i suppose this really isn't Bil;l Gates on population control either...??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqAGasF6Hfo Here are Bill Gates' verbatim words: "The world today has 6.8 billion people. That's heading up to about nine billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent." aspertame, a deadly poison which is known to cause sterility among other serious health problems, in our baby food is probobly just propaganda too, right zed? or is it another way to control population? or does the FDA as a rule just like to see long term consequences of poison on individuals from birth througout a lifetime? don't you question anything? i would take more time with this, but today I am a bit up in arms about my city budget, apparently they had to balance it and of course my city fees just went up by 45 bucks every quarter. and i have to wonder, do these fuck nuts realuize we are in a recession and a 8 million dollar library expansion just might not be a great idea? thats what i dislike about the democratic party, who in there right mind expands public funded expansion when cutting back is what is necessary? what percentage of our good citezens even use the library that justifies an 8 million dollar expansion. what does recession mean? jesus, zed, i am so ready to become a republican..lately i have really been leaning that way. true conservation is needed and the democrats just don't fucking get it, do they?
sunshine	Date: March 2, 2010 @ 12:14 PM Chile Earthquake May Have Shortened Days on Earth Buzz up!158 votes Send Email IM Share Facebook Twitter Delicious Digg Fark Newsvine Reddit StumbleUpon Technorati Yahoo! Bookmarks Print AFP – View of a car trapped in rubble after a tsunami hit the Chilean town of San Antonio on February 28. US … Slideshow:Massive earthquake strikes Chile Play Video Video:Raw Video: Searching for survivors in Chile AP Play Video Video:Tsunami ravages Chile's islands Reuters SPACE.com Staff SPACE.com Space.com Staff space.com – 2 hrs 14 mins ago The massive 8.8 earthquake that struck Chile may have changed the entire Earth's rotation and shortened the length of days on our planet, a NASA scientist said Monday. The quake, the seventh strongest earthquake in recorded history, hit Chile Saturday and should have shortened the length of an Earth day by 1.26 milliseconds, according to research scientist Richard Gross at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. "Perhaps more impressive is how much the quake shifted Earth's axis," NASA officials said in a Monday update. The computer model used by Gross and his colleagues to determine the effects of the Chile earthquake effect also found that it should have moved Earth's figure axis by about 3 inches (8 cm or 27 milliarcseconds). The Earth's figure axis is not the same as its north-south axis, which it spins around once every day at a speed of about 1,000 mph (1,604 kph). The figure axis is the axis around which the Earth's mass is balanced. It is offset from the Earth's north-south axis by about 33 feet (10 meters). **this is why i think the climate is changing zed, i think the poles are shifting slightly and that is the cause... and there are scientists who support my theory dear zedster.** apparently nasa even saying it is happening now...there are more thing possible that could cause climate chanage than man made global warming, my dear firned.
zedsalt	Date: March 2, 2010 @ 2:11 PM On 2nd Mar 2012, sunshine said: i could post 150 articles and you are still never going to question it. that i get. The only thing the article "Beware the hot air of global-warming claims" calls into question are predictions which REVOLVE AROUND THE FACT THAT GLOBAL WARMING IS REAL AND MAN-MADE. I don't know about anyone else, but I find that pretty deeply insulting. They didn't think anyone would notice that they're basing their argument against a premise ON the premise itself?!? "There are differences of opinion as to the rate of changes caused by man-made global warming" is NOT an argument AGAINST the fact that global warming is real and mostly man-made. It is an argument you can't make without accepting the fact that global warming is real and mostly man-made. I feel silly and maybe even a little pompous pointing out something so painfully obvious, but I don't see any way I could be any more condescending and insult everyone's intelligence any worse than that article does. You don't see that kind of "we can lie, because the pubic are idiots" tactic in most science. I mean, have you ever heard someone argue that because there are differences of opinion on when our Sun will go from Yellow Star to Red Giant, that it is NOT now a Yellow Star? No, there's no money to be made there. If anyone ever came up with any sort of proof that global warming isn't real or is acting in concert with a natural cycle, that person would get the kind of money Bill Gates couldn't dare to dream about.
zedsalt	Date: March 2, 2010 @ 2:27 PM On 2nd Mar 2012, sunshine said: Here are Bill Gates' verbatim words: "The world today has 6.8 billion people. That's heading up to about nine billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent." There has never been such a thing as a bit of knowledge I've possessed, a belief I've held, or a feeling I've had which I have not questioned. That having been said, I consider the statistics on health care in high population areas to be pretty solid, verified by more than sufficient redundancy by a variety of agencies with a variety of agenda. Any time any evidence that quality health care results in rampant, unsupportable population explosion, I will reconsider my position. For now, I accept what Mr. Gates has to say about there being no need to exercise unnatural control over a healthy, educated population.
zedsalt	Date: March 2, 2010 @ 2:36 PM On 2nd Mar 2012, sunshine said: aspertame, a deadly poison which is known to cause sterility among other serious health problems, in our baby food is probobly just propaganda too, right zed? or is it another way to control population? or does the FDA as a rule just like to see long term consequences of poison on individuals from birth througout a lifetime? In the thirty-years plus that Aspartame has been in a wide variety of American foods, in the fourty-five years plus that it has been used elsewhere, not a single problem has arisen in anyone who was not afflicted with PKU. If you have PKU, avoid Aspertame. If you're allergic to peanuts, avoid peanuts. The biggest difference is that MUCH smaller amounts of peanut have MUCH worse effects on the allergic, but no, I'm still not convinced that George Washington Carver was out to thin the human herd.
zedsalt	Date: March 2, 2010 @ 2:47 PM Based solely on what I've read and what I've heard, I believe the axis shift and global dimming are both working against the effects of global warming.
leflaw	Date: March 14, 2010 @ 1:06 PM question: I heard that not being able to get laid in the 1960's used to be a prerequisite for being a republican. Is that still true?
ShadowMom	Date: March 14, 2010 @ 1:38 PM Now really... that's a bit personal, isn't it? But the answer would appear to be... ...even if he DOES have a very big cigar. You betcha! But there's always that hopey changey thing!
evansorchid	Date: March 27, 2010 @ 6:43 PM On 2nd Mar 2012, sunshine said: don't you question anything? I guess my response to that is......do you believe everything that you read and/or believe every thought that pops into your head? ....and do you have the capacity for critical analysis of your own conclusions? On 2nd Mar 2012, sunshine said: I am a bit up in arms about my city budget, apparently they had to balance it and of course my city fees just went up by 45 bucks every quarter. Are you listening to yourself here......it's the Republicans who whine about a balanced budget.....and when Democrats actually do create a balanced budget.....it's just not good enough. City Fees up by $45.....quite a scandalous accusation there. On 2nd Mar 2012, sunshine said: and i have to wonder, do these fuck nuts realuize we are in a recession and a 8 million dollar library expansion just might not be a great idea? And if we were in a period of expansion as opposed to a national recession would it make your opinion of a library expansion any different? On 2nd Mar 2012, sunshine said: thats what i dislike about the democratic party, who in there right mind expands public funded expansion when cutting back is what is necessary? ....and this kind of behavior is exclusive the the democratic party?....is it? Are you at all familiar with at least some of the facts that got us into trouble under that previous administration. On 2nd Mar 2012, sunshine said: what percentage of our good citezens even use the library that justifies an 8 million dollar expansion. I would like to think that there might be a process that occurs on a local level....you know....democratically held elections for mayor and city council offices.....in which if a library expansion is proposed that the pros and cons are debated and then voted on in a democratic manner. I would like to think people smarter than myself that we as a democratic society elected into office, debated the idea and came to a reasonable conclusion. I would like to think that some power-mad slobbering democratic stooge isn't simply making decisions simply to get conservatives anger at him.....we all know how much those library expansions upset the republicans. On 2nd Mar 2012, sunshine said: true conservation is needed and the democrats just don't fucking get it, do they? I would think that the democrats simply wouldn't understand how you even reach the conclusions that you do.
zedsalt	Date: March 28, 2010 @ 11:12 AM In another thread, sunshine pointed out that lies...lies that she recognizes as lies..."just make more sense" to her.
sunshine	Date: March 28, 2010 @ 4:48 PM plrease don't quote me out of context zed. i said both parties lie. republican lies tend to be different. as in worse case scenario type stuff. democrat lies promise the sun and the moon and deliver a black hole of debt. and yes, it there was surplus money, i would think library epansion would be wonderful thing. however, since some of the city schools are known not to have toliet paper on a regular basis, i would think necessity would prevail over expansion. they act like layoffs are 1st degree murder, but if there are less students, wouldn't they need less teachers? and why build new schools when there are renovatable abandoned buisnisses everywhere that is utilizable space and i am sure more cost effective. and the 45 bucks, is on top of the 40 percent hike on trash pick up, 3 percent city tax on my income and property taxes that are about triple what country people pay not including the tax break they did away with for persons who work out of the city but live in the city. this city gets a pretty good chunk of my income, so yeah 45 more bucks is alot considering everything. considering the small percentage of us that decided to actually stay here are footing a pretty big bill and facing a pretty big deficit that someone will have to pay for, me if i stay here. and yeah, even, occasionally i take the time to look stuff up. so much propaganda its difficult at times and time consuming. which is why at some point i would like to identify with a party and vote a straight ticket. next election is going to be easy for me. all incumbants out.
evansorchid	Date: March 28, 2010 @ 6:18 PM Hmmmmm......this is beginning to look like a terminal case of talking in circles.......and I'm not sure how much time I'd like to invest in this. But, just one more time.....look at what you wrote. This is how I'm interpreting this.....you think that unless absolute perfection is obtained, nothing new should be done. I mean how can a reasonable person have a debate with someone who states that we cannot have a library expansion because the city schools are running out of toilet paper in the bathrooms. Seriously.... What makes you think that the same people who run the library have anything to do with the people who are stocking the janitor's closet?
Distilled1	Date: March 28, 2010 @ 7:34 PM all incumbants out. :nod
sunshine	Date: March 29, 2010 @ 9:57 AM what part of taking care of needs before taking care of wants don't you understand? if our community was like a family, and ma and pa are part of the same family, ma doesn't have enough food to make a decent dinner, pa wants to by a table saw so he can make some shevles for the basement. they operate with the same income. so, does pa get his table saw, or does ma go to the grocery store? seriously, how do you not understand that? oh thats right, the democratic way is for ma and pa to go get a credit card max it out and do both, we can worry about the bill next month.. because thats the american way ...right? if the kids get hungry take them in the garage and show them the bright shiny new table saw (library)... if they are county funded, they certainly do have something in common, namely, the person signing the paycheck, and the budget it comes from. besides that, how can you possibly interpret what i said as being no expansion unless things are perfect? i actually said unless they have a balanced budget with no deficit. which is possible. then expansion would be joyous and well deserved. the parks could use some sprucing up too. and if you say next, oh the federal govermant matches those funds, blah blah blah, i say to you, wouldn't it be better to make a stand and say, intead of matching funds for library expansion, can we have matched funds for our homeless shelters? they are over full and we have to send people away because we have no beds on a daily basis. can we use that money to help the indigent of our society and make sure everyone has thier basic needs met prior to a bigger libray for the story time and tea expansion? honestly, if the federal goverment put library dot com on internet, gave every person a laptop and wifi and 24 hour access to it, we wouldnt even need these expensive buildings, to care and maintain, we wouldn't need, a gazillion full time people saying SSSHHHHH. it would probobly be way more cost effective in the long run. why am i explaining myself to someone who clearly thinks i am not reasonable anyway? must be bored i guess.
sunshine	Date: March 29, 2010 @ 10:06 AM the cirty i live in has the highest jobless rate in the nation. the highest foreclosure rate in the nation, hell, i would worek in the city too except - there are NO jobs here!!!!!! empty building after building that used to be productive businesses...people are actually jumping on trains to leave the city faster, how do you expand anything? less people need less stuff, not more. oh, just tax me and the five other people that remain and lets expand the library...for heavens sake evansorchid, just admit i am right about this ONE!
zedsalt	Date: March 29, 2010 @ 10:47 AM The city with the highest jobless rate in the nation is nearly an entire continent away from the city with highest foreclosure rate in the nation. Still, the idea that you live in both makes about as much sense as the rest of your economic assessments. I tell you what- just as soon as the first study comes out that supports the idea that the uneducated outearn the educated...well, I can't speak for Spike, but I would concede the point then. In the meanwhile, I'm still more of a believer in "A quality education is the best anti-poverty plan goin'" (from Obama's first State of the Union speech) than I am in Karl Rove's "As people do better, they start voting like Republicans - unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing." (Statistically, as income levels increase, so does the view that the public should GET SOMETHING for their tax dollars, not the other way around. And people's heads exploding from too much information only happens in cartoons and SciFi movies.) We made another trip to Menard's last night; that's where we heading the last time I posted a comment about how much expansion is going on in the next sizeable town to our east. In a repeat of last summer's trip, I saw another bunch of new businesses springing up on the west side of that town. I do worry about the rate at which the U.S. economy is growing. I hope that we learned something about avoiding inflation in a rapidly-expanding economy in the '70s; whatever we were doing in our history's biggest boom (most of the '90s) worked pretty well.
zedsalt	Date: March 29, 2010 @ 10:53 AM GAH! WHAT HAPPENED TO MOST OF MY POST?!? I hate when that happens. Let me try this again... The city with the highest jobless rate in the nation is nearly a continent away from the city with highest foreclosure rate in the nation. Still, the idea that you live in both makes about as much sense as your political assessments. The first part of my first paragraph which actually posted was something like: When the first study comes out that shows that uneducated people outearn the educated...well...I can't
zedsalt	Date: March 29, 2010 @ 10:58 AM On 28th Mar 2012, sunshine said: plrease don't quote me out of context zed. What I was referring to was: "sunshine Date: March 3, 2010 @ 6:30 PM quote well acorn not being found guilty is a weak arguement for the democtratic party. i never thought i would say this..but i am seriously thinking about becoming a republican. for one reason above all... the spending, the economics, the inability to understand not expanding in a recession. and yes, i am well aware of bush's failings and penchant for war but from what i understand, that has not changed, we still have many troops in many places we have no business being. i think corruption runs very deep in both parties, deeper than most of us realize. but for some reason when republicans speak, it makes more sense to me. all of my family and most of the people i know are democrats who i am sure wont like it if i admit i am turning republican, but it is what it is. and i am well aware most of the republican crap i get is not verifiable by snopes, which does piss me off, and the healthcare lies are bullshit, but all of that aside its either republican or independant the way i am thinking right now. the acorn videotapes speak for themselves." See? That is quoting; what I did before was "summarizing".
sunshine	Date: March 29, 2010 @ 11:17 AM well zed, i think what we did in the 90's contributed to now... with such a heavy price tag that most americans were not prepared to pay. sometimes it is hard to tell when you are being sarcastic. i imagine if i saw you day in and day out it would become much easier. perhaps to the point, his lips are moving, sarcasm ensues, but at this point i still can't always tell right away. what we did in the 90's, over estimated the worth of everything that we owned, borrowing on it heavily, with much interest, as if tomnorrow would never come..balloon mortgages...what a stupid idea...it fully contributed to the problems we have now. a lot of whom, had bought their homes in the 70's for 40 grands and by the ninety's owed 140 grand on the same house...which probobly sells for 40 grand today...full circle...if we had acted like squirrells and hoarded our nuts and lived within our means while things were good, we probobly wouldn't be in the mess we are in now. but then again, i can't tell if you are being sarcastic or if you actually agree with me. however, i have to guess that some have learned a valuable lesson through it all, and in the same circumstances, would not make the same choices... which is a start.
sunshine	Date: March 29, 2010 @ 11:19 AM i am pretty sure we are on the top 10 list for both. i guess i can go check, as to make every point an aboslute fact, instead of just making a point. i will be back.
sunshine	Date: March 29, 2010 @ 11:21 AM wrong quote zed, it was the post after that when i declared they were both liars but the lies were different.
sunshine	Date: March 29, 2010 @ 11:28 AM Read more: Local, State, Economy COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - More than half the state's 88 counties are showing double-digit unemployment in the new list posted by the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services. Officials say joblessness was highest during January in northern Ohio's Huron County: 18.3 percent. Delaware County north of Columbus had an unemployment rate for the month of 6.1 percent, the lowest in Ohio. On Friday, the department reported that the statewide jobless rate for January was 8.8 percent, up from the revised rate of 7.4 in December and the highest level in more than 20 years years. Among the state's largest cities, Toledo had the month's highest unemployment for the month, at 14.3 percent. Cleveland Heights was lowest, with 4.9. (highest in ohio, have to go find nation rankings) Lucas County foreclosures rank in state’s top ten Written by Kristen Rapin \| \| krapin@toledofreepress.com Lucas County has the sixth-highest number of foreclosures in the state, according to the most recent numbers from the Ohio Supreme Court. Of the 88 counties in Ohio, Lucas County is only behind Cuyahoga, Franklin, Hamilton, Montgomery and Summit counties in the number of foreclosure cases reported since September. “In Ohio, Cleveland is the epicenter of foreclosures, but the Toledo area is not far behind,” said Kathy Broka, Northwest Ohio Development Agency and Toledo Fair Housing Center president and CEO. “Toledo was one of the first communities where predatory lending and toxic loans took place. Some of the loans with egregious terms are just beginning to catch up with residents.” In Lucas County, two separate listings for foreclosure cases are filed; bank and tax. actually i dont care about national rankings. just becasue every i isn't dotted and every t isn't crossed, does not mean there is no substance whatsoever to the content. instead of responding to one iota of something and pickking it apart, why can't you just look at it as a whole concept. thats what i am arguing, concepts. you want to major on the minors, picking apart the little stuff. i am not a detail person, i am a concept person.
zedsalt	Date: March 29, 2010 @ 12:03 PM On 29th Mar 2012, sunshine said: sometimes it is hard to tell when you are being sarcastic. I learned very, very early on in our exchanges that sarcasm and irony are NOT safe. That's why I avoid everything BUT hard facts, and I always verify FIRST. I always make sure that there's no reasonable disputing numbers the I cite and/or any ultimates I use (like "most", "least", "best", "worst", etc.). And I always double-check to make sure the figures I'm using are the most recent on record. On 29th Mar 2012, sunshine said: wrong quote zed, it was the post after that when i declared they were both liars but the lies were different. Your next post after that was: "do me a favor here and clarify whether you agree with me that democratic spending is crazy or say, this is a sarcastic post, just so I know, i don't have much time to figure it out today." Three posts later, you stated what you repeated here, some ridiculously contrary to reason b.s. about Republican lies always being bad predictions rather than actual lies. Please, please, please never take anything I say at face value. Like I said, I avoid everything BUT plain fact, but when you go throught the process of getting the information...aw, screw it, what am I saying? I'm never going to convince you to inform yourself. The best I can hope for is that some small portion of the facts and figures you skim past in your search soaks in subconsciously as you desperately search for any sort of mangling of the truth which might be construed as supporting the lies you've chosen to swallow. On 29th Mar 2012, sunshine said: actually i dont care about national rankings. just becasue every i isn't dotted and every t isn't crossed, does not mean there is no substance whatsoever to the content. instead of responding to one iota of something and pickking it apart, why can't you just look at it as a whole concept. thats what i am arguing, concepts. you want to major on the minors, picking apart the little stuff. i am not a detail person, i am a concept person. You mean, more general concepts like the fact that Michigan has dropped to fourth place in state foreclosure rates? Or the fact that the national rate dropped 2% in February alone? Or that the state with the highest foreclosure rate for the 38th month in a row (Nevada) decreased 7% between the end of January and the end of February, 30% lower than the rate the February before?
sunshine	Date: March 29, 2010 @ 12:14 PM i can not dispute the fact that you are better read, or educate yourself on each issue presented and take the time to do the homework that i don't. i applaud you for it and i respect you for it. and actually i appreciate the fact that you take your time with me and try to get me to do the same legwork. it must get frustrating to try and talk to someone like me, who actually does like concepts more than facts and is prone to exaggeration, somewhat. so there ya go. BTW, i work in michigan, i live in ohio. it actually made sense for me at one time, please don't ask me to explain how, i am quite sure it will just make your head hurt. i just wanted you to know, i do appreciuate YOU.
sunshine	Date: March 29, 2010 @ 12:16 PM see, if there was an edit button, i would add the word theories after concepts. concepts and theories. jesus zed, i am an artist , not a politician. and no, i was not calling you jesus, even though it did come out that way, and some could read it that way.
sunshine	Date: March 29, 2010 @ 12:22 PM and with your well researched numbers 2 percent drop in foreclosure ranks, i KNOW i just read an article that it was going to rise again as many many on brink. i, however, can not acertaian if the article is true, if it was reliable, nor can i remember the exact source of the article, but i am saying i read it late last week. no proof, just me telling you i read that last week.
evansorchid	Date: March 29, 2010 @ 10:17 PM On 29th Mar 2012, sunshine said: ...for heavens sake evansorchid, just admit i am right about this ONE! Never!!!
zedsalt	Date: March 30, 2010 @ 11:11 AM On 29th Mar 2012, sunshine said: and with your well researched numbers 2 percent drop in foreclosure ranks, i KNOW i just read an article that it was going to rise again as many many on brink. i, however, can not acertaian if the article is true, if it was reliable, nor can i remember the exact source of the article, but i am saying i read it late last week. no proof, just me telling you i read that last week. Well, y'know, unfortunately, we're not talking about things getting better. We're talking about things getting worse more slowly. Both Michigan and Ohio are in the Top (if we want to call it that) 10 states in foreclosure rates in February 2010, and the top ten states account for over 60% of all foreclosures in the U.S. in February. The worst of the worst is in Nevada, which makes sense to me, as they were experiencing the biggest boom (just ahead of Arizona) when the housing bubble burst. What we're talking about here...rather coldly, with statistics and broad academic overviews...is the rate at which these personal tragedies are occurring /have occurred. Each foreclosure is a heartbreak. We're talking about how quickly dreams are dying. It's more than a little overwhelming- imagining what foreclosure MEANS to EACH of those people represented by these huge figures, trying to wrap our heads around the concept of each of those personal catastrophes multiplied that many times... Business as usual in Washington D.C. just isn't acceptable to me. People who are trying to stand in the way of recovery and reform are not acceptable to me as politicians or political candidates.
zedsalt	Date: March 30, 2010 @ 11:18 AM On 29th Mar 2012, sunshine said: see, if there was an edit button, i would add the word theories after concepts. concepts and theories. jesus zed, i am an artist , not a politician. and no, i was not calling you jesus, even though it did come out that way, and some could read it that way. One of my best buds back in art school had a high school teacher who has the distinction of having more portraits hanging in the Hall of Presidents than any other living artist. As I said, though, the guy was still teaching high school to get by. He wanted to get into the business of selling prints, but portraits are his strong suit, and he can't legally sell prints of the presidential portraits. So, he decided he needed a universal image to sell. One Saturday, I walked across the street, put on a sackcloth robe, tried my best to look pious, and made $25 for about fifteen minute's worth of "work".
sunshine	Date: March 30, 2010 @ 11:38 AM hopefully the new bail out program will help some with the underwater mortages. i think thats what they called it. to keep some families secure in thier homes. i kinda feel like, whats in it for me, if the value of my home is more than my current mortgae, and i have maintained my payments. of course the answer is nothing. while happy for these folks who get the help, the guy who manages to keep things straight, doesn't get the benefit of a revamped mortgage. however, suck it up and be glad some get the help they need to stay in thier homes. its like if you make one dollar over a certain amouny , you lose tax breaks that could net you thousands, if you pay on time, you lose out on programs that ultimately make things fair for consumers....although years ago it used to bug me worse, when my friends would get thousands back from irs as i write a check, and it seemed like the harder you worked , the more you were punished so to speak, not having the same tax credits available is like a punishment for working harder, to me anyway...so while i would like my home loan revamped to reflect the current market, i count my blessings that i am not behind. usually the terms are messed up anyway, like the 30 percent we forgive you will be added on the back end with extra fee's that you will never notice, type of thing...and FHA not qualifying,,,not sure how many people it will help as the terms can be pretty strict. so you already did the jesus stint. i seriously know this guy, that was an american indian, during his college years he dressed in full native gear and stood on the corner taking pictures with tourists for 10 bucks a pop. the dude seriously made enough money each summer to pay for his college, selling pictures with a "real " indian.
zedsalt	Date: March 30, 2010 @ 12:01 PM I don't think it's time for folks in your position to refinance just yet, but after more reform passes, you need to keep in mind that there's no law against a bank or financial institution flat-out LYING to you about the legality of refinancing. It's like those "I promise to never sue" clauses in contracts; they bear NO LEGAL WEIGHT WHATSOEVER. You'd think they would be legally considered fraudulent, but they're pretty much ubiquitous. WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU ENVY ANYONE'S TAX REBATE?!? Sorry about the shouting, but you know what a tax rebate means, don't you? It means you paid too much in taxes, and the entire time the government has had their hands on that money of yours, it was paying interest and/or dividends for THEM, not YOU. No offence to anyone who is willingly, knowingly making that extra contribution, but anyone who likes a tax rebate AND doesn't like government spending is making a chump out of himself/herself.
sunshine	Date: March 30, 2010 @ 3:20 PM you can yell at me all day long, but the fact is, if you make one dime past a certain amount some of the perks that your friends may get from the goverment, like extra child tax credits and such, are gone for you. i don't exatly resent it, but yes, i have been bummed when i wait until april 15th to send those bastards a check...while my friends shop for new furnature... and it seems to me an equalizer. which isn't fair. if i make over a certain amount, i get no tax breaks, higher tax bracket and yes, i get to watch my friends who make half as much get a check that i will never see. it doesnt have to make sense to you to be true for me. of course my kids are grown and for the most part gone...so its all in the past now anyway. but back in the day, if i made 40,000 and a friend made 30,000 ..they would qualify for earned income credit, child tax credit and the good old fed govt would write them a check, as i write my check to them or barely break even at tax time, thereby making us equal in terms of income. not fair. and yes i am well aware my tax paid should be considered an escrow account, which is why i get mad if i owe a dime in taxes and they penalize me for being late when they have over a grand in what i consider an escrow account. i have no intentions on refinancing at all. i was just saying. back to conspiracy theories....anyone got anything interesting? DONT DRINK THE WATER!
zedsalt	Date: March 31, 2010 @ 10:06 AM Regardless of what determines your bill, your rebate, or your zero-sum filing, receiving a bill is the most profitable of the three scenarios. Being billed means that amount of money was in your control...earning interest and/or dividends on investments, or just plain getting use out of goods and/or services you wouldn't be able to afford otherwise...longer than if you had somehow managed to pay exactly the correct amount of taxes throughout the year, a LOT longer than if you received a rebate check. I mean, you wouldn't be holding off until the last minute to send payment if you didn't understand this already, right? The absolute wealthiest Americans tend to have the largest tax bills not just because they pay the largest portions of the greatest earnings, but because they have...or are...the best accountants. There are exceptions, of course- many states have mandatory quarterly estimated property taxes (Happy Hoosierland uses that particular money grab) and many of America's wealthiest like the idea of helping out the federal government, but for the most part, the biggest tax bills go out to the wealthiest AND the wisest.
zedsalt	Date: March 31, 2010 @ 10:12 AM On 30th Mar 2012, sunshine said: back to conspiracy theories....anyone got anything interesting? Sorry, but I am hopelessly unhip when it comes to those things. By the time I find out about any new ones, they've pretty much already run their course, with only a few diehards are still holding on to them, or they've become so widely accepted they've become "common knowledge".
sunshine	Date: March 31, 2010 @ 10:30 AM ok, since you love to debunk conspiracy theories, i have to ask. the nutty professor you and I spoke of some time ago who did a stint in the CIA in NAM...do you believe his stories, or the small portion of what he told you? do you believe the story i told you that collaborted his story? i mean some things happened that don't have much of a paper trail of proof. other than a bunch of people commonly called crazy as hell, who served and came home with the same stories of course. many of which are tragically homeless now, or have committed suicide. don't hide behind the i'm unhip when it comes to theories, becasue you clearly are well versed on current events and have an inquizative mind, so i don't buy that. but, i very much would like to know your personal opinion on the nutty professor and the validity of his mind monsters that never let him rest.. i mean some theories can be proven by collaboration.
zedsalt	Date: April 1, 2010 @ 10:17 AM I'd be happy to! If I had some inkling of who you're talking about...

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