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AdamsGod	Date: September 5, 2005 @ 8:33 AM sorry man, i dont intend on buying reason for $300-$400, its too expensive for me at the moment, so i have to get a cracked. dont get me wrong, once that money would be available to me for that software, you can be sure i'll buy it.. but you know, rent and bills need to be paid too, and today.. all these software are just so expensive, its hard to afford them.
2step-4eva	Date: September 5, 2005 @ 9:06 AM i dont think u will hang ur head in shame, but hopefully u can understand my point of view if u forget all the preconceptions u have... ok first of all we trade goods and services in a capitalist economy which for the most part works. the market system means that consumers generally pay the cost to society of producing the things they want. with physical goods, say a printer or something, the cost to society if i want one is a few grams of plastic and a bit of diesel to run the truck that delivers it to my house. with software, the internet and p2p eliminates these costs. software can be replicated infinately without using any grams of plastic, and distributed all over the world without using any diesel. this p2p software doesnt do bad things that harm anyone, it only helps people have free software. so why is it that people like u psypig seek to stop it, like it is a criminal. the reason is because if everyone were allowed to use p2p, the developers would not get their money. so this is purely a money issue. p2p harms nobody and helps many, but it screws up the flow of money in the capitalist economy. the only problem here is the money. instead of trying to help it fit into our economy the government is more interested in outlawing it, because lets face it its change, nobody likes change, all they care about is asylum seekers and state pensions. i dont think that you should pay for software while i get it for free. i think everyone should get it for free and the development should be funded in some way by public money now i know nothing about your social background but i am a student and therefore i have very little money. however i can still make use of cubase, i just cant afford to buy it. so if there were no piracy i wouldnt have it, while you would. that means that the system hasnt worked for me, even though i could have the software for free. now with piracy i have the software. therefore it is a political victory for me. my welfare has increased, and not at the cost of anyone elses. psy i dont think u should pay for software while i get it free but thats the way things work, and i think the government is responsible for doing something about it. however the government has more important things to worry about like killing innocent people and obtaining more oil, etc etc. since this is the case i have no problem committing a so called crime, as long as i am not personally harming anyone.
2step-4eva	Date: September 5, 2005 @ 9:14 AM oh and can i also point out that as soon as i do have enough money i will start buying software, because it is a hell of a lot easier and more reliable, although some is at a rip off price, but seriously if any software i use was at a price that i would definately buy it for if i couldnt pirate it, then i wouldnt hesitate to buy it. if i am using pirated software its because i think "this is good software but the price is so high i would be very reluctant to pay it if i had to" anything thats reasonably priced within my price range i will buy and if everyone is like this then i dont think that software companies lose many sales to pirates.
psypig	Date: September 5, 2005 @ 10:17 AM 'i dont think that you should pay for software while i get it for free. i think everyone should get it for free and the development should be funded in some way by public money' You know what? That's the most sensible thing anyone has said to me so far about software piracy. I don't agree with that statement completely but i respect the fact that you've actually come up with a reasonable argument. I really don't want to play the fascist here it's just up until now no-one has presented a reasonable argument for piracy. Well that's cheered me up enough to just agree to disagree. I may not agree with what you say but i'll defend to the death your right to say it.
Travelsonic	Date: September 5, 2005 @ 11:45 AM "If the companies didn't have to spend so much on research to hack proof their software, not only would the prices drop but the software would be less buggy. It's common sense. So, yes pirates do raise the price of software. Absolutely they do. " No, I'd say the company's insecurity is to blame, but that is just my opinion.
Travelsonic	Date: September 5, 2005 @ 11:45 AM "If the companies didn't have to spend so much on research to hack proof their software, not only would the prices drop but the software would be less buggy. It's common sense. So, yes pirates do raise the price of software. Absolutely they do. " No, I'd say the company's insecurity is to blame, but that is just my opinion.
psypig	Date: September 5, 2005 @ 12:15 PM Travelsonic - an interesting opinion. Perhaps you could ellaborate on that? (not a flame - i genuinely would like to hear what you have to say in more detail.)
2step-4eva	Date: September 7, 2005 @ 11:17 AM nice to see that someone understands my point of view...maybe we have got to the point where there is nothing more to say except that we will 'agree to disagree'
TameasDust	Date: November 16, 2005 @ 10:46 AM I suppose everyone could go 'open source' and accept donations as a way to keep going ... firefox seems to be doing well ... I like using free stuff ... but if there ever was a proggy that I just had to have, and NORTON ain't one of them, I would probably buy it ...
Britmick	Date: November 18, 2005 @ 1:14 AM I get software for free because I can. You think petrol prices would be higher if some people got it for free, no of course not. And they don't go down because they don't. Wake up all of you. Companys price products as high as they can to maximise profit. If you get something for free, bloody got luck to you.
psypig	Date: November 18, 2005 @ 4:55 AM Must... not... rise... to this....
TameasDust	Date: December 5, 2005 @ 2:25 AM awwww why not
jimbobber1985	Date: December 5, 2005 @ 11:58 AM if someone gave a hobo the sapre key to a house, do u think the hobo would sit out in the rain?
jimbobber1985	Date: December 5, 2005 @ 11:59 AM spare
psypig	Date: December 5, 2005 @ 4:17 PM sigh
TameasDust	Date: December 5, 2005 @ 11:35 PM What I am amazed by is someone saying it aint right that the USA is fighting terrorism with their troops overseas ... find the addresses of these people and let the terrorists move right on into their homes ... they won't complain ... they are against fighting terrorism

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