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What difference can real drums make to your music?

LiQuidMetamo...	Date: October 14, 2006 @ 10:10 AM Check out my song 'shoot the moon' (programmed drums using redrum & dr. rex) and 'shoot the moon' (apollo mix) featuring drums by Peter Yttergren a.k.a. nergretty. Peter provides an excellent drum service for good value, check his site www.live-drums.com for samples of his work and pricing, all files in pristine 24 bit/44.1 wav format using real acoustic drums with multiple micing possibilities. He also is a great musician www.nergretty.com
zedsalt	Date: October 14, 2006 @ 10:48 AM Hell yeah! I'm NOT a great drummer, not by any stretch of the imagination, but I'll always take my sloppy, noisy "real" drums over robotracks anyday! Real drums make a real difference, and I assume it would be even more evident with a REAL drummer...
DrUmMeR-GuY	Date: October 14, 2006 @ 12:15 PM Real drums open up more windows, I havent seen a program yet, that has a randomize button to it. Meaning i can go crazy on the track and make it sound completely wrong and random. Most drum programs ive used limit you to what time signiture your in, For example 4/4 time allows you a whole note, half note, quarter, eigth, so on . . . My drumming includes alot of fills that sound like they werent supposed to be there, tracks that i cant even use a metrinome in!!!
Snoogans775	Date: October 14, 2006 @ 3:18 PM on thefluffs pages, I love the spontaneity and near-manic style of Dane's drumming, it's incomparable to any kind of electro-matics
LiQuidMetamo...	Date: October 15, 2006 @ 4:34 AM I seriously recommend getting real drum tracks if they're recorded and miced properly they just sound killer, programmed drums, even those done with painstaking attention to variation and with 'human feel' elements added, just sound flat in comparison. If you know any drummers, treat 'em well !
JamesThomson	Date: October 15, 2006 @ 11:31 AM Being a drummer i damn well dont wana get replaced by a machine. I saw a metal band on friday who had a drum machine instead of a drummer and it really pissed me off.
imemine	Date: October 15, 2006 @ 1:29 PM Cool!
independentm...	Date: October 15, 2006 @ 4:18 PM Go ahead and record your song with the programmed drums/beat when you can't find a real drummer ...just keep it on a separate track if multi-tracking. Later on, when you can FIND a real drummer, if he/she is as good as OUR stick-master, the real drums can be over-dubbed.
independentm...	Date: October 15, 2006 @ 4:19 PM I know that's kinda bass-ackwards, but it WORKS! (If the drummer is any good.)
LiQuidMetamo...	Date: October 15, 2006 @ 4:32 PM independentman, that's exactly what I did on my song 'shoot the moon' and because it's fixed tempo, it was easy for the drummer to lay his drum tracks down. However, it did require a little bit of fine tuning to line the drum track in sync (this problem is definately an issue if using mp3's which add time to the beginning and end as part of the encoding process), so nudging the drums back one tick did the trick ! Yes, it helps having a good drummer, Peter Yttergren (nergretty) who did my drum track is from but has an international reputation from cubase.net and through his own solo material.
EchoMinor	Date: October 15, 2006 @ 6:50 PM On 15th Oct 2009, JamesThomson said: Being a drummer i damn well dont wana get replaced by a machine. I saw a metal band on friday who had a drum machine instead of a drummer and it really pissed me off. was it a local band? new band? maybe they didnt have a drummer yet...for instance my new band that i have started, we have no drummer yet so we are having to use FL Studio6 percussion until we find a drummer.
LiQuidMetamo...	Date: October 15, 2006 @ 7:43 PM It's difficult to find drummers who have gear up to the job of gigging and who can play in time/choose appropriate rhythms etc, this is a major reason why people use drum machines/vstis. If you find a skilled drummer then better make sure you can keep him/her...give them first dibs on the cheezies
Snoogans775	Date: October 15, 2006 @ 9:37 PM and what if you want to make something bigger or smaller while you're playing, I like watching footage of the white srtipes, they're just so good at communicating, the songs always come out different.
Bluenevus	Date: October 17, 2006 @ 5:39 PM Indeed bro, indeed
independentm...	Date: October 17, 2006 @ 10:30 PM When you can HAVE a drummer actually there at the time ...HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY. ...but, sometimes you just gotta make due. Sure, it's not as good. BUT, it's better than not being able to do it at all. ========= IF you are in a situation where the song doesn't lend itself to a robotic/steady "click-track" ...my advice is to record WITHOUT any click or fruityloops/drum-machine (whatever) and hold out for a drummer who is good enough to adapt to your looser rhythem/beat for that particular recorded version. (Sure, that means the drummer has to listen to the song several times to get the "feel" of it... but hey! THAT'S a GOOD thing!) ...MY point being, DON'T sit on your ass with a song just because you don't yet have the drummer lined up. %75 of the magic is better than %0 of the magic.
EchoMinor	Date: October 18, 2006 @ 7:24 AM well me and my bandmate are playing 4songs live in a few weeks, and well...my sony vaio is our current drummer until we find one. i have no shame in dragging my laptop onstage and running it into the PA system to take the role as our robotic drummer. of course when we find a good drummer i will fire my robotic one!
BlackMage	Date: October 18, 2006 @ 11:04 AM 100% of the time it depends on what kind of samples you have and the person itself. Drumkit From Hell and a guy who knows what he's doing can make a whole world of difference even if looking for a realistic sound. Heck, I've had people who couldn't tell the difference between a machine piano and an actual one, so how hard is it to make drums sound good? So, I wouldn't really go for a human drummer, if he doesn't fulfill my needs. If a machine does, then hey, why not? For a liveband, an actual drummer is always the best opportunity even in a studio because it will help the whole band get the sound they want on the record so they can hone it live. Each to his own anyways.
LiQuidMetamo...	Date: October 18, 2006 @ 2:49 PM You can really tell the difference through headphones, the drum tracks all bleed into each other, in one sense that's a pain but it helps to expand the sound so it's not so flat and cymbals definately sound A LOT different. Also snare because even if you layer 3 or 4 samples with velocity hitting, you notice more variance in a real snare drum. Electronic drums suit some styles better, rigid dance music etc would lose it's tightness if you use a real drummer. Also, if you're listening through a car stereo pumped up really loud etc you notice these things a lot less, but through headphones if you have a reasonable hearing capacity you can tell. Of course, DFH or whatever is a good compromise, especially if you are good at programming it...

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