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New moam songs for a new CD called "As It Ends"

moam	Date: November 4, 2007 @ 3:57 AM http://moam.dmusic.com/music/ You'll see my new tracks in the folder "As It Ends" As usual, I have definitely improved. This is a wicked different sound for me...or so I'm told Check it out and leave some feedback, critical or just general comments. I'm ALWAYS looking for ways to improve my songs so if you notice anything at all that doesn't fit, let me know! Anyways, I have been busy as FUCK obsessing over these tracks, so enjoy
officernarc	Date: November 4, 2007 @ 5:48 AM don't take this the wrong way, but you should really think about getting some better production values on your songs. i'm sure people will disagree with me though, but i think that if you dropped $1000, or even $500, and recorded those in a proper studio with live instruments instead of synths and drum machines, you would have something you could really be proud of. honestly, i just think the way that they are right now really undersells the songs, and if these are really songs that you care a lot about, you should really consider giving them all that they deserve and just help them realize their full potential.
ChillinBuzz	Date: November 4, 2007 @ 9:13 AM if he didn't care about the songs, why would he bother letting people hear them? if only we all had the money to spend on new equipment eh?
ChillinBuzz	Date: November 4, 2007 @ 9:14 AM oh and $1000 in a proper studio? how far do you think that will go these days?
HenriRoger	Date: November 4, 2007 @ 12:08 PM This is realy worth a listen as an album . I mean listen to all the tracks at once ( like in old days ... ) All the tracks are full of good ideas , lot of work in the arrangements and the sound . I realy don't care about big studios or best equipment productions . Here it's just fantastic to see what can be done alone at home by a creative person Take the time to listen to "As it ends " .
moam	Date: November 4, 2007 @ 12:42 PM Wow, thanks a lot for everyone's feedback so far I truly appreciate this. And officernarc I know what you mean about "synths" and "drum machines". Some people can't stand the sound of synthesised music, but it's become more my thing. I think synth makes the music stand out much more than just guitars and makes it sound more original. That's just my personal opinion though, which is why I have never made an effort to join any band. Anyways, thanks everyone for your insight so far
moam	Date: November 4, 2007 @ 12:45 PM By the way, there are about 7-8 more tracks to come for this CD
officernarc	Date: November 4, 2007 @ 12:58 PM On 4th Nov 2009, ChillinBuzz said: oh and $1000 in a proper studio? how far do you think that will go these days? dude, recording in a studio doesn't have to cost a lot of money. there are a lot of really good, really small independent studios that won't charge you an arm and a leg and will make you sound fucking ace. On 4th Nov 2009, ChillinBuzz said: if he didn't care about the songs, why would he bother letting people hear them? if only we all had the money to spend on new equipment eh? dude, you can have all the equipment in the world, but if you haven't had experience or training in using it, it won't matter, because you're just going to wind up making a shitty sounding record that people are going to ignore, no matter how good the songs are. as far as the equipment goes, that's another reason why he should go into a studio to record - because you're going to be able to have access to better equipment that you wouldn't be able to or might not have or even think to own.
officernarc	Date: November 4, 2007 @ 1:08 PM On 4th Nov 2009, moam said: Wow, thanks a lot for everyone's feedback so far I truly appreciate this. And officernarc I know what you mean about "synths" and "drum machines". Some people can't stand the sound of synthesised music, but it's become more my thing. I think synth makes the music stand out much more than just guitars and makes it sound more original. That's just my personal opinion though, which is why I have never made an effort to join any band. Anyways, thanks everyone for your insight so far i don't think i mentioned anything about guitars? i do think it's about finding a balance though - maybe consider interspersing those synths with live bass or live drums sometimes.
ChillinBuzz	Date: November 4, 2007 @ 2:12 PM yes, if you say so, narc. 12 tracks rewritten and mastered in a studio will cost a bit more than $1000 i'm sure, list some studios you think would charge less and some links then. i got to hear the tracks before he uploaded them and i mentioned the drums sounding synthetic. what Moam should've mentioned was the problems he had with his original setup but i guess we forget to add all the little bits. as for him mentioning guitars, he was making a comparison between synth and real instruments, surely?
ChillinBuzz	Date: November 4, 2007 @ 2:13 PM i estimate 12 tracks, that's what he mentioned as a rough guide... you're not thinking the 5 tracks he had up at the time were the entire CD?
officernarc	Date: November 4, 2007 @ 6:06 PM On 4th Nov 2009, ChillinBuzz said: yes, if you say so, narc. 12 tracks rewritten and mastered in a studio will cost a bit more than $1000 i'm sure, list some studios you think would charge less and some links then. http://electrical.com/calc.php ooh look, i just made a 35-41 minute record at a world class recording studio for $1100.
ChillinBuzz	Date: November 4, 2007 @ 6:40 PM that's not $1000 or $500... I tried that page - if all of your 12 tracks are going to be around 3-3 1/2 minutes, you are within easy reach of their studio and you don't want one of the better engineers, then you could get close to that figure you stated, if you could redrum and master all 12 tracks in ONE day... So I tried some more realistic figures. 4 days to revamp those recordings, given the album will be 41-60 minutes long... Quite a tight schedule but not impossible. No lodgings, let's assume I'm just round the corner. Studio B, the cheapest. House engineer. $2800
officernarc	Date: November 5, 2007 @ 5:15 AM On 4th Nov 2009, ChillinBuzz said: that's not $1000 or $500... holy fuck. you are splitting hairs. the fact is that it can be done. how else do you think bands like black flag, minor threat, the teen idles, blah blah blah, did it back in the day? they had budgets of, like, 500 dollars. the whole reason why budgets on records go through the roof is because bands spend days pissing around in studios. i mean, you shouldn't really be doing anything in the studio other than recording material. as an independent artist, unless you have lots of cash kicking around, you don't really have the luxury of sitting in the studio for days at a time.
evansorchid	Date: November 5, 2007 @ 6:01 AM Only Moam can start a thread promoting his songs and have it end up as an arguement...
LiQuidMetamo...	Date: November 5, 2007 @ 8:09 AM It costs 500-1000 dollars to master an album too, if you want it to sound anything half decent. Those facilities offering mastering under 300 dollars just use UAD-1 or waves plug ins and don't spend much time honing the sound to it's best quality, they whack on a compressor, roll off bass below 30 Hz and brighten the high end tone and use a limiter/volume maximizer to whack up the levels and prevent (too much) clipping. Looking at rates here, I'd say it was possible to record a 4 or 5 track EP for 1000 dollars, if the band really had rehearsed the material to perfection or were taking in MIDI/audio files recorded to a reasonable standard at home to complete them and mix in the studio. A whole 10-12 track album would need more invested. A friend of mine's group spent 2000 CDN recording a 4 track EP with mastering and they had been gigging for over a year so knew the songs (which were basic 3-4 minutes pop punk affairs). Admittedly this was in a good studio with a name producer, but they have no regrets.
moam	Date: November 5, 2007 @ 9:36 AM Honestly, if I had the option, which I don't I would use even a "cheap" studio...but I can't afford shit with my college tuition to take care of. So with that said, I think I would rather take advantage of free studio time in my own room It may not sound perfect like a lot of these main stream fans, but I mostly just do it for fun anyway Anyways, I appreciate all the feedback I've been getting! Thanks people!
moam	Date: November 5, 2007 @ 9:37 AM *main stream bands Damn early mornings
HenriRoger	Date: November 5, 2007 @ 10:06 AM Since I put my music on music sites,and participate , I'm surprised by the number of people listening to indie music . They can listen to their fav genres with web radios , get all the music they like for free with p2p ... Why do they listen to indie music ? Not for the sound quality , most indie production can't reach the studios level ... So it's something else they're looking for .
ChillinBuzz	Date: November 5, 2007 @ 10:47 AM Damn right I'm splitting hairs, Narc. You go throwing a figure around based on a few songs when the reality couldn't be any more different. You made a number up and I asked for proof. What you gave back was virtually unrealistic for an album! And using an argument like "how they did it back in the day" is no fucking good in the PRESENT as prices have increased tremendously! Duh!
realmedia	Date: November 5, 2007 @ 4:18 PM its ten times better to learn by recording yer own stuff on a digital studio than going to real studio~ not only do you learn the process of recording mixxing mastering and engineering you get alot better as time gos by, not to mention the money it costs for mastering~recording time~etc~etc~ i will never pay a studio to work on something as personal as my music thats why we say ban the riaa they suck and just want yer money~ i have heard so many awesome songs and c.d.s done by the people that make the music~ in my opinion they sound ten times better than a studio could do~ it makes it more personal to produce yer own tracks and learn to mixx and master yerself~ thats why were here on dmusic to get real and to get better and grow as artists ~ remember the old saying "dont rely on someone else to do yer work for you" "do it yerself" to dmusic and its members~ live long and prosper!!!
LiQuidMetamo...	Date: November 5, 2007 @ 5:28 PM The sound quality you can get from digital software recording or digital hardware recorders at home with free or low cost plugins is vastly superior to what it was and with experience some great sounding recordings can be made. Yes, a little extra tone and polish can be gotten from expensive studio gear but a good song is a good song on a 4 track tape machine, computer recording or a top studio such as The Record Plant. Unless you are signed and have promotion or financial backing from investors/management, there is not much point in spending hundreds or thousands of dollars in a studio. People still buy CDs from indie artists if the songs are strong enough. You cannot polish a turd as they say, no studio in the world can make a terrible song sound good, they can only brighten it's tone.
HenriRoger	Date: November 5, 2007 @ 5:46 PM The big difference is when recording acoustic stuff or eletric guitars and bass . Much harder in home studios .
moam	Date: November 8, 2007 @ 12:44 AM http://moam.dmusic.com/music/ 2 more new tracks added to the album: 6 - END (Enter New Dimension) 7 - Disposed (feat Israfel) I will be updating this topic whenever I add more tracks to my album.
Israfel	Date: November 8, 2007 @ 8:58 AM And by the way - he let me sing on this one! Disposed - http://moam.dmusic.com/music/comments/361946
moam	Date: November 9, 2007 @ 3:02 PM http://moam.dmusic.com/music/ 2 new tracks added to the album: 8 - Words You Said 9 - Silence Go check out the album on my page
Bluenevus	Date: November 10, 2007 @ 8:03 PM MOAM.... Sounds good to me..!
moam	Date: November 21, 2007 @ 7:10 PM Album, "As It Ends" complete!!! http://moam.dmusic.com/music/ 3 more new tracks added to the album: 10 - The Undoing 11 - Eternal Night (feat Aorpete) 12 - Gears I recommend downloading the tracks and listening to the album all the way through
Falling9	Date: November 22, 2007 @ 5:52 AM sounding good dude!
moam	Date: November 22, 2007 @ 12:46 PM Thanks a lot everyone who has taken the time to check it out!! In the next few days I will be putting this CD into a zip file for everyone to download all at once...which will include that art AND every track at its most updated form.

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