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NoRentJoseph	Date: October 28, 2007 @ 8:29 AM Heres something I read about a while back. Whereas I appreciate you can get vocal removal tools. it's quite an easy task to do. In this guide, I shall use Sound forge as the audio editor. This is not always successful, and works better with the original source, but will work with a lossy mp3 OK Here goes 1 - Load your Stereo track into soundforge. I used Bob Dylan "As I went out one morning" 2 - Select all of the right Channel. (no harm is using the left) Now goto "Process" and select "Invert/flip" 3 - Now select both channels (left/right)and goto "Process" and select "Channel Converter" If it's set to Stereo then change it to mono. If it's already Mono, Then just OK the process. If all went well. You should be left with a near on Vocal Free track. And should only hear spillage from the reverb This Next step is optional 4 - Select your mono Signal. Go back to "Process" "Channel Converter" and turn it back to Stereo. I hear you say, but I'm left with two mono Channels that are identical. True, However if you now select once channel at a time and tinker with the EQ. You will create a kind of fake stereo. I hope this might be of some use to some of you. I'll try and do the same with Audacity soon
evansorchid	Date: October 28, 2007 @ 10:08 AM Interesting. I followed your instructions with one of my original tracks and the results were kinda cool. It did reduce the volume level of the vocal track, but you could still kinda hear it in the background like a low reverb echo. The guitars and bass sounded like they were in a tunnel with some type of slapback reverb. But, the thing that surprised me was that it took out the drums almost completely. I know that Sound Forge is a great tool and I need to explore more of the functions. I've never used the Invert/Flip or the Channel Converter functions before I mainly use it for either compression/limiting vocal tracks and final EQing.
NoRentJoseph	Date: October 28, 2007 @ 11:22 AM I works well with old 60's recordings. As the recordings were alot more simple. The idea being that most instruments are generally panned about in a mix(As you all know) sorry and the Vocal was/is traditionally placed in the centre So by swapping the panning about and converting to mono. Anything thats in the middle of the stereo mix gets cancelled out. The Ghost like vocals are reminance of the reverb that spills over more than just the centre of the mix. It's a bit hit and Miss. but ultimately, Short of owning the Master mix. I can't see any other way of doing it. I'd be impressed if a software app could detect what is vocal and remove it. . I mean Properly without compromising the rest of the mix too much If anything I've said is incorrect. please correct me. I think I'm right.
LiQuidMetamo...	Date: October 28, 2007 @ 10:29 PM The technique isn't perfect, it never could be. There are no plugins or hardware that reliably remove vocals, what they often do is take everything from around 200 Hz - 4 Khz out of the centre pan area (where vocals are usually panned). This does not remove the entire vocal but takes out about 85-95% of it but it's a bit like using a nuclear missile to demolish a house, it takes out the house and ALL THE OTHER HOUSES WITHIN 20 miles !!!! Anything else with frequencies panned centre has their knees taken off with the vocals !! (snare drums, any guitar parts panned middle etc) Also, in the 60s and 70s they didn't tend to delay or use long reverb on vocals and send them out as stereo returns much (Led Zeppelin excepted) but these days almost every track has big vocals that have stereo delays and lush stereo reverbs and you still hear those delays as they are not panned centrally. It is fun to experiment with it and sometimes you get a usable result but quite often the remaining sound is unbalanced and not the best.
hexagon	Date: November 3, 2007 @ 6:08 AM On 28th Oct 2009, NoRentJoseph said: Heres something I read about a while back. Whereas I appreciate you can get vocal removal tools. it's quite an easy task to do. In this guide, I shall use Sound forge as the audio editor. This is not always successful, and works better with the original source, but will work with a lossy mp3 OK Here goes 1 - Load your Stereo track into soundforge. I used Bob Dylan "As I went out one morning" 2 - Select all of the right Channel. (no harm is using the left) Now goto "Process" and select "Invert/flip" 3 - Now select both channels (left/right)and goto "Process" and select "Channel Converter" If it's set to Stereo then change it to mono. If it's already Mono, Then just OK the process. If all went well. You should be left with a near on Vocal Free track. And should only hear spillage from the reverb This Next step is optional 4 - Select your mono Signal. Go back to "Process" "Channel Converter" and turn it back to Stereo. I hear you say, but I'm left with two mono Channels that are identical. True, However if you now select once channel at a time and tinker with the EQ. You will create a kind of fake stereo. I hope this might be of some use to some of you. I'll try and do the same with Audacity soon On 28th Oct 2009, NoRentJoseph said: Heres something I read about a while back. Whereas I appreciate you can get vocal removal tools. it's quite an easy task to do. In this guide, I shall use Sound forge as the audio editor. This is not always successful, and works better with the original source, but will work with a lossy mp3 OK Here goes 1 - Load your Stereo track into soundforge. I used Bob Dylan "As I went out one morning" 2 - Select all of the right Channel. (no harm is using the left) Now goto "Process" and select "Invert/flip" 3 - Now select both channels (left/right)and goto "Process" and select "Channel Converter" If it's set to Stereo then change it to mono. If it's already Mono, Then just OK the process. If all went well. You should be left with a near on Vocal Free track. And should only hear spillage from the reverb This Next step is optional 4 - Select your mono Signal. Go back to "Process" "Channel Converter" and turn it back to Stereo. I hear you say, but I'm left with two mono Channels that are identical. True, However if you now select once channel at a time and tinker with the EQ. You will create a kind of fake stereo. I hope this might be of some use to some of you. I'll try and do the same with Audacity soon It is difficult to remove the vocals completely, I used FlexiMusic Audio Editor for doing this, it can be remove to some extent. Have a try to it.
NoRentJoseph	Date: November 3, 2007 @ 7:02 AM Nice one Hexagon. They've got some useful looking applications
PrincessTast...	Date: November 3, 2007 @ 7:12 AM This process does not work well with more modern stuff, as everything is way overcompressed. Just sounds like needles in your ears.
NoRentJoseph	Date: November 3, 2007 @ 7:46 AM

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