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Woof	Date: March 27, 2008 @ 3:49 PM Hi. I've been thinking again. And we all know how dangerous that can be ha ha... I'd like to propose a model that I think would be a great fit for DM's future plans. Leflaw has mentioned adding video capabilities to this site already, and I think that, if we put the right twist on the concept, we could grow into a production house. DM is already a great place to make connections, specifically when it comes to collaboration. Its' weak spot has always been promotion. I've looked at SoundClick, and for $9 per month or something, you can get a VIP account there, which is ridiculous. It's ridiculous because the VIP account allows you to skin your band page and have it be ad-free... and while the ad-free part is nice, there's a ton of exposure and skinnable page features already available for free at those two monoliths of promotion: MySpace and YouTube. Before you rush to judgment, hear me out. I think YouTube is fantastic for promoting bands. The reason for this, is because you're networking with lots of people, working with audiovisual media, which makes your music a lot easier for new listeners to grasp, and because the quality of the video and audio there is low. Yes... low quality is a plus. Why would anybody buy your songs, when brilliant high resolution mp3's are available for free? Okay... a few fans would. Because they believe in supporting you. But most will just take the free stuff and run. By putting up promotional videos of your songs, and growing your audience on YouTube and MySpace, people can preview your material as often as they want, but if they want good quality versions of the songs, they'll have to buy them, either as a CD, or off of iTunes or something. So... how does DMusic fit into the picture? By modifying the same tools for collaboration that we have for audio production, to include video production. It's time to grow with the media. I'm proposing that users would be able to upload video footage for editing, not streaming. That way, members could work together on each others' projects. Different people have different skills, after all... and someone might be great at shooting footage, while another might be fantastic at editing. Still another might be capable of putting together killer titles. Lots of OMD sites offer bands the opportunity to upload video now, but as far as I know, there's no site that caters specifically to networking for music video production. People could even charge a little for their services. And in the end, the artists would be able to tap into this now-standard realm of promoting themselves. As a matter of fact, when I order CD's these days, I usually go for the limited edition first pressing, that includes a DVD with the promotional videos on it. Bands have promoted themselves like that in Japan for years now. And it's not unheard of to charge $20+ over there, for the standard pressing of just the CD. So, yeah... this would build a cooperative community with a well defined purpose and goals. I like that. Do you?
Cryxan	Date: March 27, 2008 @ 11:32 PM I like this idea. It's certainly forward-thinking.
ChillinBuzz	Date: March 28, 2008 @ 12:10 AM Definitely. A little dangerous thinking would do us a world of good.
ShadowMom	Date: March 28, 2008 @ 5:59 AM Personally, in the vein of promotion-- I would like to see the upcoming events splashed across the universe. What better way to promote our artists than to really let people know when they're performing and where? In neon letters, please! Perhaps an airplane skywriting it! A simple thing, but important. I like Woof's idea, but for me the video is something I usually look at ... once. It's the music itself I always come back to. Again and again! But right now videos are the best promotional tools, if they're done right. And by working with others, maybe some people who are a little shy or just new at this would be more willing to try.
Woof	Date: March 28, 2008 @ 10:49 AM I didn't want to overload folks with information in that initial post, but now that it seems there might be some interest, I think it's appropriate to mention more details. Hope that's okay. Music videos are only part of the promotional process. Of course, it's the part that artists all want to be the most perfect, and they're usually the focus of an artist's presentation. What seems to be equally important to promotion these days, though, is artists presenting themselves as people. Here's an example... Let's say you've listened to, and watched the PV for Pop Dolls' "Magazines". You like it, and subscribe to their channel. Wouldn't it be great to have a few video blogs done by Barbie and Vince to watch as well? You know... to sort of expand the scope? That's part of promotion, too. Sometimes, people tune in to the vlogs first, and then listen to the music if they like the people. So, you're approaching your audience from lots of angles, and that makes you more than another indie artist with a few songs to peddle. I've even seen interviews that have been done with editing. One person records their part, where their asking the questions... and then the other person records their part with the responses, and then it's edited. The advantage of having this kind of presentation all on one channel, is that it uses one page to accomplish two goals. Most of the artists here who are more active, post on the forums. That shows who they are as people, and it's part of promotion... or, at least, part of interaction. By consolidating both aspects into a single presentation, the casual viewer is more likely to find something in particular that they find appealing. Case in point: A month or so ago, I checked this vlog. It was okay. Nothing that particularly interested me, though. On the same page, however, were several clips of the vlogger playing piano... and playing beautifully. I tuned in for the vlog, and stayed for the music. Now I'm a fan. See how it works?
Dizeazed	Date: March 28, 2008 @ 10:23 PM No, I'm confused. You want to make it so DMers can upload videos... but only to be edited, not streamed? What? I'm a bit lost as to what you think this will add to the community or the promotion of the bands here on DM.
zedsalt	Date: March 29, 2008 @ 3:59 AM As I'm sitting here with the reading material I keep by the 'puter for perusal while I'm waiting between clicking on a thread and viewing it, all I can think about this broadband-only stuff is, "Sure, as long as nothing like that loads automatically". I've already had to wait elsewhere for a media player interface to load BEFORE I could start an approximately 40 min. to hour-and-a-half download. I won't be revisiting any of those sites.
Woof	Date: March 29, 2008 @ 8:59 AM I'm sorry I didn't make that quite as clear as I should have. The concept is to promote DMusic as a place where artists can come, to work cooperatively with other artists in establishing a presence on the web overall. One OMD site doesn't seem to be enough anymore. To get some real promotion going, it's my opinion that artists need to establish themselves in several places on the web, as well as in the real world. As for the video format, I'm looking at artists being able to upload high quality video, for purposes of enabling other members of the comunity to download it and work with the artists to develop multimedia presentations that the artists can use in a number of venues, not just here at DMusic. I take the point that a download only format without the option of streaming a preview might not be effective. I see no reason why DM can't offer both. And of course, the finished projects could certainly be viewed by audiences right here on DM as streaming media similar to what's offered at other OMD sites as well as YouTube. I think that ShadowMom made a good point, in mentioning that this might encourage more artists to get involved in the medium, because they'd be able to get assistance when they hit a snag while attempting to do it all themselves. Much like DeviantArt, this could also attract additional types of creative talent, who would ultimately be listening to what's offered here, possibly promoting it elsewhere on the web if they like it, and certainly promoting any project that they're cooperatively involved in on their own faforite places online. That would lead to additional exposure for your music.
Woof	Date: March 29, 2008 @ 9:03 AM PS. "faforite"?! Sheesh...
LiQuidMetamo...	Date: March 29, 2008 @ 11:01 AM Soundclick does not represent great value for it's VIP members IMHO, you get to upload in bitrates other than 128 Kbps and some free banner ads and discounts on promoting yourself. I don't think there are many Sounclick subscribers as a % of their total user base, I certainly wouldn't spend money there to subscribe, although I have a free page there.
GTOriginal	Date: March 29, 2008 @ 11:03 PM I would like to see the clock fixed, so I can tell what time it is.
Jennae	Date: April 1, 2008 @ 1:15 PM @ GT.. I will second that.. all in favor say ""
Jennae	Date: April 1, 2008 @ 1:16 PM @ GT.. I will second that.. all in favor say ""
Tattoomom	Date: April 1, 2008 @ 3:33 PM HA! Jennae double posted!!!
zedsalt	Date: April 2, 2008 @ 3:38 AM :Eye:
zedsalt	Date: April 2, 2008 @ 3:38 AM ?
zedsalt	Date: April 2, 2008 @ 3:39 AM Aye!
BOWILLIE	Date: April 2, 2008 @ 3:40 AM ..arrr.
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 2, 2008 @ 7:19 AM oo-er
independentm...	Date: April 4, 2008 @ 5:42 AM "Yes... low quality is a plus. Why would anybody buy your songs, when brilliant high resolution mp3's are available for free?" REAL fans are the ones who are gonna buy your stuff anyways. Make more REAL fans by giving them your best.
independentm...	Date: April 4, 2008 @ 5:51 AM I think DMusic should look into partnering with ReVVer. OR, do something akin to what ReVVer is doing all on its' own. DMusic should attempt to be THE place on the web where everybody goes to find streaming music vids. No other site really has that distinction yet. Although OurStage is fast becoming that. DMusic needs to strike while the iron's hot.
Woof	Date: April 4, 2008 @ 8:52 AM I dunno, Shmoo... It looks to me like the iron was hot when MySpace and YouTube were first being launched, and now we're seeing less popular, albeit higher quality, copycats. I'm talking about DMusic being a repository for works-in-progress, pure and simple. It would help artists prepare for promotion elsewhere. I guess you could say I'm looking at it as sort of a multimedia version of Harmony Central. That, to me, would be fresh. I've looked seriously at success of businesses on the web for a couple of years now, and the major successes seem to have always been driven by offering innovative combinations of technology. It doesn't have to be earth shattering technology, either... MySpace certainly proved that. It just has to be a complementary array. In other words, a good recipe. I looked at OurStage and ReVVer. OurStage looks appealing to artists, but that's who they seem to be targeting with their presentation. That struck me as odd. Like many sites, they offer a host of features in the interest of enticing artists to sign up, but very little of their presentation looks like it's geared towards appealing to potential fans. They've defined their audience, and it ain't people looking for music. Another subscription-based claim of promotion, perhaps? ReVVer was more interesting, although their affiliation with AOL gave me the impression that they will eventually be using that service to promote AOL affiliated content over independents. Sort of like Mp3.com does now. All of their top artists are signed. To compete, the independents need to produce materials that are on a par with what the majors are doing. The public has been conditioned to expect certain standards will be met, in both audio and video production. If anything sub-par is released, it looks homemade, and is usually dismissed. Technological advances in home audio and video production have certainly placed all of the tools necessary to compete, in the hands of just about everyone. To me, it's just a question of whether independents are capable of teaming up, in the interest of taking full advantage of the break that they've been given. That's why I'm thinking along the lines of Production House. The individuals who have managed to make a name for themselves as a result of harnessing internet promotional tools so far, have mostly been novelties. Their efforts go viral because they're absurd, not because they're quality. I think that, when the public sees that independents are capable of the same or better skills as the majors, that's how we're going to finally get respect. We won't get it by default i.e. people will turn to indies as "good" because the majors are "bad". People will turn to indies, when they see that independent production values are as good, or better, than the majors. There have been many "accidents" in the music industry over the years. The Mothers Of Invention, Alice Cooper, The Grateful Dead, and a host of other bands that are revered today, were signed because the execs really didn't know what would click with the public, so they took risks. That's something that rarely happens today, although there are one or two examples that come to mind. By taking the reigns ourselves, I think we can avoid the need to be signed, to produce first rate material. And that eliminates the necessity of the majors, the RIAA, and all the crap that comes with it. I've been saying this for years, though, and nobody seems to care much about doing it. In the meantime, the rest of the web is catching on, and it's on its' way. I think that the question we have to ask ourselves, is whether we want to be prepared when it hits, or not. Because, it's going to...
leflaw	Date: April 4, 2008 @ 9:38 AM I like that...
independentm...	Date: April 4, 2008 @ 1:35 PM OurStage is like the old Garageband.com (but better and more modern) ReVVer is like YouTube, but they share ad revenue with the users. The point I'm trying to make is that there are not many strictly "music video" destination on the web. All the big video sites are for videos of any kind. I think DMusic should strive to become THE flagship indie music video site on the web (in addition to what it already does.) I was not aware ReVVer was affiliated with AOL. (You might be thinking of OurStage who is buddy buddy with AOL, but ReVVer was loosly associated with the creative commons and the Internet Archive last I checked.)
Woof	Date: April 4, 2008 @ 3:29 PM I stand corrected, Shmoo... It was OurStage that had the AOL affiliation, not ReVVer. Thanks a million for setting the record straight. You do know that YouTube offers a revenue sharing program for its' content providers too though, don't you? It's their "YouTube Partner Program". Not without its' flaws, but it's a program in practice, now. To be fair, I did come across a fantastic analysys of that program by one of their content providers. It's kind of a rant as well, but offers a really good insight into the pros and cons of online video content providers. I shared it with the admins here, because I didn't think it would interest the general membership. You might find it interesting though, if you can set 11 minutes aside to really listen to this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avTO1ZdMk20
zedsalt	Date: April 5, 2008 @ 4:31 AM I pay a lot of attention to what people are viewing and/or listening to in the library internet labs, the internet lounges, and wi-fi hotspots in restaurants. Between, say, half and two-thirds of the time, if they're watching music videos, they're watching mp3.com, and the lead over YouTube appears to be growing. I'm told that this trend is much more rapid in the major population centers than it is here in rural Indiana. The distinction between some Major and damn nigh exclusively Indie is an important one, but the real novelty, the real innovation in Woof's suggestion, is in the idea of video production collaboration. Without that, DMusic video is a really bad idea.
ShadowMom	Date: April 5, 2008 @ 4:54 AM I watched the video, Woof, and despite the rambling and name-calling, I got the gist of what he was saying. But marketing, especially on the internet, is outside my realm of understanding. He didn't sell me, though, although I see where he's headed with it. Are you suggesting something like this for DMusic in the future? One thing I've always loved about DMusic over other sites is the cooperation, on many levels, between the artists. Everyone here leaves their egos at the door, so to speak, and the few who don't generally don't stay long. But to the point, would you say this IS the future, one way or another?
Tattoomom	Date: April 5, 2008 @ 5:07 AM Actually...this idea is already possible. We thought about it when we did the collab with McCabe Road Dogs. They would shoot some footage of themselves playing in the garage and skating and acting like goofs or whatever they do... and then Bill would just edit some material of ours into and post it where the whole world could see...sort of like we HAD actually gone to their garage and jammed with them. DMusic would have been the ideal place to upload such video since it was a musical collaboration as well...but it never came to fruition because they didn't have the equipment they needed to shoot the footage.
Woof	Date: April 5, 2008 @ 8:49 AM Well it's Saturday, and I've left my business chops at the door for the weekend, but if you'll bear with me, I'll do my best to answer your questions. I'm in 100% agreement with Zed, that DM would basically be the same as any other modern OMD site, without the option of video collaboration. And as Tattomom pointed out, the concept is extremely do-able. People are already doing this, as a matter of fact, for their YouTube videos. Her method of mixing and matching alternate footage from different sources is exactly what I'm talking about. ShadowMom raises all the right questions as well. Originally, when I sent that link out, I figured it would be of interest to the admins because the gentleman who made it talks a lot about the type of content that advertisers would find acceptable. That's an important first step, because to make an ad revenue based model work, people need to realize that certain things just aren't going to be appealing to advertisers. That's not to say that anybody should censor their creative scope to suit the marketing people. It simply means that artists who make and promote video content that appeals to both the public and the advertisers could be in a position to share in the ad revenues. This gives artists an extra incentive to make content. Let's say, for example, that DM is expecting to generate X amount of dollars in ad revenue, as a result of adding video to the site. When the top content providers (video producers... that's us, folks) have proven that they have attracted advertisers as a result of their content, they are rewarded. The gentleman's point was, everybody gets a shot. So, if douring the course of a given week or month, some n00b uploads something that generates tons of hits, AND the advertisers like the image that's presented, that person would receive a share of the increased revenue as a reward for their efforts. I don't want to get too deeply into that end of things, though, because we're creative people who want to accomplish a lot more with our work, than make some advertisers happy. That shouldn't be our main objective. It's just an extra perk for some people who would like to see a little immediate cash to help fund their future projects. The real advantage, would be the possibility of having DVD's to sell with our CD's as a combined package, having audiovisual promotional content to upload anywhere on the web that we like, and to send as part of our presskits. [deep breath] Okay... given all of that... let's say it becomes an actual option here... our profiles here at DM would start to make a lot more sense as well. Instead of a handful of amusing photos and bios where we could enter fun facts like our favorite flavor of ice cream or something, the first page that folks could see, would be an artist overview, skillset, and list of recent projects. Sort of an online resume. There could be a tab for an EPK (electronic press kit), as well as a tab for visitors to listen to and view our portfolio. That would be our completed works... Music, Video, etc. There would be the usual contact forms as well. Of course, if this was done, DM pages sure wouldn't bear a lot of resemblence to SoundClick or MySpace pages. It would be drier and more factual, because visitors wouldn't be looking to be wowed by how many animated gif's you can cram into a 400x400 px window... they'd be wanting to read your credentials, and review your finished work. All of this is ad supported (for non-subscribers, of course). And hey... if people get entertained in the process, ain't nuthin wrong with that.
ShadowMom	Date: April 5, 2008 @ 8:55 AM And all of this would be optional, of course-- because some of us ain't got nuthin to put in all them fancy things your talkin' 'bout! This could be very good
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 11, 2008 @ 5:28 PM How about... "Pimp My DM Server"?
Mojosnake	Date: April 16, 2009 @ 8:27 AM On 11th Apr 2012, ChillinBuzz said: How about...
vilifiend	Date: April 16, 2009 @ 9:49 PM I read three lines of wolf's threads and i get tired. dunno why. bores me to tears.
victorsskull	Date: April 16, 2009 @ 10:09 PM ya I hate reading
Guest	Date: April 16, 2009 @ 10:43 PM Roxorz!!!! yeah! Nintendo. YEAH! fuck reading, it rots your mind. HELL YEA. run EVERYONE AWAY WITH A MIND. Guest out!
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 16, 2009 @ 10:54 PM On 16th Apr 2012, vilifiend said: I read three lines of wolf's threads and i get tired. dunno why. bores me to tears. If my ass shook half as much as yours does then it would bore me to tears too.
vilifiend	Date: April 16, 2009 @ 11:11 PM On 16th Apr 2012, guest said: Roxorz!!!! yeah! Nintendo. YEAH! fuck reading, it rots your mind. HELL YEA. run EVERYONE AWAY WITH A MIND. Guest out! lol, never said a thing about not liking reading, nintendo, pop culture, doritos and twinkies and jerry springer, etc. i havent turned a tv on in 4 years for christs sake. god i hate the guest account. makes me suspicious of everyone being a total prick. at least i come out with being an asshole when i feel like being an asshole. i have low self esteem but for fucks sake how socially incapable do you have to be to even be afraid on the internet. do the keys scare you? my heart goes out to you. it was a big step. we're here for you.
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 16, 2009 @ 11:13 PM Just a question... If we run everyone away with a mind (therefore, we are mindless) then why is guest talking? Are they mindless too?
grape123	Date: April 16, 2009 @ 11:17 PM On 16th Apr 2012, guest said: Roxorz!!!! yeah! Nintendo. YEAH! fuck reading, it rots your mind. HELL YEA. run EVERYONE AWAY WITH A MIND. Guest out! I don't give a fuck if Shadowmom or RH changed my username to "grape123". I'm still out to rape guest whenever I see the mother fucker...soooo bend the fuck over bitch.
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 16, 2009 @ 11:19 PM wtf...
imemine	Date: April 16, 2009 @ 11:34 PM I love this place! Grape Rape..... reminds me of that cartoon...Grape Ape! HEY....WHAT....A....FREAKIN' MORON! Nice ass vilifiend! ...and Woof was my friend.....and a FEW of you losers ran him off. GUEST!.....show yourself!!!!!!!! Ya know...FUCK ALL OF YOU!
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 16, 2009 @ 11:57 PM Grape's definitely a freak. We didn't run anyone off. I didn't see anyone push him out the exit, did you?
ShadowMom	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 7:07 AM Rape is like torture or murder... I can't find anything funny about it. And I think it's sad that some of you do.
Guest	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 7:55 AM I'm with Shadowmom on this one. This is Israfel, btw. Go ahead and slam my "lack of sense of humor" but this just isn't funny.
Mojosnake	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 8:28 AM what the hall .... this is way the wrong thread for ... but par for the course here hey .. I've become a fan of the verbal abuse forum .. and I think I have tried to keep such "humors" there.. it's amazing I know that you might think I would say such a thing .. maybe I'm getting old ....
Mojosnake	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 8:29 AM of coures only really refering to the geust's and grapes outburst 's
Guest	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 8:52 AM Rape humor is juvenile. It's not particularly funny. Know what IS funny? The fact that WOOF commented on this thread. That is simply hysterical!
Mojosnake	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 9:09 AM woof started the trhead ...
Guest	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 9:31 AM OMG I'm DYIN!!! This is SO FUNNY! HAHAHA!!!! Woof started the thread, and woof commented in the past couple of days under an alt name, like "he" has been doing for years. Only sad thing is that someone considered this douchebag a "friend".
moam	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 9:41 AM On 17th Apr 2012, ShadowMom said: Rape is like torture or murder... I can't find anything funny about it. And I think it's sad that some of you do. Ugh wow, really? Well durrrr there's nothing funny about rape. People who rape other people and do that shit are nasty-ass-scum pieces of shit...but do any of you really think I actually MEAN any of the shit I say here on DM? Really?? Do any of you actually think I rape chickens? Do you honestly think that when I hear about some criminal on tv who raped somebody I LAUGH?? Fuck that. No, I wish they were dead. Truth is, the things I say here on DM are nowhere NEAR the type of person I am in real life...and the only reason I say the things that I do is the crazy reaction I get out of some people. Now THAT'S what's humorous. I love just testing everyone's threads to see how far I can pull them before they snap and apparently nobody can handle the word "rape" even though I'm not even remotely serious about it. I think the bigger issue is definitely this "guest" bullshit just like vili has said. It's fuckin' annoying how people are finally stepping out of their boxes and saying dick-headed things just because they can hide their identity. Just goes to show that dm is full of cowards. Ugh...just wow.
Mojosnake	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 9:44 AM On 17th Apr 2012, moam said: [QUOTE info=ShadowMom,April 17, 2009 @ 7:07 AM]Rape is like torture or murder... I can't find anything funny about it. And I think it's sad that some of you do. Ugh wow, really? Well durrrr there's nothing funny about rape. People who rape other people and do that shit are nasty-ass-scum pieces of shit...but do any of you really think I actually MEAN any of the shit I say here on DM? Really?? Do any of you actually think I rape chickens? Do you honestly think that when I hear about some criminal on tv who raped somebody I LAUGH?? Fuck that. No, I wish they were dead. Truth is, the things I say here on DM are nowhere NEAR the type of person I am in real life...and the only reason I say the things that I do is the crazy reaction I get out of some people. Now THAT'S what's humorous. I love just testing everyone's threads to see how far I can pull them before they snap and apparently nobody can handle the word [/QUOTE] AGREED!!!
Mojosnake	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 9:45 AM damn it didnt quote what moam said about the guest......
zedsalt	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 9:52 AM It's always fun to read back through these threads and try to identify the point the discussion shifted from one topic to another. It's more entertaining than "Six Degrees to Kevin Bacon". Ookay, lessee, we started with music video collaboration, and we landed on "is rape funny?"...
Guest	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 9:52 AM MOAM : "Truth is, the things I say here on DM are nowhere NEAR the type of person I am in real life...and the only reason I say the things that I do is the crazy reaction I get out of some people." Isn't that exactly the same as the guest account? Why not just be yourself whether online or off? (Directed to everyone, not just MOAM) This comment has been posted under the guest account for ironic effect.
zedsalt	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 10:04 AM I think there are a number of pretty substantial differences between creating a persona and making anonymous statements. And I can easily answer the second question: the "real world" me is boring and forgettable.
Mojosnake	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 10:23 AM I'm soooo much cooler online
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 10:53 AM Hmm, don't recall saying I found rape funny... But if you were to fall under a truck, I might laugh for real. I do find it funny though when said comments (about rape) are blatantly breaching the TOS but the only admin (sic) to say anything does nothing... Moam, maybe you should start impersonating me. And no, what Moam does is not like the guest account at all. Moam had the balls to make that comment under his real name, so everyone knows who it is.
Guest	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 11:10 AM So he was christened MOAM?
Guest	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 11:14 AM And why the digs at Shadowmom, Chillinbuzz? She's the best admin (yes SIC) this site has, and if she were to fall under a truck and you were to find that funny then the shame is all yours. You are the bitchiest man (sic) I have ever had the displeasure to encounter.
Mojosnake	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 11:18 AM On 17th Apr 2012, guest said: And why the digs at Shadowmom, Chillinbuzz? She's the best admin (yes SIC) this site has, and if she were to fall under a truck and you were to find that funny then the shame is all yours. You are the bitchiest man (sic) I have ever had the displeasure to encounter. and the fact that you cant say that as a user instead of a guest makes you a coward .. at least he has the balls to speak his mind out in the open ... COWARD!!!!!
moam	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 11:34 AM Sheesh so many thoughts at once here and I just came back from my art class so my brain is pretty much fried from all the brainstorming I've been doing on a project But anyways, DM is the only place where I am this crude and obnoxious because this is the only place where I can say what I want and I just won't care what anyone thinks about it. Sure, there is a part of the real me on DM here...like in my music. And some of the humor is actually the real me. I mean, the act of "rape" and the whole "surprise! buttsecks!" thing are two completely different things and I don't see whats so horribly offense about grape123 I made it for the soul purpose of mocking the guest username because seriously people...guest is fucking annoying. Me being completely different on a DM account than in real life is not the same as posting as guest. At least you know who I am. Many of you on DM here even have my fucking fakebonk account so you know who I am. I'm not trying to hide my identity from anyone. I'm not afraid to post my thoughts/feelings as myself instead of some lame ass anonymous guest. And as much as some of you probably disagree with me in this topic, just for the record, I haven't lost respect for anyone... Shadowmom I know you do an EXCELLENT job here so I'm not trying to bash you. But I am bashing guest because I think it is ridiculous and a few people I'm sure I usually respect on here have said some completely dick-headed things...under GUEST. It would be different if they had said it under their username. Even if it was dick-headed, at least they had the balls to post it under their own name. I would have more respect for that even if I disagreed with a dick-headed comment. But...it just seems like the only time people ever come out of their shell and say what they really think is when its under the fucking guest account. Sad.
BOWILLIE	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 11:44 AM adim could solve this issue by simply ending the account. what started im sure with good intentions has really caused more turmoil and lack of (the guest users) from logging in or joining..makes it too easy for them to voice a opinion and not have to suffer the repercussions of it. take a vote..poll it..ya or nay.. it was a good idea..but it seems to have failed. any good came of it besides anger/name calling and ill will?
Mojosnake	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 11:51 AM I would suspect not bo ... I really cant think of a time when the guest acc. wasent used by someone that already had an account.. I agree that this had good intentions to start with(maybe as a way to get real geust's to be more social ) but agreed this isnt happening .... defo with a poll .. but remember this site isnt a democracy .. it's owned by somebody ..and for some strange reason he allows all this to go on ... I'm no angel ... but I ALWAYS log in ....
GTOriginal	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 12:28 PM You know what? I disagree with all of you. The guest account is anonymous, but so is creating a false ID - which is how people have been doing the exact same crap here for years. The only difference is that "guest" does not inflate the artist stats - EIGHTY THOUSAND some-odd artists on this site? Pffft. There's more like twelve on a good day. The inflated numbers are a red flag of bullshit to anyone who pays attention. So what if "guest" annoys you? It's fucking guest. Ignore him or her the way you would a regular user and all is good, for those who aren't so insecure they can't let the last word slide. I think when everyone quits the site and there's 2 artists left, one will be on as guest and the other will create a false ID - then they can bicker to the death.
Israfel	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 1:00 PM I agree with you GT on the guest account issue. Now here's my diatribe...so have at me, all of you. Woof started this thread in 2008. Someone regurgitated it a full year later. I know for a fact Woof has not posted here at DM in a long, long time. How do I know? Because I know him personally, live in the same city and talk to him often. He rarely, if ever, even takes a look at what might be going on here. Why would he? It was made clear that his opinion was not wanted and so he left. Too bad. He generally had interesting input, was very supportive of artists on the site and had many friends here. He was no more opionated than anyone else here yet...well, it is what it is. Seriously, Moam, you know I love ya but do you not think for a minute that what you say here, even in humor, could be insulting, degrading and outright offensive to some people? I'm not saying that a little off color humor can't be fun but when it starts getting to the point that it is all that there is doesn't that only stand to reason that it will cross a line? And saying that you're not like this in real life...what is that? Isn't that the same argmument people use when they say "I would never use the N word in public but a N word joke among my friends is different". No, it's not. It's the same. Because there is a principle involved. Again, I love ya Moam so don't kill me on this but you gotta see that it does matter. And don't give me the "free speech" argument. Check out the responsibilities that freedom holds and get back to me. And mojo...why does the site owner allow this to go on. Well, look around! What other activity is happening at DM these days? A few struggling artists trying to keep on collabing and making music and a passle of late night bored folks who want to shock the hell out of everybody being clever. I'm guilty of it too but after a while it gets old. The jokes are old. The chickens are old. The buttsecks is old. The masturbating on the Bible is old! At the very least, get some new material. Or better yet, spend just one hour of the three each night listening to some music here. Just an idea.... So, okay, I have my armour on... Let me have it!
ShadowMom	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 1:21 PM Okay, here it is I couldn't have said it better. A casual visitor doesn't know moam, mojo, or grape123 from a hole in the wall. But I have the feeling a few good folks have decided not to come back here because the topics so often are, to be polite, "off-color" at the very best. And the guest who keeps insinuating about Woof? Knock it off. Mike is a very nice guy. And I know why he left. This isn't about Mike, and it isn't about me and my truck, Chris. Show me the part of the TOS that's been violated. Btw, I think we found moam's breaking point. I know his heart is in the right place. You all are a creative bunch. I just think you can do better than trying to see how far you can go before you tip the scales and we have to delete something. "Guest" could be a very positive thing-- people visiting could ask questions, and it can be an easy way to help another user without logging in. I don't always have time-- and when I post as guest, it's not because I'm going to say something that will upset someone else. It's because that's all the time I have. Most of our regulars I can spot a mile away, but one must assume you would treat the poster differently if you knew who it was? So, okay, I have my armour on, too...and you can't miss the Most of you have aimed at it one time or another anyway. And I'm still standing.
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 1:27 PM On 17th Apr 2012, guest said: And why the digs at Shadowmom, Chillinbuzz? She's the best admin (yes SIC) this site has, and if she were to fall under a truck and you were to find that funny then the shame is all yours. You are the bitchiest man (sic) I have ever had the displeasure to encounter. Nah, seriously if you thought I'd derive some kind of pleasure from seeing a poor soul get minced by a truck, then you've missed the point entirely... I may not like her (and as for being the best admin DM has had, pffft - I'd still put rhthesinner a mile above anyone who had that bolt anytime) but I can think of worse people, like real life rapists, burglars, murderers, not some sad hypocritical whinger. Anyway, you get the message, "guest". As for the reviver, Mojo, eh well shit happens. Plenty of threads get revived, both good and bad. I don't see why some people seem to just log back in for the (near enough) sole purpose of having a whine about said thread being woken up. You can always get it deleted (and blissfully ignore the "Forum Police" cries as you'll have already logged out, never to return for another few months)... Get over it already. Yep, Mary is right. They are old jokes. So are half the occupants of DMusic (the ones still classed as active, based on whether or not they twitch whilst slumped in their pensioner chairs lol) but now and again something different does come along, it's just rare on this site - However, I'm not going to blame these threads for the downturn in DMusic's fortunes because that would be totally inaccurate (just saying)... This place was suffering before the redesign, if you read some of the old (and sometimes revived) threads you'd see problems existed before I was a twinkle in DM's eye. Hey, even I spend less time here than I ever did - I'm sure some would see that as a good thing, how's it doing for the site? No change? Didn't think so. Oh, I'll be collaborating again with DMers this year - looking for volunteers (shameless plug, hey just following the crowd lol). New material... Give it time...
LiQuidMetamo...	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 1:31 PM I totally support most of this and certainly support the request to get more musical again on here. I don't mind O/T stuff, and have learned to ignore the stuff that offends me, but the simple fact is, I came for music and the music has been dying an increasingly rapid death here. This is also why many other good people, talented musicians, including award winners from the last time out, are now to be found elsewhere and rarely, if ever come back here to feast on the bile of what we have become.
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 1:32 PM It's part of the reason, Martin, it's not THE only reason.
ShadowMom	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 1:39 PM On THAT, we agree. Does that mean the world is ending? And I also agree, Rh/Dexter is #1.
Mojosnake	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 2:11 PM I happen to agree with the portion mary wrote in reference to me and she did a good job articulating what I was thinking ... and yes as of late i have taken apon myself to stream more music than i have in the past 4 ave months...hell I even started a playlist of my 2009 faves... as for keeping it in my "sandbox" I think I have been doing a rather good job of that as of late .... whether anyone left because of me in the past is arguable but I wont have anyone point that finger cause of my actions anymore .. but like buzz I wont keep my opinions to myself .... I dont need armor
Mojosnake	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 2:20 PM the wierd part was is that I saw the forum at the top of the list ...I clicked read through it loved buzz's pimp my server statement posted a vola.... thread revised sorry ...
GTOriginal	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 2:32 PM If anyone leaves the site over something that was said, and is not willing to take it up with the person who said it, they are only making excuses and trying to hurt that person in the bargain. You guys keep on pointing fingers and I will instead say why I'm here - it's because of the support I once got for my tunes, and will get again soon as my slump is over. It's also cause there's lots of great free music here. Now what's UP with the keyboard delay in this thread? Hmmm?
GTOriginal	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 2:32 PM If anyone leaves the site over something that was said, and is not willing to take it up with the person who said it, they are only making excuses and trying to hurt that person in the bargain. You guys keep on pointing fingers and I will instead say why I'm here - it's because of the support I once got for my tunes, and will get again soon as my slump is over. It's also cause there's lots of great free music here. Now what's UP with the keyboard delay in this thread? Hmmm?
GTOriginal	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 2:33 PM Oops hit ENTER twice!
moam	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 4:19 PM On 17th Apr 2012, Israfel said: And saying that you're not like this in real life...what is that? Isn't that the same argmument people use when they say "I would never use the N word in public but a N word joke among my friends is different". No, it's not. It's the same. Okay, I have to say that I totally disagree with this statement. That's like saying that you should ALWAYS act the same no matter what crowd you're around. That's like saying that if its okay for me to say offensive stuff on dmusic...no wait--TYPE offensive stuff on dmusic, I should act the same way in person around everyone because I shouldn't hold a different identity. So I should talk around my family the same way I talk to my friends? How about my professors? How about people in general of which I have a professional relationship with? No. That's why my retarded humor comes into dmusic, because I could honestly (no offense to anyone) give a shit what anyone thinks regarding what I say! I don't mean that in a cold, hurtful way. I mean, I just really do not care at all to meet anyone on this site ever because its an interactive website and I don't carry any professional relationships here. Plain and simple. I have a close family. I have met some really good professors. I have a boss, a manager, co workers... I have amazing friends who I would die for, as well as a son who means the world to me. Not once around my son have I even said a swear word! See? Just because you carry one identity on dmusic doesn't mean you should act that way at all in real life. Also, if you are around friends who are not offended by the "N" word or whatever and you say it around them but NOT around other people, what is wrong with that? And don't flame me by saying "I find nothing wrong with the N word" cause thats not my point. My point is...there are people here on DM who like the chicken jokes and the bibles and showers...so if I say it around THEM on DMUSIC but not in real life like a fuckin' fool, there is nothing wrong with that. All I'm saying is there's nothing wrong with me being sick and demented on dmusic when in real life I'm probably about the most innocent, nicest guy you'll ever meet. Seriously. I carry on my "chicken jokes" because its become a part of my moam image. Haha look at my god damn icon for shit sake. Whatever though. I'm not mad or anything I'm just trying to get my point across here. On 17th Apr 2012, ShadowMom said: I don't always have time-- and when I post as guest, it's not because I'm going to say something that will upset someone else. It's because that's all the time I have. And wow, really? You don't have time to log in?? It takes me 2 seconds to log in! I'm sorry, but if you have time to comment as guest, you have time to log in "Not having time" is not an excuse for needing guest. And if you're worried about signing in and having tons of people say "hi" and what not...and you feel like you NEED to say hi back...then don't! I used to think that way--where if someone says hi I automatically need to reply right away. Psh, dm isn't instant message or anything, just say hi back when you have the time. And if they take offense to that, then wow! Tough for them. I know DM isn't you're main priority in life, especially if you say you don't have time to log in...and of course it shouldn't be We all have lives and we shouldn't be expected to spend countless hours everyday talking to fellow dm-ers.. But... You can log in. Seriously. So there's my I don't think you really needed armor on cause I'm not gonna stone you guys You know I think you're both awesome But I had to speak my opinion
Mojosnake	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 4:22 PM Jon's a daddy now how COOL is that .....
moam	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 4:29 PM Yep, some of you didn't know...but he's 2 now (since February) and he's the happiest thing in my life He'll be talking soooooon!!! Can't fucking wait And see? You think I would talk like that around my kid? Or my family? NAYYY!!! How I am on dmusic here is COMPLETELY different from how I am in the real world
Mojosnake	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 4:33 PM I am with jon on this folk's I have 2 children of my own and i'm a very different around them ... now when they are older and wiser who's to say what there tastes in humor will be ... so dont try to guilt us (jon and I) with "well , how ya gonna feel when they are older and they read this " cause that argument is bullshit....
moam	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 4:40 PM Ummm wow if anyone tried to judge me regarding how I raise my kid, without even knowing me, I would either a) never speak to the person again or b) just stop coming here... Because if there's one thing I cannot STAND over anything else it's blind judgments. Don't judge something you clearly don't understand. See that's the thing. Nobody in my life that I'm close to reads this--at all!! And they never will! Not even my best friends. This is just the world of dmusic where I am "moam". But in the real world, I'm completely smart about why I say/do. I know how to live a good life. Sometimes I just need to come here and let my "inner moam" out though But yeah, mojo. I don't think anyone is low enough to judge my "parenting" based on how I act in dm cause if people are, this place isn't worth my time...simple as that. Anyways, enough of that
Mojosnake	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 4:50 PM I know what you mean moam and i'm just I could just see the geust saying some stupid crap like that
Guest	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 5:09 PM Okay, I promise never to use "guest" again. I just won't answer at all. Sorry, but I wasn't raised that way. Whether you're in front of me, on the phone, or online-- it goes against the grain. So be happy. But you guys have to stay-- I sincerely want to watch you deal with fatherhood in a few years. And now, I'm done with this stuff. Need an answer? That's what the HelpDesk is for. And no, I do NOT have time to log in right now. Because I'm on my way out of here for a while. Again. THIS IS SHADOWMOM, BTW!! Ps... I'm very this thread hasn't degenerated to a mud-slinging session. We've had too many of those already.
GTOriginal	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 5:54 PM I have three boys. They are 15, 13, and 5. All three of them are well adjusted compared to me. I have been forced into some real tough decisions in raising these boys. For the record I am their primary caregiver. It's my full time job. Sharon makes good money but doesn't have a domestic bone in her body. I on the other hand can cook and clean better than most anybody thanks to my Cinderella-like upbringing, but really don't take orders from asshole bosses too well, so it works out for us. I don't really behave much differently here on DM, but I did wipe all the blatant "pot" songs from my collection, so that's something, anyway... Both my mother (an abusive psychotic woman) and my in-laws (rich smug assholes to the one) have criticized the way we raise these kids. They are the absolute last people on this planet who should be giving out advice on how to raise children, so needless to say they are the first to try it. I suppose the in-laws would be happy if we replaced love with bought things, and my mom would be pleased if I started knocking the boys around a bit, keep up the ole family tradition. Not gonna happen on my watch.
Distilled1	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 5:55 PM I still don't see how its faster to type and then figure out the stupid Catchcupeding thing security word ,type it to post rather than have your login saved in FF/IE so you just click log in??? maybe theres Credit card and bank info on this site I don't know about really I don't get it. Heck I don't even log out unless DMusic logs me out or FF cleans the cookies (if I shut down a lot that happens) and I act the same everywhere to everyone (this may change based on imbibing but the same none the less)trying to lead 4-5 and 6 separate lives is a bit hard, the older you get the more you will see that. My wife will tell anyone no matter their size race that she dose not want to hear the N word. If you say it because the people your around are ok with it .. then you should have no fear saying it to anyone just like my god Carlos Mencia says! "Nobody in my life that I'm close to reads this--at all!! And they never will! Not even my best friends. This is just the world of dmusic" Don't count on it! everything you post here eventualy shows up somewhere hell My mom has been here my Dad Aunts Uncles... dmusic is not Second life, I mean you put your Real music up your real photos links to you tubes... just saying Come to think of it maybe that is the decline people are not getting family and friends and co workers and classmates to come here to hear a tune they did or join in a conversation about anything or read a news article. if those family, Friends and etc. don't come they cant tell 10 of their family and friends about your or someones great free music! Could be a part of it hu? maybe thats what we need again artist getting people here and then they bring people and they do and so on and so on.. grass roots... Some of the MIA or people that just left were sets of Family and non internet Friends ... they did just that grass roots when they came and grass roots when they left. I doub;t any one will even read this or care what I have to say.. I don't think I slung any mud .. all the above was not directed at anyone I just happened to use a lot from your comments MOAM cause they stood out or got me thinking.. And no one can tell anyone how to raise your kids as long as its within the law, whether they like it or not we all have our own ideas on child rearing. How long can I make this .. lets count the ways... 1....2......3 LOL Watch out I want to toss some mud :dirt:
Guest	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 6:06 PM lol - " figure out the stupid Catchcupeding thing security word " Not sure what you see but there isnt much to figure out looking at 5 digits.
Distilled1	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 6:11 PM still takes longer than clicking login when your name and password are already in the text boxes
GTOriginal	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 6:22 PM Hey I suggest shit all the time, nobody cares. I say I wanna jam live now that I can, nobody says a thing. I offer to collab with people and they come back crying that nobody wants to collab with them. Still don't have a simple freaking icon that I offered to make myself. Whatever, gonna take the tunes to where the interest is, talk about my kids on here instead. Or my animals, like my big fat dog or my snake who is digesting a rat right now. :m ouse:
GTOriginal	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 6:24 PM Hey I suggest shit all the time, nobody cares. I say I wanna jam live now that I can, nobody says a thing. I offer to collab with people and they come back crying that nobody wants to collab with them. Still don't have a simple freaking icon that I offered to make myself. Whatever, gonna take the tunes to where the interest is, talk about my kids on here instead. Or my animals, like my big fat dog or my snake who is digesting a rat right now. :m ouse:
GTOriginal	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 6:25 PM There's like a 20 second keyboard lag in this thread, which is why the double posts.
Distilled1	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 6:26 PM I hear ya Gary... I want to jam live I'll even shoutcast it I have to go get my mixer or finally buy the new one maybe next weekend? what software you want to try and use ? there are a few. Sunday I will post a bunch of info in my Blog thing and lets see if we can get a Meta Jam going a few or more of us jamming out to a cover or improving some new form of music gener
GTOriginal	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 6:37 PM I'm seriously thinking of stocking up on frozen rats. The advantage of course is that Sammy can't get injured by his dinner and I'll have more control over his feeding schedule. The obvious disadvantage is who the hell wants rats in their freezer? I could always stuff 'em into the wall and pretend I still live in NJ, but I would have to triple my mortgage for the full effect.
Distilled1	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 6:39 PM
GTOriginal	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 8:58 PM
LiQuidMetamo...	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 10:15 PM People come for different reasons, some come for music, some for chat, some to listen, some to upload their illegal mp3 collections under obviously false names, some for a combination of reasons. So Chris, you're right that Dmusic is not just all about the music. I just think that for me, personally, it pretty much is all I'm interested in. I'll shoutbox occasionally or even join in o/t threads from time to time, but my main raison d'etre is the music. I miss people like hueseph, woof, bruce mccosar, intelligent musicians. I also miss people like Tim Sanders, AORPete and family, Ethereclectic/4 Calendar Cafe, Traf and Shutyatrap and other great musicians, some of whom do occasionally pop in, but most of whom have channeled their musical energies elsewhere. Rodrica too, even though we had a couple of major fights here, she's one heck of a talent I enjoy musically. It's up to me to get listening to some of the new blood here (guilty of not doing that as charged). Or do the same as the others and focue elsewhere.
victorsskull	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 10:51 PM wow so much to read
ShadowMom	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 10:56 PM Occasionally I hear from some of those people... Traf is on his boat, bless his heart. I hope he loves every minute of it! Ruth and Mike will be back; and once in a blue moon I hear from Woof. The others all have their reasons, as you say. Things change, we need to bring new people here all the time. I don't ask for family hour here; that would be a waste of time. But I'd also love to see the focus back on music, even in the forums. A little silliness goes a long way.
victorsskull	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 11:00 PM music oh ya that stuff I use to make
vilifiend	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 11:09 PM GTO just got points for the relevant carlin video. thats skills in awesome. and On 17th Apr 2012, GTOriginal said: Hey I suggest shit all the time, nobody cares. I say I wanna jam live now that I can, nobody says a thing. I offer to collab with people and they come back crying that nobody wants to collab with them. Still don't have a simple freaking icon that I offered to make myself. Whatever, gonna take the tunes to where the interest is, talk about my kids on here instead. Or my animals, like my big fat dog or my snake who is digesting a rat right now. :m ouse: yes... its not the (few) jackoffs destroying the site. theres a few of us and a whole lot of regular users. the site is kind of dead. its been dead. people only have loyalty here because since its so small everyone has a say and feels like they take partial ownership of the site. for a LONG time... if you get 7 plays on a song, chances are you're number 1. im sorry, but four or five jackoffs on the site did NOT have that kind of effect. if we really did, then well... the good news is we knocked out a bunch of self important assholes (aka most musicians) who got their panties in a bunch when they lost their voice to the nonsense. but that didnt happen anyway. im sooo tired of this debate. at this point i am completely apathetic to the site, as per my icon. sorry. i start reading these arguments and i just want to fall asleep and my eyes get stuck i roll my eyes so hard. just... who cares. face it, there are better places to promote your music than dmusic. sorry. the backup was the community... and the backup became the main dish when reality kicked in that dmusic sucks for promotion. and thats what musicians care about. i cant count non-musician users on the site to fill up the fingers on my two hands. we all have an agenda, and thats get heard. the listeners are a minority. of course the community factor kicked in and of course theres gunna be jackoffs, like any community. people should stop complaining about off color jokes and start complaining why they are hanging out on a dead website and getting little to no listens. thats their real complaint. id imagine moam and i would be banned already if we werent a large chunk of traffic for the site. anyway. i havent read peoples responses... caus i dont care anymore, im sorry. so if my post is way off from the convo... sorry again. i came here because i had nothing better to do, like the rest of you.
Mojosnake	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 11:09 PM on some levels this thread represents (me included) a group of disgruntled postal workers going postal on each other at the expense of the music ... yeah I know I dont have much of a right to do this ... but I dont think I said rape here in this thread even one time ... nor did I cast any stone when I revived this thread. but I am very angry because of the geust On 16th Apr 2012, guest said: Roxorz!!!! yeah! Nintendo. YEAH! fuck reading, it rots your mind. HELL YEA. run EVERYONE AWAY WITH A MIND. Guest out! Because to me this is what started everything...and thats sad that infighting can be started through the thoughts of a "geust" wich we may or may not know. look I really dont care anymore ..even all the people I may or may not have issue with is a person who's music I have I listened to. So I'm am going to just go listen to some music here and forget about talking for a while worked last time ....
vilifiend	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 11:10 PM and by the way, i just posted a new song. i post music like once or twice a week. im always sticking to the music. so i dunno what other people are doing, but im not slacking.
victorsskull	Date: April 17, 2009 @ 11:11 PM On 17th Apr 2012, GTOriginal said: Hey I suggest shit all the time, nobody cares. I say I wanna jam live now that I can, nobody says a thing. I offer to collab with people and they come back crying that nobody wants to collab with them. Still don't have a simple freaking icon that I offered to make myself. Whatever, gonna take the tunes to where the interest is, talk about my kids on here instead. Or my animals, like my big fat dog or my snake who is digesting a rat right now. :m ouse: gary you will get your icon sorry it is taking so long and you are not the only one waiting
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 18, 2009 @ 12:17 AM I'm not sure that's quite how I put it, Martin, although it does raise a point regarding how DMusic started - The community side was around here long before the ability to upload music and cater for musicians... But both need to be catered for now since both are the cornerstones of what is (to me anyway) still a great site, despite all its faults. It's just I refuse to blame any one area for the site's downfall and I can do that since I've seen, heard and been a part of many aspects of this site since I joined (including the redesign) and trust me, if you'd seen how some of the staff (as opposed to admins although both can be applied here) have behaved over the years then you'd realise some of the more outspoken members of this community weren't really so bad after all. For the record, I still have many of the emails, some of the conversations and a great deal of the "backroom bullshit" in my massive hard drive archives (I rarely throw anything away lol) but I won't be posting it - Used to do that a long time ago when it meant something, as in the case of a certain ex-head admin who wanted to play Dictator with us all... It wouldn't matter now since times have changed. (On that note, Larry, I think the idea of mass storage is a good one - Although I wouldn't take after photobucket or rapidshare too much - A couple of years ago I'd thought it a horrendous suggestion but since have become attuned to the fact DM is a business that needs to survive, not just a musical and social outlet.) When (and not if) this site starts to draw more and more traffic, incidents and threads like this will quickly sink back into the mud that the forums seem to represent in many peoples' minds. Right now we're thin, we're exposed badly, a lot of people are pissed but we aren't the primary cause of the downturn in this site's fortunes - I refer back to the "backroom" comment but not wishing to overly upset the big boss I'd just like to say that, no matter what happens, it's been a privilege to be able to interact on DMusic... Even if chickens and bibles sometimes polluted the conversations.
zedsalt	Date: April 18, 2009 @ 9:47 AM On 17th Apr 2012, guest said: So he was christened MOAM? Technically...and you folks know what a stickler I am where it regards semantics...it's "MoaM", as in "Mimic of a Mind", the name the priest spoke before the holy water started sizzling and sputtering around baby MoaM's forehead, and the priest's hair instantly turned white. Whew! There's a lot of new verbage in this thread since I logged off yesterday a.m.! That's the only reason I've ever used the Guest post feature; I use the "last seen" time on my user page and the list of threads at the bottom of the forum mainpage to figure out what I have and haven't read. A couple of times, I've been here killing time while doing other things on the 'net, wanted to comment on something, and it really came in handy to not have to choose between not posting and checking out every thread I might have otherwise missed. I suppose not being so obbsessive about reading every little post is also an option, but...well, c'mon, let's be serious- it's not a serious option. And even within my teensy tiny little sphere of acquaintances, I know of a few non-members who have used the Guest feature to post. They check out the forums here a few times a week for entertainment, and they really appreciate the opportunity to participate. I suspect the folks who say that the majority of Guest posts are from members are correct. I know for a fact that anyone who says that only members use it is wrong.

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