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moam	Date: May 10, 2005 @ 6:44 PM If you could change one thing about the world, what would it be? Or list a couple things if you really want to. Hmmm... Maybe you would want to change something with your LIFE? Let's hear it It's been a while since we've had an interesting thread (no offense) I would have George W. NOT in office How about the rest of you DM'ers?
onewhodreams	Date: May 10, 2005 @ 9:55 PM If I could change one thing about the world... I would like to see a system where there are no rich, no poor, no middle class... a system where the riches of our world are spread out evenly, to everyone. A world where everyone has the means to eat and feed their families, good medical care, a safe home, and enough to enjoy life. Just a dream...
Dizeazed	Date: May 10, 2005 @ 10:10 PM thinks.... hurts head @ Moam for making me stress my little delicate braincells........
LilVIetBalla	Date: May 10, 2005 @ 10:21 PM if i could change one thing about the world, then i would change this forum and revise it to 'if you could change many things..' hahaa, yea. so i would change the poverty, no rich class and peasants all of that. everyone is finantially equal. like onewhodreams idea. then rid of all the crime and yada yada. lower gas prices !!!!! kick bush in the head and get him out of office. stop terrorism and all that other crap that will get innocent peeps killed. stop racism. yeap! its a lot, but its the truth. thats wat wwe needa change.
Dizeazed	Date: May 11, 2005 @ 1:47 AM GHEAH, LVB (lilvietballa)!!! Lower gas prices!!!.... or... FREE GAS!!!
freddemillio	Date: May 11, 2005 @ 1:50 AM Instead of free gas, I would like to see the elimination of personal cars. Then you would not have to worry about the price of gas.
DeadraveN	Date: May 11, 2005 @ 2:18 AM Ninja Turtles would be real. Ashley Simpson would not sing. I could fly. Ozzy would not age. Dimebag would be alive. Pizza would be free, and we'd finally do away with that damn electoral college. (hey, you said I could put a list...)
Dizeazed	Date: May 11, 2005 @ 2:31 AM Well Mr. freddemillio... I don't plan on walking to work and school everyday.
Dizeazed	Date: May 11, 2005 @ 2:31 AM P.S. to DeadraveN: Ashley Simpson DOESN'T sing... remember?
wailingmiserere	Date: May 11, 2005 @ 8:22 AM Hmm... as others have already said, eliminate the gap between rich and poor so that there is enough for everyone. But also, and just as importantly, a means of efficiently and safely producing energy, and making motorised transport cleaner, to safeguard the environment. That to me is one of the hugest issues we are facing, and it is not getting the attention it needs.
zedsalt	Date: May 11, 2005 @ 11:59 AM I'd agree that doing away with the wealth-based class system would be Utopia; it's in the administration of Communism where we start to get in trouble. I mean, it's textbook Communism, right? The wealthy help the poor, the healthy help the sick, the strong help the weak, the very young and very old are helped by everyone in-between, etc. I was trying to irk a NeoCon, Fundamentalist Christian (two positions that have always conflicted, in my eyes) friend by pointing out that one of history's biggest commies was Christ. Another friend jumped in to diffuse the situation by saying, "See, that's the trouble: administration. It's been about two thousand years since we've had anyone capable of running a good Communist society." It's a sweet idea/ideal, though, and one of those goals where we can do a great deal of good by just reaching for it, attainable or not.
-dp-	Date: May 11, 2005 @ 2:09 PM The meaning of life
mdearing	Date: May 11, 2005 @ 3:08 PM Actually Christ was the exact opposite of a Communist. If he were a Communist, he would not have died on the cross of us. He would have given in to Satan's tempation of ruling all the kingdoms of man. He would have forced us to follow him and taken away our free will. As it stands now, you can chose to follow God or chose to deny him. That doesn't sound like the definition of a Communist to me.
freedomplant	Date: May 11, 2005 @ 3:18 PM T //\|\\ LVE NT HATE
Svensta	Date: May 11, 2005 @ 4:32 PM I wish people were personally responsible for themselves and their role in society. Essentially, one wish to sum up all the wishes above nearly. Well, not the free pizza one.
LilVIetBalla	Date: May 11, 2005 @ 8:42 PM so u hatin on communists now mdearing/??? fredimillo, actually how bout just make cars that dont use gas er w/e??it can run on......LOVE!!!!!!!!!!!! ahahaha awww hell nah....... anyways, i wouldnt want to share automobiles like usin the bus, cuz i dont want to be there when someone pulls off a big ass fart aight? ahah yea
mdearing	Date: May 12, 2005 @ 10:23 AM No....no "hatin" going on over hear. Peace and love is my motto.
mdearing	Date: May 12, 2005 @ 10:28 AM I mean here not "hear". duh.
zedsalt	Date: May 12, 2005 @ 1:19 PM Being a Communist means doing for others, working for the good of the community (hence the name) rather than oneself, sacrificing one's own comforts so that others may thrive rather than just survive...does anybody have Jesus beat in that department? I mean, he could've left town. He was strongly urged to leave by the people who were about to crucify him, because his torture wasn't politically popular. Still, he endured unimaginable pain in order to offer people absolution. Communism is the political face of the characteristic of selflessness. The Christ didn't put his wants and needs in front of those of his fellow man, and that makes him a better Communist than anyone who has.
BOWILLIE	Date: May 12, 2005 @ 4:32 PM deep subject..hmmm.. the idea of the communist utopia was a grand idea..but proved to fail miserably..probally due to capitalist influx and the free worlds idea of what is right and wrong..other satelite communist regimes are due for collapse.. sparing china of coarse..they being isolationists is the only thing sparing that country from the same fate..canada took a positive step forward with improved health care plan for the population..
mdearing	Date: May 12, 2005 @ 4:42 PM I agree with what you are saying except one thing. "Choice". With communism you don't have a choice. When you take away the choice it isn't selflessness, it's a requirement. Jesus dying for us rather than leaving or forcing us to follow him, gave us the "choice" aka "freedom" to be selfless. With "freedom" aka "free will" (which Jesus ensured we maintained), you have to have the option to give of yourself or remain selfish. With Communism, there is no option, men are not able to make their own decisions. Churches in history have tried to force Jesus' rule, and they have missed the point as well.
mdearing	Date: May 12, 2005 @ 4:58 PM I agree with what you are saying except one thing. "Choice". With communism you don't have a choice. When you take away the choice it isn't selflessness, it's a requirement. Jesus dying for us rather than leaving or forcing us to follow him, gave us the "choice" aka "freedom" to be selfless. With "freedom" aka "free will" (which Jesus ensured we maintained), you have to have the option to give of yourself or remain selfish. With Communism, there is no option, men are not able to make their own decisions. Churches in history have tried to force Jesus' rule, and they have missed the point as well.
BOWILLIE	Date: May 12, 2005 @ 6:02 PM agreed!
Izekial	Date: May 13, 2005 @ 12:26 AM "I agree with what you are saying except one thing. "Choice". With communism you don't have a choice. When you take away the choice it isn't selflessness, it's a requirement. Jesus dying for us rather than leaving or forcing us to follow him, gave us the "choice" aka "freedom" to be selfless. With "freedom" aka "free will" (which Jesus ensured we maintained), you have to have the option to give of yourself or remain selfish. With Communism, there is no option, men are not able to make their own decisions. Churches in history have tried to force Jesus' rule, and they have missed the point as well." You're talking about Russia's communist practices. Communism in "theory" works, but you have something called selfishness or greed that humans are susceptible to. Fear, too. Sure, the economic system would be turned on its head and our way of living would change, but it wouldn't turn into a dead, colorless world. We'd still have lives, choices, art and music, just none of the frivolous capitalism. We'd have to work harder, but how did Jesus feel about hard work? Equality? I think he was talking about communism with none of the stringent side-affects... but then again, how the fuck would I know about what Jesus really wanted? How the fuck would you know, for that matter. You don't have to get defensive or preachy over a thread where people are just goofing around. Now, as for my wish... I'd like people to stop fighting over personal preferences. It's God damn ridiculous. Disagree, but don't fight. There are times to pick up the sword, but it'd be great if people realized that they didn't have to do that in every single fucking instances in the course of our existence. Fuck. No, I want to change my wish. Let the world go to hell in a hand basket... I just want editing options in the forums. I've been asking for this for years and no one has done anything about it. I'm starting to feel like I'm not loved.
zedsalt	Date: May 13, 2005 @ 1:41 PM "Communism in 'theory' works, but you have something called selfishness or greed that humans are susceptible to." Exactly. That's exactly what my buddy was saying. Using a Communist regime for personal gain is as antithetical to Communism as...well, as calling oneself a "Muslim" ("submissive one") while committing self-aggrandizing mass murder is to a religion whose name means "peace".
mdearing	Date: May 13, 2005 @ 3:23 PM Izekial, I was only responding to zedsalt's comparison of Communism to Jesus. And I explained why it was wrong. How would I know about what Jesus really wanted? It's in the Bible. The book of Mathew for one covers it pretty extensively. I'm sorry if I offended you, that wasn't my intention. "If I could change one thing.." It would be that we could all have civil communication.
LilVIetBalla	Date: May 14, 2005 @ 1:28 AM since when did we get so wordy? i aint readin all that. ahha
zedsalt	Date: May 14, 2005 @ 5:32 PM If my tone has been anything but civil, I apologize. Getting people angry is often the by-product of trying to get them to think. At the risk of offending an obviously good-hearted and eloquent person, I'd like to point out that forcing Communism on anyone is as anti-Communist as forcing Christianity on anyone is anti-Christian. In all instances where Communism has proven successful, there's a common thread: no one made a contribution that they didn't want to make. Choice, free will, etc....not only are these aspects of Communism, they are essential elements. Without them, you can't call it Communism. I'm not recommending Communism as a form of government...a mutable blend of systems seems to work best on a large scale...I was just pointing out that the word for "...a system where there are no rich, no poor, no middle class... a system where the riches of our world are spread out evenly, to everyone. A world where everyone has the means to eat and feed their families, good medical care, a safe home, and enough to enjoy life", "no rich class and peasants all of that. everyone is finantially equal", "eliminate the gap between rich and poor so that there is enough for everyone", etc...the one word description of that is Communism.
Veracohr	Date: May 15, 2005 @ 4:56 AM If I could only change one thing, I'd choose knowing what the hell is going on with life.
mdearing	Date: May 15, 2005 @ 7:11 PM I'll just end my part in this by saying a couple of different things. Zedsalt, I wasn't really addressing the civil communication thing to you. You've been nothing but civil. My point was that Jesus was not a Communist. Communism can only exist when the state controls the economy, therefore there is no freedom. You can't say to someone, "you are free to gather whatever you can and do with it what ever you want" -and- at the same time say that you can only gather a certain amount and anything else will be divided up among everyone else. The idea of establishing a society that is free and doesn't have classes would mean that every person in that society would have to want and need the same thing. The principles in the Bible are, -you get what you give-. The more you give, the more you get. With Communism, you get what you get.

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