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Christ or cannabis?

2step-4eva	Date: June 15, 2005 @ 7:05 AM this is the thoughts for the day forum, so here's something to think about. christianity and cannabis both stand in a similar position in the western world. both are an integral part of our culture, but are only taken, or followed, by a minority. what would happen if their fortunes were reversed? which scenario would be better: scenario 1- religion grows, from a minority following to a vast majority who follow the customs and traditions of christianity (or whatever religion u like). people are still free and there exists a minority who are not religious, but they are privately frowned upon by others and most parents seek to bring their children up with a religious world view. scenario 2- use of recreational drugs, like weed, grows to become a majority social activity. there are still those who reject it, but privately others see them as a bit weird. most parents think its ok to expose their children to certain drugs and seek to teach them to use drugs responsibly but not to completely shun them. assuming all other factors remain the same, which scenario, in your opinion, would lead to a better society and better life for everyone? has society got its priorities right?
jordanthegreat	Date: June 15, 2005 @ 7:42 AM i believe scenario 2 exists already, it's pretty how much how i live. I think the use of recreational drugs (all of them too) should be free and not controlled in any way. imo recreational drug use will lead society to greater levels. I don't know if it would make life better for everyone, as someone always loses out, but oh well, i know i'd be happy with it.
MindSculpture	Date: June 15, 2005 @ 7:48 AM How about Christ and cannabis? That would be Holy shit
shadowself	Date: June 15, 2005 @ 10:56 AM Atheists like myself are frowned on by x-ians already, and even thought of as lesser people. And definitely not privately. Even by your president (assuming you are in the U.S. - I can't get to bios right now). I don't know why you think religion is a minority, though. I would go for scenario 2. Weed does not teach hatred and intolerance of others who are different from you, or smoke a slightly different kind of weed. Nor does it lead to beatings and killings of homosexuals, or rejecting them if they are part of your family. Nor does it keep entire countries at war for years. No one has killed their children because weed told them to. There are not an disproportionate amount of weed dealers who molest children. People who smoke a lot of weed do not have a stoneder-than-thou air of superiority. Weed dealers have to pay tax on their dwellings and furnishings, like everyone else. Weed users do not reject science or anything that has been discovered in the last 2000 years. Weed smokers believe there were dinosaurs, and accept the proof - we don't explain it away as "oh, it's a hallucination put there to test how good the weed is".
MindSculpture	Date: June 15, 2005 @ 12:09 PM You a Bill Hicks fan by any chance Mate?
onewhodreams	Date: June 15, 2005 @ 12:57 PM I don't know which scenario would lead to a better world. But no, I don't think we, as a society, have our priorities right.
zedsalt	Date: June 15, 2005 @ 12:59 PM I've always found each enhance my appreciation of the other. Shadowself, as painfully aware of the perversions of Christianity you mentioned, I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that they ARE gross perversions of Jesus' teachings. I would NEVER think less of someone just because they didn't believe as I do, nor would I do any of the things you mentioned in your last paragraph (with the possible exception of accepting tax-exempt status, were it offered to me). One reason that I wouldn't is that they are all contrary to biblical teaching. The most essential ideals of the bible all hinge on the idea that guilt is the only prerequisite to sin. The book cautions us to "Look to the message, not the messenger" and reminds us that "As is each individual need, so is My [God's] image". To think that you stand any less chance of getting the Keys to the Kingdom just because you're an Atheist...well, that just wouldn't be Christian.
onewhodreams	Date: June 15, 2005 @ 1:45 PM But ultimately God is the messenger. It was him and his word which inspired the book to be written. :nod:" id="138380">The book cautions us to "Look to the message, not the messenger" But ultimately God is the messenger. It was him and his word which inspired the book to be written.
Cryxan	Date: June 15, 2005 @ 4:18 PM Widespread religion breeds intolerance and closed-mindedness. And wars, since people love to fight over their beliefs. There might be peace if all subscribed to the same religion, but that would never happen. If it did, welcome to the Dark Ages 2.0. While many individuals practice their religions privately, when it comes to group behavior, things change for most of them. If drugs were widely accepted, they might be legalized, which would mean less government control, and billions would be saved on the useless "war on drugs;" both very good things. While I don't think it's a good thing for the majority of the world to burn brain cells as a favorite pastime (especially in a child's developmental ages), given these two options, I vote #2. I think people's political leanings get revealed in this thread... lol
BOWILLIE	Date: June 15, 2005 @ 6:19 PM same here cryxan.. but the government will never allow..although legalization would bring a taxable commodity as does cigarettes and alcohol.. billions that are siezed and properties confiscated for government auctions would be lost for purchasment of police cars helicopters..salaries for all branches of law enforcement..the list goes on and on..don't see it happening in my lifetime.. even the reduction of penalty for small amounts (less than a ounce)..is deemed misdemeanor.. and still racks in the cash for government coffers..
BOWILLIE	Date: June 15, 2005 @ 6:21 PM besides..smoking a tater before church might make things more understandable..
Distilled1	Date: June 15, 2005 @ 7:37 PM then watch some church now thats a trip
kyodylee	Date: June 15, 2005 @ 11:44 PM Imagine John Lennon Crippled Inside John Lennon Jealous Guy John Lennon It's So Hard John Lennon Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today... Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace... You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will be as one Imagine no possessions I wonder if you can No need for greed or hunger A brotherhood of man Imagine all the people Sharing all the world... You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will live as one
Cryxan	Date: June 16, 2005 @ 3:41 AM "Too many people have lied in the name of Christ For anyone to heed the call So many people have died in the name of Christ That I can't believe it all" ~Crosby, Stills & Nash (Cathedral)
EvilPicnic	Date: June 16, 2005 @ 7:19 AM zed is right, the evils that are obvious in some branches of Christianity and most organised religions in general are gross perversions of Jesus' teachings. I am a Christian myself (Bias! Bias!), but i don't believe in organised religion. Many non-Christians say they don't like the 'smite thee' attitude of their perception of Christianity, the mob mentality religious fervour can bring, the persecution by Christians of non-Chistians, the homophobic remarks, the racist slurs, the boredom, arrogance etc... But Jesus' teachings aren't anything to do with the above. he summerised the 10 Commandments into one commandment: 'Love your neighbour'. That is the crux of true Christian teaching, and everything else revolves around that. If you truly loved your neighbour, would you steal his money, sleep with his wife? Christianity is about a culture of mutual love, not just towards other Christians, in fact, even more so towards non-Christians. Christianity is not a bad thing. It's a good thing, for the same reason (and my biased viewpoint becomes obvious) that Socialism is an inherently good thing, everyone caring for everyone else. But the trouble with Socialism is that there is always going to be someone willing to take advantage of the system, and the same is true for organised religion. All the papal edicts, all the ceremonies, all the prostrating, the homophobia, the mitre and sceptres and fancy dress, it's all a load of shit. Especially the Latin and the 'thees' and 'thous'. It's religion without thinking because the priest thinks for you. It's religion without necessarily having faith. It's habit. And it's bad. (IMHO). Anyway, this has turned into an essay. I didn't mean it too. But it did. Fucking thing. Already had one exam today. Yeah, sorry all you who've ended up reading it, it'sjust an opinionated rant of no consequance whatsoever. Faith is good. Religion is bad. As for the threadstarter saying Christianity is a minority religion Atheists make up 2.5% of the worlds population. 33% of the people in the world say they are Christian. Hmmm... a minority.
onewhodreams	Date: June 16, 2005 @ 10:39 AM Amen to that EvilPicnic.
AgentMGD	Date: June 16, 2005 @ 11:31 AM neither all my life i have lived in a structured and strict Baptist home with a strong emphasis on stict. Baptist preachers love preaching about the evils of sex, drugs, music - you name it...it's probably evil. when i turned 18, i was happy to leave that type of environment. i still believe in Christ and attend church(but not as a member)sometimes - it's the rigidness of the Baptist fundamentals that I don't like and don't want to subject my children to like i was when i was a child. kiss
zedsalt	Date: June 16, 2005 @ 12:35 PM Cryxan hit the nail right on the head: "While many individuals practice their religions privately, when it comes to group behavior, things change for most of them." I literally lost count of the times I've seen good people, MORAL people, abandon morally sound behavior as soon as they become a member of "an organized religion" (a term that's always struck me as oxymoronic). I was forced into weekly visits to a Methodist church until I was nine. My parents set that as the age when they'd allow each of us kids to make our own decision. I opted for a second baptism and a cessation of the Sunday ritual.
kingo	Date: June 16, 2005 @ 2:08 PM Keep Christ Outta Weed! Spent the first 18 years of my life going to catholic mass every sunday, catholic school every school day, listening to priests and nuns and brothers. Somehow in all that time god never found me. I must've had on some kind of weird deflector hat.
zedsalt	Date: June 17, 2005 @ 12:04 PM Now, Halaka, you KNOW that tinfoil hat only works against space aliens, Major League Baseball, and Texas Republicans. BTW, would it still be o.k. for me to say things like, "CHRIST, this good weed!!!"?
kingo	Date: June 17, 2005 @ 12:35 PM Well sure, I guess, as long as your interjecting. Just don't put any communion wafers in your doobie, or any consecrated wine in your bong, is all I'm saying.
BOWILLIE	Date: June 17, 2005 @ 1:21 PM i use the bible to clean the seeds outa my weed.. i read it when i do that.. (lightning just struck bowillie)
2step-4eva	Date: June 17, 2005 @ 2:44 PM i think at least in the UK real christians are in a minority. well according to statistics.gov.uk 71.8% of the UK population claim to be christian. but i wonder how many of the really love thy neighbour? i dunno about my neighbour, i cant remember his name but his baby is always screaming and his cat always shits in my garden. but i have a lot more time for religion than what i used to. i definately dont think its a bad thing.
2step-4eva	Date: June 17, 2005 @ 2:49 PM but then i'd much rather see a religion which incorporated the regular smoking of weed, along with also loving thy neighbour, and not coveting thy neighbour's ass or anything. i wonder if the planet was suddenly taken over by aliens, who then simultaneously discovered weed and alcohol. i can assure you that whatever the alien government's stance on drugs, alcohol would be more towards the illegal side going on actual effects.

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