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hantu	Date: November 30, 2005 @ 6:14 AM a) When listening to sers music here at DMusic, what do you do when: 1. You think it is absolute crap? 2. You think its good but nothing special? 3. You think its pretty good? 4. You absolutely love it? 5. Or you just don't know what to say, for whatever reason... e.g. not farmiliar with the genre or whatever? b) Do you sometimes lie on the comments you make? ------------------------ Why am i asking these questions? - i am begining to feel many people don't give 100% truthful comments, well okay i have felt like that for a long time now and i know for a fact others do to.... so there we are
kingo	Date: November 30, 2005 @ 8:04 AM Well here we go again.
dissymix	Date: November 30, 2005 @ 8:40 AM 1. You think it is absolute crap? I say "its crap" 2. You think its good but nothing special? "its good, but nothing special" 3. You think its pretty good? "hey man, thats pretty good " 4. You absolutely love it? "0mG!11!!oneoneone I love it! 5. Or you just don't know what to say, for whatever reason... e.g. not farmiliar with the genre or whatever? Ok this one is different. I find it really hard to comment when I'm not a fan of the genre (ur music is included Sham) but I am still honest and open minded.
BlackMage	Date: November 30, 2005 @ 9:07 AM 1. Try to analyze and give constructive criticism if possible. Just say what I think were the errors. (if in any case the song is complete bullshit and shouldn't have been ever made, I just point my finger at the screen and laugh at the other comments) Depends. 2. Try to analyze and give constructive criticism if possible. Say that it's kinda nice or 50-50. Depends. 3. Try to analyze and give constructive criticism if possible. Say that it's good. Depends. 4. Try to analyze and give constructive criticism if possible. Say that I like it very much. Depends. 5. Try to analyze and give constructive criticism if possible. The key word here is "TRY". If not, then just analyze. Depends. Why am I answering these questions? - I'm beginning to feel that Sham thinks that people don't give 100% truthful comments. Okay, I've felt that for a long time and I know for a fact that others do too. So here we are.
hantu	Date: November 30, 2005 @ 9:25 AM Hah! ... yeh thanx Luni
AgentMGD	Date: November 30, 2005 @ 10:12 AM 3. You think its pretty good? "very good song ...nice effort" 4. You absolutely love it? "awesome ...:clap: bravo ...:love: it! 5. Or you just don't know what to say, for whatever reason... e.g. not farmiliar with the genre or whatever? don't leave a comment b) Do you sometimes lie on the comments you make? never - honesty is the best policy ...even when it's a crappy song YES - you ask too many question! :razz:" id="180689">a) When listening to sers music here at DMusic, what do you do when: 1. You think it is absolute crap? tell the truth and critique it as such ...for the record i have given 3 bad reviews to 3 separate artists 2. You think its good but nothing special? "it's a good track or a good effort" 3. You think its pretty good? "very good song ...nice effort" 4. You absolutely love it? "awesome ... bravo ... it! 5. Or you just don't know what to say, for whatever reason... e.g. not farmiliar with the genre or whatever? don't leave a comment b) Do you sometimes lie on the comments you make? never - honesty is the best policy ...even when it's a crappy song YES - you ask too many question!
imemine	Date: November 30, 2005 @ 10:32 AM I say exactly the same thing every time. All 943 times exactly the same thing.
GeneHilbert	Date: November 30, 2005 @ 10:59 AM A lot of people will placate their friends so as not to hurt their feelings, and I agree that being malicious and cruel is not in anyone’s best interest. However to tell anyone that they are the greatest thing since The Doors just to placate them is counter productive, does no good and is stagnating. Most artists are well aware of their limitations – and most realize what is truthful and honest. As well, I believe artist want you to be honest with them (what a concept). There are exceptions of course and egos are powerful things, but so is modesty, and I believe all things being equal – most of us agree the latter is paramount for success. Acceptance and appreciation are validating aspects of our art and it takes a lot of balls (figuratively speaking) to show case an artistic creation for public display and discussion. Not every one will like it – that my friend’s is a fact of life. It is pretty easy to tell who is striving to be professional and who is not, so I treat those according. I’m harder or pros but will point to things I think need to be addressed in either case. Doodles, germs and motif ideas are pretty useless – I prefer finished works and I will state that. Most new comers and novice need guidance – whether they want it or not…… LOL Honesty is always best – and I believe ultimately appreciated.
BlackMage	Date: November 30, 2005 @ 11:24 AM Oh yeah... " b) Do you sometimes lie on the comments you make?" No, but opinions are subject to change.
GeneHilbert	Date: November 30, 2005 @ 11:38 AM LOL
AbortiveMind	Date: November 30, 2005 @ 11:59 AM Question for you Sham: What do you do when you farted in a public place, it starts smelling and people are wondering who done it...: 1. You say: hey, it was me :hyper 2. You blush and say: Oops I did it again 3. You stare at your feet 4. You say: It wasn't me 5. You fart again and leave the place with a big
zedsalt	Date: November 30, 2005 @ 12:37 PM A1: delete it from my 'puter's "My Music" folder (I haven't had luck trying to stream; I download everything I listen to here) A2: comment on whatever elements make me think it's "good", make any suggestions I may have as to how it might be improved or even made into something special A3: everything I do to A2s, then I put it on a CD A4: everything I do to A3s, and I talk it up to anyone who'll listen, play it for whoever will sit still long enough A5: It depends on whether or not it fits any of the other categories. I'd like to think that this is a common reaction to my work. B: Never. I've never felt any need to.
hantu	Date: November 30, 2005 @ 12:38 PM i rotate those five in turn
snotjello	Date: November 30, 2005 @ 3:24 PM Honest doesn't mean rude. I try to give an honest opinion, but politely and constructively.
LostYears	Date: November 30, 2005 @ 7:43 PM i comment in all places then to get some inspiration about how good music should sound i listen to some Lost Years
TameasDust	Date: November 30, 2005 @ 8:04 PM good forum ... I will be interested in the answers to this forum ... being as I do make comments on people's music from time to time ... not being an artist but a listener sometimes an artists efforts do not come up to what they have done previously ... told that to one artist on here and lo and behold they no longer talk to me ... go figure
Veracohr	Date: November 30, 2005 @ 8:05 PM Depends on the mood I'm in. If I don't like something, strongly or just vaguely, I usually don't comment. But sometimes I feel like making a constructive criticism on a song I don't like. Every once in a great while I make a destructive criticism, like "Gawd I am so sick of hearing pianos in trance" or something of the sort. Not my finest hours, but I make no attempt to be a perfect person. Sometimes I just don't have a comment, even if I like the song. Other times I have full intention of making a comment, then come to find out that everyone before me said the same things, so in that case I usually say, "Yeah, what they said." I make a serious effort to never lie. Sometimes I may not fully express how much I dislike something because I don't want to hurt someone's feelings, but I don't lie about it.
PIS	Date: December 1, 2005 @ 11:06 AM 1. I may just leave that for others, because the person might love what they do, would be harsh to cut them down, it might just be that I just dont get the music, crap music might be 1,000,000 years ahead of its time. 2. constructive criticism, say what i like about it and what i think could be improved. 3. give some motivating comments, and check back to hopefully hear the artist grow in confidence and skill. 4. just go crazy, usually im excited when writing and i'll go over the top, but if the track deserves it, then its all good.
DeadraveN	Date: December 1, 2005 @ 11:24 AM I try to be as positive as possible, but always honest. Offer what help I can, or admit if I can't... if I really don't like something, and think my comment will come across as too negative, I just don't say anything, esp if it's opinion or taste related as opposed to say, production tips. I'm sure lots of people don't like my music, but I'd rather hear "I would prefer the guitars louder/softer/ whatever".. to "the guitar is wrong.." I think too many people have a hard time telling the difference between opinion and fact, and I'm sure that's a line we all tip toe occasionally...
snotjello	Date: December 2, 2005 @ 8:30 PM Curiously, though, which of those statements would you call a fact (and which an opinion)? "I would prefer the guitars louder/softer/ whatever" or "the guitar is wrong."
shadowself	Date: December 2, 2005 @ 8:52 PM In that case, "I would prefer the guitars louder/softer/whatever" is fact (not the fact that something in the song is amiss, but fact that the listener has this preference) and "the guitar is wrong" is opinion. When giving constructive criticism, I try to remember to express it as only a personal choice. I would sooner say "the drums are a little loud for my taste" than "turn down the drums".
shadowself	Date: December 2, 2005 @ 8:53 PM Although there are things that CAN be stated as fact, like "your E string is horribly out of tune".
Woof	Date: December 2, 2005 @ 10:13 PM Kingo: "Well here we go again." My hero! If it's any help, I stopped coming to DMusic because comments got to be such a huge issue. What does it effin' matter what somebody thinks? I like Todd Rundgren, The Pet Shop Boys, The Wallflowers, Yes, Genesis, Martina McBride, Mike Oldfield, Bruce Woolley, The KLF, Blondie, Elvis Costello, Dylan, Badfinger, The Darling Buds, The Psychedelic Furs, old Bowie, old Gabriel, Phil Collins, and a hell of a lot of artists who were on the major labels before the majors began just crankin out any old shit that would sell. Guess what? Everybody I know finds plenty wrong with the artists I've mentioned... so of course, they'll find plenty wrong with me, too! Somebody doesn't like the way I sing something... well, that same somebody could listen to Todd wail away on "The Last Ride" (which I'm in awe of, and hate him. So what does it all mean, anyway? It means I won't comment out of politeness, I won't stroke somebody because they've been nice to me, and I won't encourage stuff that I think is shit. So I left it alone altogether because a handful of really great artists who could really knock me out didn't outweigh the crap I had to deal with from all the folks that I was less than impressed by, and couldn't bring myself to comment on. It became more about socialization than gettin into the songs. And I hated that. Took all the fun out of bein here. Sorry, folks... I had to say it straight. So sue me.
Woof	Date: December 2, 2005 @ 10:16 PM (which I'm in awe of) It was supposed to look like that. Edit feature, please! Damn typos!
mattbanx	Date: December 2, 2005 @ 10:48 PM I have been called rythmically challenged in ten thousand different ways around the net and melodically challenged. A lot of people just don't comment if they don't like something (which might explain why I only have 7 reviews). It's how a song moves you. A lot of musicians have this pro-assed attitude that something can only be done this way or that way. I try to judge as a listener. But I can't judge as a musician. I may as well just play like the rythmn samples on my keyboard if it gets down to that. I just know that creating is great for venting. No one is less special than anyone else with it.
snotjello	Date: December 3, 2005 @ 2:07 PM Othershadowself wrote: In that case, "I would prefer the guitars louder/softer/whatever" is fact (not the fact that something in the song is amiss, but fact that the listener has this preference) and "the guitar is wrong" is opinion. ---------------------- Snotjello replies: Well done.
BOWILLIE	Date: December 3, 2005 @ 4:02 PM if you dont like a song.. just cut the damn thing off and dont comment..people accept constructive critique.. but im really sure they dont give a crap about what you dont like. just my opinion.
BOWILLIE	Date: December 3, 2005 @ 4:54 PM in retrospect..just saying.. spare thier feelings a bit.. musicians are a sensitive lot.. its like telling them they have ugly children..lol.
snotjello	Date: December 3, 2005 @ 5:54 PM I don't think you can appreciate the positive and disregard the negative. Either people's opinions matter to you or they don't. If the positive is accepted, so must be the negative. Often you see stars have negative reviews quoted to them and they say "critics opinions don't matter". I wish the interviewer would quote a positive review later in the interview, just to see if they're paying attention. It's fine if opinions don't matter to someone, but it's a lie if they accept only the ones they like.
TameasDust	Date: December 4, 2005 @ 1:01 AM sooooooooo ... I take it that saying ... "this is a load of absolute crap ... how dare you assault my ears with this vulgar attempt at music ... talent is non existant in any of your family and least of all you ... The person who convinced you that you could record yourself and torture others should be fed slowly to a pack of fire ants ... I am surprised that the recording procution crew didn't barf all over and die on the spot when they heard this rampant ooozing vomit coming from someone that looked human ... Take my advice and donate yourself to the food chain of dinosaurs ... The less we hear from you again the happier humankind will be!" ... would not be a comment you would wish to hear
kingo	Date: December 4, 2005 @ 1:57 AM Hey, Tameas -- I thought I deleted that comment. Why ya gotta be putting it up here like this? Woof -- It's too late in the evening/morning/whatever time it is for to give the response to what you just said in the way I feel like giving it. This place can get pretty... close? for regulars, and it seems like it gets to where it's hard for ANYTHING not to mean more than it means. And, like I said, it's late, and it's impossible for me to mean what I mean without saying something about things meaning more than they mean and that's gotta mean something but fuck if I know what. Maybe it's just time for a new hat.
TameasDust	Date: December 4, 2005 @ 1:59 AM
GeneHilbert	Date: December 4, 2005 @ 2:55 AM So you don't want anybody commenting on your music, or only comment if you really like it, or don't like but will lie and blow smoke up your ass so as not to offend you and make you uncomfortable or sad...... Why bother? What is the point? As an artist, I believe it your job to be engaging, right, wrong or indifferent. No pain, no struggle, no motivation, no rejection, no obstacles….. NO growth…… but that is your choice.
TameasDust	Date: December 4, 2005 @ 3:27 AM
TameasDust	Date: December 4, 2005 @ 6:38 AM .....
hantu	Date: December 4, 2005 @ 8:46 AM omg! ... now where did i put that fish of mine?
TameasDust	Date: December 4, 2005 @ 8:50 AM .....
TameasDust	Date: December 4, 2005 @ 8:50 AM ....
TameasDust	Date: December 4, 2005 @ 8:50 AM ....
hantu	Date: December 4, 2005 @ 8:52 AM
TameasDust	Date: December 4, 2005 @ 8:53 AM
TameasDust	Date: December 4, 2005 @ 8:53 AM
TameasDust	Date: December 4, 2005 @ 8:54 AM annoying ain't it
hantu	Date: December 4, 2005 @ 9:05 AM
EtherEclectic	Date: December 4, 2005 @ 1:50 PM if i hear something that has potention yet needs improvement i will offer advice in the form of a comment for the song. if i really like it i will comment aswell. if its so bad that i'd wished i'd become deaf before i listened, then i usually just walk out quietly.
EtherEclectic	Date: December 4, 2005 @ 1:50 PM if i hear something that has potential! damn i hate typos!
Vickxxx	Date: December 4, 2005 @ 4:23 PM Seems like this question pops up once or twice a year..... I think Gene covered all the bases for me in his comments. Here's my 2 cents.... There are some artists here whose songwriting, performance and production skills are so consistently fucking good the only thing you CAN say when a new song is posted is "Damn...another killer tune"...anything past that is icing on the cake. As for any other material that I listen to and comment on, I'm always moved by the feel of the piece that I listen to. If it's good, of course I'll leave some positive feedback. If the production, arrangment, or performances are under par, I'll constructively let you know. I don't lie on any comments...I walk away and move on to the next song if it's that bad. If I don't like a particular song, it's generally just not my cup of tea and I shouldn't be commenting on it.
aflunky	Date: December 4, 2005 @ 4:55 PM a) When listening to sers music here at DMusic, what do you do when: 1. You think it is absolute crap? -Damnit MR.Q, stop skipping school! 2. You think its good but nothing special? -It's ok, you just gotta (Insert creative criticisim here) next time, good job here. 3. You think its pretty good? - Awsome! I love the (Insert what I loved here)Keep doin your thing. 4. You absolutely love it? - Wholly Fucking shit, that was the best shit I've ever heard! I love (yeah) That was Awsome! Bravo! 5. Or you just don't know what to say, for whatever reason... e.g. not farmiliar with the genre or whatever? - (nothing) b) Do you sometimes lie on the comments you make? -No, cuz I believe in trying to help improve other's music as well as my own.