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BIR	Date: March 18, 2006 @ 7:49 AM Yes! so lets, Mosh. Remember when,..Saddam tryed to kill Bush Sr. Remember when,..Ben laden's family gave Bush Jr an oilwell for a Gift. (laden's are old bush family friends) "to believe that it was a conspiracy or hoax, you must first believe that the government / those involved are actually smart enough to think it up and pull it off" well if you think Bush broke out a crayola and came up with this your not thinking it out enough. The goverment pays people to think of all kinds of un-thinkables,It's happening right now as I type this. Payed for by our tax dollars!! "There's nothing that burns hot enough to melt the steel that keeps these things up".. it takes 1500 deg to just soften steel! turbines run at around 600deg idle. George W. Bush, Jr. is a member of the Skull & Bones. That is 100%true. did you know that almost every major President of the U.S. is a member of the Freemasons this is also somewhat true. The info is not hard to find. Those who put full trust in our goverment are the fucking idiots!! True.i added the word full The white color of the explosion in the second frame cannot be explained as the combustion of jet fuel. True,also the flame pattern is wrong. It does not go far enough into the building. vapor trail..if there was one could not be missed,and if the plane was off with no RPM you would see a dif vapor trail from high speed oxygen and water seperation.This is present @ 180mph,you can sometimes see it happen in a nascar race. and why dont they just show the whole pentagon video.. Why did NYC phones fail,before the crash? Why were air trafic controllers relived of duty? Why did firemen report hearing a loud explosion in building 2,..just Before the 2nd impact? Why No Air Force interseption,They were told to stand down. why did our goverment blow the fuck out of a country in the middle of the night and kill more people than the number of people killed on 9/11? Innocent Familys sleeping!! I dont blame them for fighting us,look what did to there Friends and Familys..we Basicly Invaded their Land!! I know if that happened here in the USA everybody with a gun would be fighting back!! Same shoe Diffrent foot,same outcome and you know thats true. War is stupid! Life is a gift! Remember we are all in this together..some of us don't approve of our goverments actions. And.. Lets try not to name call people,it's just not a nice thing to do. To all who have fallen for no just cause.
aflunky	Date: March 18, 2006 @ 7:58 AM Give me a few more months and you'll hear my views on the govt and it's conspiracies.
EvilPicnic	Date: March 18, 2006 @ 8:43 AM This thread is funny. Obviously nothing can excuse terrorist atrocities such as that on 9/11, but the US is not in the right here by a long shot. (The idea that the US government master minded 9/11 is preposterous, btw. It makes for amusing reading, though.) Bush cynically used the (understandable) anger of the US people to bounce the country into a war which absolutely nothing to do with the atrocity, other than being in the same region of the world as the perpetrators. The attack on Iraq was brutal (I remember a BBC report on the illegality of the type of phosphorous grenade tactics the US troops were using) and the whole dehumanisation of the killing of thousands of innocent men, woman and children into 'collateral damage' is pretty disgusting. And what of the WMD's? The US and UK completley ignored the UN, and the independant investigators reports (one of whom commited suicide over the whole thing. More collateral damage.) Guantanamo bay? How on earth can you lock someone up without a charge, without even telling them what what they're suspected of, hold them indefinately, and still claim to be a country which cares about justice. What about the transportation of suspects to Egypt where torture is legal? The Freedom of Information Act has forced the US to release over 5000 pages of transcripts of guntanamo interrogations. One of them records the trial of since-released British prisoner Feroz Abbassi in which Abbassi vainly pleads with his judge (a US airforce colonel) to reveal the evidence against him, something which he says he has a right to hear under international law. The colonel replies, 'Mr Abbassi your conduct is unacceptable and this is your absolute final warning. I do not care about international law. I do not want to hear the words international law. We are not concerned about international law.' I think that speaks for itself. I'm not anti-American or anti-anybody. I don't believe in stupid conspiracy theories nor do I believe that all the bad things in the world are the US's fault. But I do believe that the middle-east is getting the shitty and of the stick. Both the West and the East have been treating the area like their own personal playground for the past hundreds of years, funding one side, funding another, invading here, invading there, cutting up the maps willy-nilly. It's all in an awful state, and the area of the world which was once the most enlightened (surgery, medicine, algebra etc. all were invented there) is now a dungheap full of pissed off, angry radicals, fed up of being fucked over by us. And we wonder why they hate us so much. That was long and unnecessary and I daresay no-one will read it, but that don't really matter. I was just venting.
ChillinBuzz	Date: March 18, 2006 @ 9:09 AM I'm sorry, ANYTHING is possible in this day and age... and Bush is bleeding the money outta your country... just like Blair. Pointless wars. Needless deaths. THIS IS WHAT WE FUCKING BUILT NUKES FOR. gees... money money money money... all anyone ever cares about. greedy. bloated. disgraces to the human race. politicians.
EvilPicnic	Date: March 18, 2006 @ 9:11 PM Si. Politicians are like the absolute last people who should be running countries. They want power. That's why they became politicians, and that's why they shouldn't run our countries, because it's the people who are selfless and don't make a career out of being powerful who really care about us poor fuckers living here.
themakeshifts	Date: March 18, 2006 @ 11:34 PM Ultimately, it doesn't really matter whether or not the U.S authorities were directly responsible (as in planned/carried out) for the attacks. While that may prove some day to be the smoking gun that brings the whole house down, its not really necessary. The Bush Administration's days are numbered any way you look at it, and at this point slaughtering almost 3,000 of their own citizens is among their lesser endeavours. The conspiracy theories are interesting, but will generally pan out to be little more than that. While there are many 'scientific' details about explosions, pre-collapse corrosion of support beams, etc... its all at the end of the day speculation. I mean, can anyone prove an explosion? Missiles? The missing links have all been shredded long ago. Anything you can't prove, you best forget about because its going to get you nowhere and may in fact undermine your credibility and destroy any real truth you may have. Its safe to assume, however, that the U.S. was either a) Actively participating in the execution of the attacks at a planning/training/support level b) Aware of the imminent attacks and 'standing down the fighters' c) Waiting for an attack as an 'opportunity' to kickstart the agenda What you have to keep in mind is that option A is the one that is the best for people like you and me, posting on this forum and pissed at Bush. We WANT it to be true, so we make it so in our minds. This is the same mental faculty that allows people to keep supporting Bush in the face of all this shit. Be aware of when you're fooling yourself or fall victim to it. And at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. To prove option A will require a long trail of bodies found shot, execution style (ours, not the troops, not the politicians, us) before it can ever be 'proved' and convictions made. If the proof even still exists, anywhere, which i doubt it does. In fact, we'd be lucky to even have the dignity of being found blindfolded in a ditch with a bullet in the back of the head. We'd be 'suicided', or otherwise dealt with. Many probably already have been and we don't even know it. Or ever will. Large, bulky empires like the U.S. won't likely be brought down by conspiracy theories... they'll die from their own dead weight and the slow attrition of bad policy. Like, for example, unwinnable wars in the face of an increasing global economic competition from nations like China. The truly ironic part is that if the Chinese were to become the world hegemonic power, we might end up a little nostalgic for the "good ol' Bush days". Nations like China make no bones about executing their political opponents, its just the way they work and they don't feel the need to hide it. But I digress... listen to our track 'Shit Is Heavy'... its got quotes from Michael Ruppert, a 9/11 conspiracy theorist who deals (as least claims to, never ever believe anything anyone says ever, including everything I just typed) only with what he can 'prove'. The first quote in the song sums it up.
k-smoove	Date: March 21, 2006 @ 3:31 PM http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=Loose+Change To add to your comment: If it has been documented and even insiders to the global elite are leaking this information, wat makes it speculation?? I do agree with the scientific details segment of your post but no one can rule out that conspiracy theories aren't in any way shape or form going to attribute the downfall of a bulky country such as this one. Why? because for 1, if it can be proven then it isn't a theory and 2, if a gov't is conspiring against it's inhabited society and its inner workings are made known to public awareness that will incite insurrection which will lead to, indirectly or not, the downfall of the ruling class/classes. This fact is found throughtout history and is noted in the writings of Karl Marx. A smoking gun is the best evidence you can have as proof and if you're looking in the right places, boy are u gonna find a bunch of'em.
K3VIN	Date: March 21, 2006 @ 3:43 PM BIR Those who put full trust in our goverment are the fucking idiots!! True.i added the word full i disagree with this statement, Britney Spears told me that she puts her full trust in Bush so I will too
Inuyashafreak	Date: March 21, 2006 @ 5:54 PM Check this website out you guys....be sure to click on the ad on the right side bar...and it's all true..lol Stupid government. I know money, money, money....but at the cost of lives...stupid, stupid!!! http://www.911reopen.org
K3VIN	Date: March 21, 2006 @ 5:59 PM ? i dont see nething
Inuyashafreak	Date: March 21, 2006 @ 6:01 PM sorry guys....the website is wrong. It is acually this... http://www.reopen911.org
LegoBreaks	Date: April 18, 2006 @ 6:58 PM To be taken with a grain of salt of course but an interesting site. http://www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike2.htm And yes theres no doubt that 911 was fully orgastrated, i feel sorry for anyone who still holds firmly to the wool over their eyes.
form	Date: June 29, 2006 @ 9:47 AM I still find it interesting how people will easily accept one theory for which there is no proof, i.e. that 19 hijackers from the middle east were responsible for 9/11, and then balk at even the suggestion of another theory for which there is at least some proof, i.e. that bombs in the buildings caused them to go down (eyewitness testimony, seismographs from the day, photos of suspicious bursts out the sides just before the tower fell, larry silverstein's "pull it" comment, et cetera). "No, there is no proof!" they crow and then run back under the wing of the comfortable mainstream view that they are too scared to stray from. The fact is, people don't dismiss every idea told to them unless they get proof. They only dismiss the ideas they deep down don't believe or don't want to believe, and then excuse themselves by acting all impartial. For these people, no amount of evidence is enough, even if all the signs point in the same direction. I believe that learning the truth about 9/11, or at least not being to afraid to ask the questions, is a vital step in realising that most of what we are told by our leader s and media is a half-truth at best. It is certainly not wise to spend one's life poring over every conspiracy website, as true as they may be, if only because it's depressing as hell and may even serve the New World Order's goal . Instead, once you have researched enough to know that this whole New World Order thing is not a joke, you can get back to focussing on one of the only things that will be a spanner in the works - being a person who lives their life with a heart truly full of love, compassion and hope. Truly, not just saying it. BEING it. If we can do that, then they cannot touch us.
zedsalt	Date: June 29, 2006 @ 11:24 AM Well said, well spoken! This is one of the reasons I hope to live into my eighties- because that's when I figure most of the truth regarding the attacks will come to light.
cantillon	Date: June 30, 2006 @ 7:26 AM Some say there was only One World war last century - it lasted a hundred years and is still going strong: http://www.channel4.com/history/microsites/H/history/t-z/warworld1.html
TameasDust	Date: June 30, 2006 @ 7:30 AM Actually CNNs ratings were dropping so they decided that having a war would be good
TameasDust	Date: June 30, 2006 @ 7:32 AM CNN doesn't report the news ... CNN makes the news
Svensta	Date: June 30, 2006 @ 8:35 AM "This is also somewhat true" Are you for real? Are you somewhat moronic? As for the truth... They still don't know what happened to Kennedy in Dallas, after all.
mudshadow	Date: June 30, 2006 @ 12:12 PM first thing I remember coming outta the commander-in-chief's mouth was "there will be no investigation..." and then all the victims were paid a cool mill to shut the fuck up. pretty fucking obvious from the start wasn't it?
ChillinBuzz	Date: June 30, 2006 @ 12:17 PM ah, the "magic bullet" theory. it was ME! i was on the grassy knoll! i wasnt born for another 10 years but i must've done it!

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