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free uploads are great but out of control

Pcinder	Date: December 20, 2005 @ 10:30 AM when introduce to dmusic back in the day by smooka aka.(bedouin} this place seem a really good place to be heard upload ur tunes and be commented on dmusic seem to be a place where u can hang out and chill with other musician and no dought this place is great but im feeling that there should be a better process to upload music obtain better exposure for everyones beloved music. my thoughts are upon uploading a song new and exsisting musician should have to listen and commment on a number of other musicians to earn there upload. by doin this they would achieve points towards there upload and the exsisting musician/artist would benefit as well by being heard,getting the comments that everyone loves and maybe geta new fan who wouldnt have listen to ur music normaly sounds sweet to me but just a thought of course just want to here what everyone elses thoughts are on this topic i dont think this process would harm dmusics integrity at all just think the number of uploads would slow down but the exsisting artist would be bombarded with reviews on there music whats the harm in that i dont no tell me what ya think thankz JAKE SINDER
kingo	Date: December 20, 2005 @ 11:13 AM That's already exactly the process in place at a different music site. To get exposure here your best bet is to listen and comment on other peoples' music, to send people cryptic shouts in their shoutboxes, and to respond to forum posts with irrelevant, off-topic, and possibly indecipherable messages. A fun game to play is to try to figure out the best way to people here without them blocking you, or even without them noticing you're spamming. An even MORE FUNNER game to play here is to try to figure out where the members are who are here to actually listen to music and not just get listens for their own stuff. And the MOST FUNNESTER game of all is to see if you can steal the audience from one of the following: Chuckie or any of his 27 accounts, OR all the cover songs getting the most daily listens. It takes a lot of time, intelligence, good posture, impeccable brick-laying skills, and perseverence to do this stuff, but once you get the hang of it the rewards are unstounding. Good luck!
DeadraveN	Date: December 20, 2005 @ 11:14 AM I disagree... forcing comments and reviews would just cause lots of insincerity, or short "great job, dude!" type comments, just so people who wanted to get some exposure could upload. I personally prefer it as it is... comment at will. though, oddly enough, the site does work the way you mention in a way already, the more you interact/comment/review/ etc... the more attention you draw to yourself and your music. I think that leaving the site as it is, with the comments encouraged, but not forced, is essential to maintaining the integrity of dmusic...
mental-torture	Date: December 20, 2005 @ 11:20 AM DeadraveN basicly said exactly what I was gong to say about 3 seconds before I did.... darn you... but yea, I see what your saying, It would be easier for new uploads to be heard, but it will also cause people to find cheap ways of "listening" to your song. Like starting a steam, then closing it. and having that count as a listen. and for comments, they will just b/s it.
DeadraveN	Date: December 20, 2005 @ 11:23 AM btw, my disagreeance was with the original post,not with kingo as it would appear, his typery apparently being speedier than mine..
mental-torture	Date: December 20, 2005 @ 11:24 AM i didnt even realize that it appeared that way.
Pcinder	Date: December 20, 2005 @ 11:57 AM so what ur saying being manipulative is the only way to be heard around here and i dont think thats right to set a standard for for music and play so i can manipulate some one into listening to my stuff its like a joke and everyones laughing without hereing the punch line i know there are other sites on the net using simular attributes but by using the points system thats already exsisting i think that music would be heard not manipulated
kingo	Date: December 20, 2005 @ 12:05 PM Uhm. The thing is that the method you're talking about, the "point system," IS manipulative and manipulatable. It's forcing people to listen to music in order to upload music. That's manipulation. The way this site is is the LEAST manipulative. You can just ask people to listen to your music. You can leave it there and not ask anybody. The thing is, there's no way to get people to listen to ANY music without in some way manipulating them. By putting music somewhere that is available for others to listen to you are setting in motion a manipulation. If someone listens, they have been manipulated into listening. CAN'T YOU SEE IT'S ALL A GAME AND WE'RE ALL JUST PAWNS AND NO ONE CAN CONTROL HIS OR HER OWN ACTIONS AND WE MIGHT AS WELL ALL JUST GIVE UP?!??
victorsskull	Date: December 20, 2005 @ 12:07 PM fuck that uike: this doesnt need to turn into garage garbage . fucking com
DeadraveN	Date: December 20, 2005 @ 12:08 PM could you all pleas take a break from this and go listen to my music... you can find it here: http://www.gourmetsleuth.com/cheddarbeerfondue.htm
BOWILLIE	Date: December 20, 2005 @ 12:09 PM i agree..garage is a load of crap.
Pcinder	Date: December 20, 2005 @ 12:12 PM plus rulz and guidelines for uploading would apply here at dmusic plenty of them already exsist whats wrong with a few more so take for instance a user would listen to hole song and comment for genre of music they wish to upload before he or she recieve points. by eliminating the stream and bounce effect comments would be a standard of ten words or more for protacol hense forth less manipulation
DeadraveN	Date: December 20, 2005 @ 12:16 PM there's just too many variables and gaming involved in that kind of a set up. Not to mention it'd just promote pat-on-the-back positive feedback loops. This site working the way it does is what makes us all love it as we do. There is a beauty to the simplicity. you want people to listen to your music, ask them! just try not to do it with spread-fire type spam, 'cause no one responds to that...
Pcinder	Date: December 20, 2005 @ 12:25 PM i agree fuck garage band but ur pushin cover songs to win a fucking contest what so independent about that this place really has no stucture it like fuckin cuba around here user can upload just about anything and if your in the clic or ur goin down on the right person u get heard thats bull shit
DeadraveN	Date: December 20, 2005 @ 12:38 PM I think you missed the point of the cover contest, I'm guessing you weren't here, but it was a blast. we covered each others tunes, and I thought it captured the 'independant' spirit pretty well, is that the contest you were talking about? and fuck structure! who needs it? you're being provided a service here for free! exposure for your music! a chance to be heard! and you're complaining because dm doesn't "make" them listen? the question you need to ask yourself is this, do you make music for the love, to reach an audience, or because you want your ass kissed anonymous people on some damn internet site? some one get me another soap box, dammit, this one aitn high enough!
leflaw	Date: December 20, 2005 @ 12:43 PM compromise: 5 free up loads another 5 free uploads for every 1.) review of another's track 2.) gear review 3.) news article. 4.) ? ( don't say blow job, victor) well, what you think?
DeadraveN	Date: December 20, 2005 @ 12:46 PM well, that begs the question, does this remain within the realm of the already alotted space limits? heheh that is actually a pretty good idea there, leflaw. (was joking about the space limit thing, as habitual commenters and dm addicts like Gene Hilbert would no doubt take over your servers fairly quickly... )
hate9wicket	Date: December 20, 2005 @ 12:46 PM This place is what it is, take it for what it is, a really simple way for musicians to share their creations, be it a cover or a really bad first attempt or a grand masterpiece that WE get first crack at. I realize I am responsible utimately for the listens I get. The folks who get the most attention you notice, have been here a while, they interact, they comment and listen, plus they've gotten better at what they put up songwise. It is all trial and error, I know the only way I get attention is if I give it, I got to be more proactive, but I'm shy, I listen to a lot of stuff, but sometimes I'm a bit reluctant to post comments, because I want to hear something 3 or 4 times first, I want to put as much thought into what I say and what I figure the artist put into writing, recording and performing their work that THEY deem worthy for us the priviledge of knowing.
victorsskull	Date: December 20, 2005 @ 12:47 PM no leave it alone
victorsskull	Date: December 20, 2005 @ 12:48 PM oh and blow job
mental-torture	Date: December 20, 2005 @ 1:03 PM actually i like leflaw's comprimise, it keeps people from just uploading music and spamming it all day long, and it doesnt restrict you to having to listen to every single song on dmusic.
Pcinder	Date: December 20, 2005 @ 1:13 PM im not tryin step on toes and be on pedistal i love the free freedom on this site thats what makes it great i think people here are cool and fun to listen to on my own . the folks that ive chatted with seem nice and ive enjoyed the music here but my main concern is structure thats all i just think uploads are out of control and needs to be structured to eliminate cover songs when orginality should be standard on any music site that is be considered independent!!!! cover songs make u a dependent on others who have already written and established a name for them selfs so using the name of well established band is sure way to get ur upload heard it s like copying ur homework from the encyclopedia and gettin A i no theres a law against that some where just piece of mind take it as u want
TameasDust	Date: December 20, 2005 @ 1:25 PM ever notice when something works and has no problems people want to change it ... freedom of speach ... good thing ... just don't disagree
Pcinder	Date: December 20, 2005 @ 1:31 PM ever notice when peaple are to stubburn to accept that every thing changes in this feeble little world
mental-torture	Date: December 20, 2005 @ 1:33 PM oh hell no, u did not just call me feeble.... ah, oh well. whatcha gonna do?
twodimensional	Date: December 20, 2005 @ 2:05 PM another 5 free uploads for every... so... take the wonderfulness of dmusic and mix it with the shittiness of garage band, for a result of what? dmusic diluted with shittiness. it's not a contest. if you want your music heard, you damn well promote it yourself. if i am forced to comment on music, i'll be leaving. i have a feeling i won't be the only one. sure, i don't contribute a lot to this place, but still... start forcing comments like garageband, and there will be an exodus. dmusic is about the community. people comment on music that they want to comment on. cover or not. if you want no covers and forced listens, go to garageband. i hated that site. leave dmusic alone, and don't try to change it to something you want and something that the majority came here to get away from.
kingo	Date: December 20, 2005 @ 2:28 PM leflaw, I'm not sure I understand the point of your suggestion. We don't even HAVE an upload limit here, we have a space limit. Are you saying cut back the space to allow for 5 songs, and then get an extra 5 for every review? If you couch that in terms of available space, maybe I'd understand it more. I think the real problem here that PCinder is talking about is that there are too many shitty covers being uploaded. Either that or he's mad because he's not getting immediate listens to his music. The thing about the covers is I don't think you'd find anyone who disagrees that the glut of them is annoying. At least no one who says anything. On the other hand, I don't know that you'll find too much support for an outright BAN on them. A middle-ground solution to that problem would probably be complicated. For instance, a rule that allowed x number of covers per x number of originals, or outright limited cover uploading, would be quickly circumvented by people uploading the same shit and just not labelling it as covers. Then you'd have to police the uploads more heavily. Seriously, as far as I can tell, this place is GOOD at doing what it does. Here, DeadraveN - -- you can have this back now.
GeneHilbert	Date: December 20, 2005 @ 3:07 PM 5 free up loads another 5 free uploads for every 1.) review of another's track - 5 tunes per on review - That is a ton of uploads....... an upload per every 5 reviews I think might be more appropriate, manageable.... and definitely a motivating factor to make people listen. But I have to say – the biggest motivator for me is visiting the artists that have left me comments. A lot of those are new to me, and most I might not know about otherwise. 2.) gear review - interesting idea – from empirical experience only, not a copy and paste from EM. 3.) news article - interesting idea – although the last one I submitted was never posted. 4.) ? ( don't say blow job, victor) I concur - this simply is not a pretty picture.... I love you brother..... but the thought of you getting your honker waxed is disturbing..... LOL This is a non-subscriber terms of use suggestion or is this an across the board proposal for all….? DeadraveN........ I feel da love.........
2step-4eva	Date: December 20, 2005 @ 3:17 PM just wanna point out that if, when i first accidently stumbled upon this site, i'd read that i had to make comments on other music before i could upload anything, i think i would have just left it and carried on with what i was originally doing and that would have been that.
Israfel	Date: December 20, 2005 @ 3:36 PM I agree with 2step...leave it alone. Listen to the music, comment if you want to, and people will reply in kind. The best way to get to know the music on this site is to spend some time in the genre stacks...just listen...find those gems. Some of the artists are not that active here in the forums but the music shines. And isn't that what its all about?
mental-torture	Date: December 20, 2005 @ 4:01 PM such a long though of the day... why dont we think of something better?
DeadraveN	Date: December 20, 2005 @ 4:06 PM Okay, well, on the off chance that leflaw is still paying attention to this thread, here's a conclusion I know we've reached a buncha times in similar threads,,... how about listing "cover songs" as a seperate genre? eh? eh? , and as an added bonus, if you could figure out a way to exclude them from the overall charts, well, maybe we'd start caring about the charts around here... I mean let's face it, they are a bit of a standing joke at the moment...
kingo	Date: December 20, 2005 @ 4:17 PM Most of them aren't even standing.
twodimensional	Date: December 20, 2005 @ 5:57 PM how about listing "cover songs" as a seperate genre? i was just about to post that, actually. that would stop all the griping, whining and moaning. give users the ability to change the genre, add a cover category, add a disclaimer that covers found outside of this category will be deleted.
Distilled1	Date: December 20, 2005 @ 6:07 PM "The thing about the covers is I don't think you'd find anyone who disagrees that the glut of them is annoying." do it all the way leave the damn riff beging Cr*p off the site! Garage band sucks this is a great site leave it alone let the Admins work on what they are Promote your self out side of DMusic there was a great artical in the news a few months back, (can't remember who wrote it) that says it all no on-line site is gona et you heard its up to you thats the damn bottom line! Music.... love it or leave it
Distilled1	Date: December 20, 2005 @ 6:08 PM that was "." no ... gona (g)et
kingo	Date: December 20, 2005 @ 6:28 PM The problem with all of that is there are some good covers.
GeneHilbert	Date: December 20, 2005 @ 6:34 PM I agree with kingo..... there are some killer covers here. I am not opposed in placing them separate from the original works. That's logical, fair and appropriate.
ryanwilliams	Date: December 22, 2005 @ 11:29 PM Man. Okay, the 5 song thing is a silly idea. Away with that. As far as covers, there are good ones, which is why they can't be done away with, but at the same time, some people have nothing but covers. That's their perogative. Dmusic allows this, so people will continue to do it. If you don't want to hear any covers--don't click on "Play" This seems a simple situation on the whole. Pcinder wants instant results. There's more to dmusic than just uploading your songs. You get what you put in. Saying "Hey, I got a new song!" in a shoutbox, or posting a journal is pretty much the extent of proper self-promotion that can be done at dmusic. Everything else is interaction. Comment in forums, leave decent, thought-out comments on songs, say hi to people when they're on, MAKE FRIENDS. This will get you noticed. I know it's been said before by others, and it's true--a lot of the people on Dmusic that I've found and liked I found becaus they said something in a forum that caught my eye, or had an interesting name/avatar. Everybody that's in this 'clique' you speak of got there by interacting with the other site members. That's what you have to do. The more you give, the more you'll get--and that works in reverse too. Slack off, and don't be suprised if listens and comments slow down. That's kind of it. If you wanna play the game, you'll be welcome to it.
Fraser	Date: December 22, 2005 @ 11:37 PM Cheddar Beer Fondue?
TameasDust	Date: December 22, 2005 @ 11:50 PM no free uploads ... ooo touchy ground there ... startin to sound "green" ... green people are the other brand ... you want to be green people ... where is sinai when yah need him ...
TameasDust	Date: December 22, 2005 @ 11:53 PM oh can yah make your point in 100 words or less ... long winded explainations are just more bullshit ... and I left my paddle on the other shore ...
Vickxxx	Date: December 23, 2005 @ 12:44 AM Sorry, but I got problems just trying to fill the existing space I've subscribed to.....so the 5 song dealie is out for me I like the free wheelin nature of this place. To have to make comments in order to get my songs uploaded would be pure bullshit. If you have the time, interaction and networking is what will promote your music on this site. If you don't have the time..... Oh well.
ryanwilliams	Date: December 23, 2005 @ 12:56 AM I have and shall always be a long-winded motherfucker.
Distilled1	Date: December 23, 2005 @ 1:36 AM covers and 30 second clips of I just got a guitar for my birthday, now I think thats great and will even listen I just hate that they are 75% of the top played almost each day it takes away from my lazy way of finding new music:lol: when I came here I found ryan's music by looking at the most listend and his stuff is 100% GREAT:D now I find really bad covers of metalica recorded through 2 tin cans :( need a seperate genra its a must! Sorry I'm on vicadone tonight:D:D:D" id="187415">I wasn't saying do away with covers, I love covers actuly done well or diffrent, (go listen to time for ince i've been loving you, or all of Electric Gypsy's covers)I just think this site (only recently) has been over run with "BAD" covers and 30 second clips of I just got a guitar for my birthday, now I think thats great and will even listen I just hate that they are 75% of the top played almost each day it takes away from my lazy way of finding new music when I came here I found ryan's music by looking at the most listend and his stuff is 100% GREAT now I find really bad covers of metalica recorded through 2 tin cans need a seperate genra its a must! Sorry I'm on vicadone tonight