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lookin4romeo	Date: December 27, 2005 @ 8:27 PM Only in America: Can a pizza get to your house faster than an ambulance. Are there handicap parking places in front of a skating rink. Do drugstores make the sick walk all the way to the back to get their prescriptions while healthy people can buy cigarettes right up front. Do people order double cheeseburgers, large fries, and then top it all off with a DIET coke because they're concerned about their weight Do banks leave the doors open and then chain the pens to the counter. Do we leave cars worth thousands of dollars in the driveway and put our useless junk in the garage. Do we use answering machines to screen calls and then have "call waiting" so we won't miss a call from someone we don't want to talk to in the first place. Do we buy hot dogs in packages of ten and buns in packages of eight. Do we use the word "Politics" to describe the process so well: "Poli" (from Latin) means "many", and "tics", meaning blood-sucking pests. Do banks have drive-up ATM machines with Braille lettering.
AJPresensky	Date: December 30, 2005 @ 10:30 PM Wow, do you know how old these jokes are? They aren't even funny anymore. I haven't liked most of them since they started, maybe racist jokes just aren't my thing or something.
K3VIN	Date: December 30, 2005 @ 10:42 PM racist jokes not really racist.. these are common facts.. the diet coke thing... i always laugh at that.. my aunt from the states always buys like a extra large diet coke everyday thinknig its good for her or something... and on juice cartons it actually says fat free
aflunky	Date: December 30, 2005 @ 11:43 PM Only in America do people treat others like assholes for trying to be funny... ...Only in Canada do people do people abbreviate one sylibol words. ...Only in America can you get married easier then get laid.
K3VIN	Date: December 30, 2005 @ 11:46 PM what words do we abbreciate i dont even know ... its probably to fit on paper
GeneHilbert	Date: December 30, 2005 @ 11:50 PM AJPresensky........hey Dickwad.... we deal with your nonsensical bullshit hourly..... So shut your fucking pie hole.
AJPresensky	Date: December 31, 2005 @ 1:20 AM Gene Hilbert I wasn't asking you a question I was actually commenting you pathelogical poser.
AJPresensky	Date: December 31, 2005 @ 1:21 AM Do you still think I'm lying about your individual group thing you have going on? Like get lost. Seriously.
GeneHilbert	Date: December 31, 2005 @ 2:33 AM I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.... and don't give a flying shit. You fill up the forums with you incoherent ramblings. Then you have the balls in insult someone’s else post that you feel is unworthy. That is just fucking rude Asswipe - plain and simple. Grow the fuck up and get a life of your own. As well - don't send any more private notes - I have no interest in your tireless rhetoric - public or private.
TameasDust	Date: December 31, 2005 @ 3:35 AM anything is new hearing it for the first time ... no matter how many times it has been said before
victorsskull	Date: December 31, 2005 @ 9:19 AM aj needs to get laid maybe he wouldnt be such an ass crack then
GreatGooglyM...	Date: December 31, 2005 @ 9:55 AM Doesn't he get laid with Hilary Duff or something...?
celtaidd	Date: December 31, 2005 @ 10:30 AM Or Hilary Muff?
evansorchid	Date: December 31, 2005 @ 11:04 AM
K3VIN	Date: December 31, 2005 @ 11:07 AM lmao@pathelogical poser.
hate9wicket	Date: December 31, 2005 @ 11:31 AM Against my better judgement, somehow I keep getting drawn into this drama, but I can't help myself, just like rubbernecking at a car crash, CAN'T STOP, MUST LOOK, HELP, I'M DOING IT AGAIN. Shit, it was fun for a while, but, GodDamn! Where the fuck is the racism? Huh? AJ, you got a right to be here, but seriously, Do you want the entire site to block you? Good luck getting anyone to listen if and when you get around to posting songs, but you my friend, have to stop flooding the forums. Stop insulting everyone, stop lying, stop having typographical diarrea. You know, I've had my beefs with Gene before, but I respect him, he is a professional, he is curteous most of the time, but he is also VERY honest. He never pulls punches, and gives very good advice. He is kind of arrogant, but he is not a poser like you.
K3VIN	Date: December 31, 2005 @ 11:35 AM he pulls punches on me
AJPresensky	Date: December 31, 2005 @ 3:02 PM Who says I'm posing?
GreatGooglyM...	Date: December 31, 2005 @ 3:34 PM Yeah, Gene is the shit man... You got light years to go to reach his level, so don't insult him.
K3VIN	Date: December 31, 2005 @ 3:41 PM only in america can u live in america
TameasDust	Date: December 31, 2005 @ 4:00 PM Gene is ... he has left and returned
AJPresensky	Date: December 31, 2005 @ 4:11 PM Look I just came on a few weeks ago when I had no idea how to use these forums and my communication was off by alot. I am extremely clear sometimes when I can be, and then again, I am not, when I am always yelled at and since people actually are trying to give me advice I'll listen to you more, but I just felt insulted because being mocked in a topic with a racist joke doesn't exactly make you look good no matter how respected you are. I thought poorly of that.
Fraser	Date: December 31, 2005 @ 4:22 PM ... Racist joke? An american joke isnt racist. Maybe prejudice, or something against nationality, but it's not racist dude. Please, don't make this another of your "I'm me" threads?! Theres already 50 of those.
TameasDust	Date: December 31, 2005 @ 4:22 PM what I don't understand is what just is racist in the topic first posted ??? handicap and braille ??? if we don't mention them we forget they exist ...
AJPresensky	Date: December 31, 2005 @ 4:28 PM I only have fourteen posts, please don't make my post count much more right then mine should be. I live in America so I just didn't know how to take this topic.
Vickxxx	Date: December 31, 2005 @ 5:23 PM Doctor, the isn't working...what should we do??
Izekial	Date: December 31, 2005 @ 9:18 PM Don't worry about it, AJ. Gene's overweight and over the hill and he has cronies sniffing around his sanctimonious robes for crumbs. Kidding, kidding. Anyway, you're just new, Presensky. New kids usually get picked on. A few people have come in and been booed out, but I think what they did wrong is they didn't drop the subject, whether they were actually right or wrong. If you're right, then just be the bigger man and drop it. They'd be the dicks if they keep antagonizing you over something that transpired a long time ago. If you're wrong, fess up to it and take your licks, then move on. If anything, you could just focus on your music, sharing songs or listening to other people's tracks. This isn't centrally a "chat" site. Well, some of the forums specifially cater to chatter and the occasional flame, but you don't have to get pumped up over it. You guys play nice, or I'll have to start beating the pack of you until I can't lift my arms.
TameasDust	Date: December 31, 2005 @ 9:27 PM I was gonna ask to be first ... but I have already been
lookin4romeo	Date: December 31, 2005 @ 11:09 PM Do you yell Racism when Jeff foxworhty says ya might be a red neck, or heres your stupid sign do you??? There is no racism or prejuidism in this topic I think that you are just lookin for somethin to whine about. Deal with it its humanitarism, maybe you dont like it cause your racist or predujist.
AJPresensky	Date: January 1, 2006 @ 11:45 AM Hey I already apologize, don't jump the gun, I got shooter. Remember, there always are some parts in Dmusic I have gotten and others i haven't. I don't feel like arguing every * time I make a **ing mistake.
TameasDust	Date: January 1, 2006 @ 11:50 AM Well this is different ...
evansorchid	Date: January 1, 2006 @ 12:08 PM Yeeeeee..Haaaa!!!!!
AJPresensky	Date: January 1, 2006 @ 1:36 PM Okay I apologize for not making a very suttle attempt at creating a topic, I was only making this for an apology for all those other stupid posts I made which weren't so great. I think I'll get better as time goes on, right now I'm working on a recording and I want my voice to have no raspyness what-so-ever, and I still haven't gotten any headphones yet, and I can't respond to comments, I can give advice on instrumental pieces though if given a piece.
AJPresensky	Date: January 1, 2006 @ 1:36 PM *creating a post
TameasDust	Date: January 1, 2006 @ 2:46 PM hey we all did it .. when we first got here ... and more recently ... but we learn from our mistakes and move on ... don't remind us and we won't remind you
sinai	Date: January 1, 2006 @ 3:29 PM yeah, cause you know, Gene's never said anything that was completely fucking stupid.
aflunky	Date: January 4, 2006 @ 1:24 PM I got Holes in my Socks!!
GeneHilbert	Date: January 4, 2006 @ 1:38 PM Well we're all in good company.
TameasDust	Date: January 4, 2006 @ 2:14 PM never ... there was a time
Alecs	Date: January 4, 2006 @ 5:52 PM Only in America can your leader destroy the country and get re-elected. God I fucking hate our brainwashed conservative majority!!!!!
aflunky	Date: January 4, 2006 @ 6:36 PM Preach it friend! (just don't dare me to do anything)
GeneHilbert	Date: January 5, 2006 @ 1:36 AM National past time..... Whining......... I don’t get my way, why doesn’t anybody listen to me? You want to know why – Harry Reid, Ted Kennedy, Howard Dean, John Kerry, Barbara Boxer, Nancy Plosie, Hilary Clinton, Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, Cynthia McKinney - idiots one and all. Those are your party’s representatives – come on man……. get a fucking clue. These people don’t give a shit about you. You want to improve the Democratic party, elect people with ideas that are problem solvers not status quo mud slinging, lying, back stabbing, fear mongering serpents.
zedsalt	Date: January 5, 2006 @ 11:32 AM A friend of mine recently suggested a new offshoot of the Democratic party, "The Notrepublicans", with a platform exclusively comprised of opposing Republican policy. While this would undoubtedly improve...well, the entire world, no question...it might also do away with something that all of the folks Gene just specifically mentioned have been giving us, something conspicuously absent from the current GOP agenda: viable, REAL WORLD improvements on the lives of the working class. Kerry's "Let's take the billions we're flushing down the Star Wars missle defense toilet and devote it to paying our fighting men and women enough that their families don't have to live off of food stamps" idea is a fine example. There was a common sense solution, couldn't fail, couldn't do harm to anything except for Reagan worshippers' feelings, but when Kerry pointed out that this would result in a net decrease in Defense spending, we ended up with a big batch of Republicans screaming (literally screaming), "He wants to cut the Defense budget in a time of WAR!!!" The so-called Baby Boomer "gap" in Social Security is another good example. As I remember, it was the Democrats who pointed out that this didn't exist prior to W's massive tax break for a tiny handful of citizens, and could be cured by taking the rates for those fortunate few back to numbers that MAKE SENSE. Much of what the Democrats have been offering: common sense, viable solutions, a true spirit of stewardship and compassion...how can a person ignore all of that? How can anyone overlook the utter contempt the Republican party has shown for the citizenry all these years? It's not that difficult, apparently. You just screw your eyes shut to everything but the ridiculously moronic, obviously deceptive soundbites the GOP feeds you. Commit those to memory and repeat them loudly without pause. If, like Gene, you're smart enough to be able to put them into your own words, all the better. This gives the illusion that these are actually your opinions and based on some sort of fact. Hey, there's always the possibility that you'll get to shake hands someday with Trump or Gates or one of the other of our wealthiest (most of whom would happily fork over more in taxes). You could actually see and touch someone whose life has improved thanks to recent Republican policy! Unlikely, but possible...
Izekial	Date: January 6, 2006 @ 5:49 AM Kerry wasn't a moron, Gene. He had experience on the field, was actually in a war. Our current President flew a jet over his home state. He (John) wanted to talk, negotiate, not declare war on another country because everyone hated him (ergo Bush) and it seemed convenient at the time since everyone was afraid after someone crashed some planes into some buildings. Kerry also actually dealt with foreign diplomacy, without rich people backing him up. Kerry wanted to give college kids breaks, focus on our education system, solve the oil problem by creating a realistic substitute for energy sources so we could tell other counties “No thanks then, I’m self assertive, I don’t need your oil.” instead of “Fuck you, let’s fight, I need your oil.” when we weren’t agreeing with them. And he was practical about it. He didn’t say we’d just instantly run everything on electricity. He talked about helping companies make the transition. He wanted to do something. He knew the greatest safety is being on good terms with as many representatives of other countries as possible, not showing everyone how fucking macho we can be. That age is over. This is a thinking man’s world now, his war, and we have a God damn lightweight in our corner. He’s campaigning a victory tour right now, appearing in selected states with selected audience members with selected members of the press with selected fucking questions and bubble gum wrapped patriotism. Problem solving? How about what Kerry wanted to do? Because I’m all for that shit. He’d have done more than either of us, sitting here at computers typing at each other. You talk about fear mongering, what about all the shit that was pumped into our brains after 9/11? Was that the Democrats? I thought it was the Republicans, since the Democrats and everyone else in the fucking country was SCARED OUT OF THEIR MINDS OF ANOTHER TERRORIST ATTACK. Everyone except anyone that wasn’t an idiot. Don’t even get me started about Katrina. I’m so tired of these stubborn, tunnel vision addles subordinates denying the startlingly obvious fact that we fucked up. Badly. Sorry I went on a tangent, but what the fuck man. If Kerry was retarded, Bush shouldn’t have the brain capacity to breathe... but lo and fucking behold, the man is breathing.
sinai	Date: January 6, 2006 @ 8:39 AM you are more likely to be struck by lightning twice than to die in a terrorist attack. and as far as problem solvers Gene, i remember Clinton lowering crime every year of his presidency, helping to put an end to the largest genocide since WWII without losing A SINGLE american soldier's life, and building the greatest economy in the history of time-all the while drilling more holes than an Exxon exec with an Alaskan land entitlement. i'm no democrat, and clinton wasn't perfect (no murderer either, you fucking idiot) but those thing in themselves are pretty goddamn impressive.
GeneHilbert	Date: January 6, 2006 @ 11:22 AM Kerry – I voted for it before I voted against it. And will say anything to anybody he thinks will agree with him. Listen to him – how can you possibly believe this guy. There is no way any rational person would ever trust anything that comes out of his mouth. You look at his voting record – he is a tax and spend Democrat. And evades paying his own taxes, talk about a hypocrite. You can defend him until your face is blue. Then there’s Edwards – a trial lawyer specializing in suing obgyn Doctors – and couldn’t even get reelected in his own state….. A great fucking pair. Katrina – how many storms has FEMA and Florida dealt with in the 5 years – quite a few. All went as well one can expect from this type of disaster. New Orleans was a different situation – the State and local Democratic controlled governments were totally unprepared, and had no evac or storm preparedness policy – the State has known for years this was eventually going to happen, it was imminent. All of La. administrations over the past 50 years have ignored the repeated warnings and past the buck. You can not lay the blame of this on FEMA or W. That is the states job and responsibility. Social Security reform – Again there is your buddies, would not even debate the issue. Blocked every attempt for rational debate, just like New Orleans they won’t address it until it blows up it their faces.…
MinisterofSc...	Date: January 6, 2006 @ 11:36 AM AJPresensky Date: December 30, 2005 @ 10:30 PM "Wow, do you know how old these jokes are? They aren't even funny anymore. I haven't liked most of them since they started, maybe racist jokes just aren't my thing or something." I agree with Jacob. Racist jokes aren't funny and you shouldn't be making them Lookin! I mean, I'm a left-handed gay black jewish midget and I just don't think any of those slurs about my background are funny!
MinisterofSc...	Date: January 6, 2006 @ 12:09 PM Gene, you seem to be pointing out how it's okay that G.W. didn't do anything to fix these things or make them better in anyway. You neglected to mention any of the shit he's done to fvck up the country. Extra taxes for POOR people is obviously the healthiest and smartest way to FIX the country, right? Then we can send thousands of soldiers over to a part of the world (not a specific country we're at war with...just the area) and "hunt down them terrorists by asking native people who the "bad people" are...because "bad people" means "terrorists who plan to destroy Americans and other people." and NOT (and could never be assumed to mean) "The guy who took your truck". The one thing I can say for George is that he's the most stupid president america's ever had.
zedsalt	Date: January 6, 2006 @ 12:10 PM "...I voted for it before I voted against it" Every legislator with at least half a heart and half a mind did and should be proud of it. All of them also recognized that quick action is almost never perfect action, and it would be INSANE to not revisit and revise the legislation. If any member of Congress is unwilling to stand in front of a camera and admit that...in grief and desperation...he/she believed the executive office's lies, how could anyone have any faith at all in anything he/she says?!? "...I voted for it before I voted against it"? You BETTER have, Senator or Rep, or you don't belong in office! And the very idea of a patients' rights advocate as V.P.! The poor little incompetent doctors and profit uber alles HMOs that have slightly smaller bank accounts just because their greed and impatience has destroyed a few young couples' chances of having a family. Don't they realize that the oval office is owned by the people that own the GOP? Silly Democrats. Again (and again and again...), where have you heard ANYBODY wanting to hold FEMA and the federal government accountable for ANYTHING that was NOT their responsibility? The only complaint I've heard about the lower levels of government is that they weren't constant and precise enough in their attempts to get the feds to live up to THEIR responsibilities both in avoiding the flood and in dealing with the results. And in anticipation of yet another "W didn't make the rain fall!" cruel joke, I should point out that I AM aware that Louisiana knew the levies were in need of repair and reinforcement. That becomes obvious when one looks at the congressional record and sees all of the instances in which the state tried desperately to get the Army Corp of Engineers crews back in to do the scheduled work. Social Security reform? Fixing it would be as easy as breaking it was.
GeneHilbert	Date: January 6, 2006 @ 12:20 PM It not W's job to fix LA levees - that is their (The State) responsibility. “patients' rights advocate” That's polite - how about an opportunist, and an ambulance chaser. Lyndon Johnson allocated the money and the Army Corp. to do the job in the '60 - It didn't get done then, I guess that W's fault also.
GeneHilbert	Date: January 6, 2006 @ 4:17 PM In reply to crime rates under Clinton Presidency 1993-2000 Source; U.S. Department of Justice • Office of Justice Programs Bureau of Justice Statistics http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/tables/viortrdtab.htm National Crime Victimization Survey Violent Crime Trends, 1973-2004 Clinton Presidency 1993-2000 – So pay attention to those years 2005 is not posted yet but according to the FBI data I saw it is .5% below 2004 According to this - his record was hardly stellar. Maybe sinai this is not a good point for debate.
Izekial	Date: January 6, 2006 @ 5:22 PM "Katrina – how many storms has FEMA and Florida dealt with in the 5 years – quite a few. All went as well one can expect from this type of disaster. New Orleans was a different situation – the State and local Democratic controlled governments were totally unprepared, and had no evac or storm preparedness policy – the State has known for years this was eventually going to happen, it was imminent. All of La. administrations over the past 50 years have ignored the repeated warnings and past the buck. You can not lay the blame of this on FEMA or W. That is the states job and responsibility." We were promised by our current administration, not the fucking Democrats, that we would be taking major steps towards preventing another huge disaster after 9/11. It was our Home Security's responsibility, and yes, they were warned. Nothing happened. I'm talking about how much more we could have helped if we didn't have so many of our troops hunkered down in a fucking desert a million miles away. The best offense is a good defense, but is that what the current people in power were practicing? No. And why the hell did you mention Florida? Katrina struck New Orleans (who could never be as prepared for something like that as Florida would be), and the storm itself was an extreme rarity. That's the only argument I'd throw out there for Bush. How many days did it take that idiot to get out there? What wonderfully pleasant things were yelled at Cheney when he visited? And it's not Bush's "direct responsibility," but it's a national crisis (my roommate talked about going out there, and he doesn't live in Louisiana. Also, Portland had shelter and food set up for this people, all over here in the Northwest, so don't sit there and say New Orleans can go fuck themselves) and that's something he should at least address directly. Why are you backing this guy? Because of numbers? You don’t sound like you’re afraid, so I can’t think of another reason. Skeletor would be a fucking better alternative. Jesus Christ. "Kerry – I voted for it before I voted against it. And will say anything to anybody he thinks will agree with him. Listen to him – how can you possibly believe this guy. There is no way any rational person would ever trust anything that comes out of his mouth. You look at his voting record – he is a tax and spend Democrat. And evades paying his own taxes, talk about a hypocrite. You can defend him until your face is blue. Then there’s Edwards – a trial lawyer specializing in suing obgyn Doctors – and couldn’t even get reelected in his own state….. A great fucking pair." Yeah, I’m sure you realize that no one’s perfect and you give them chances. I mean, fuck, you’re a Republican. Answer me this, though: If no rational person can trust Kerry, how can a rational person, after all that’s transpired, trust Bush? Cheney? Fucking Satan?
K3VIN	Date: January 7, 2006 @ 1:16 AM only in america can a harmless forum turn into a warzone hey when pearl harbour happened it was attrocious attacking that little plot of land but attacking iraq is patriotic w00t w00t every governments got problems
sinai	Date: January 7, 2006 @ 8:25 AM i think thats a perfect point to debate gene, quit looking at bullshit semantic angles and read what i actually said.
sinai	Date: January 7, 2006 @ 8:26 AM oh yeah... Greatest Economy In The History Of Time
victorsskull	Date: January 7, 2006 @ 9:32 AM
Distilled1	Date: January 7, 2006 @ 12:30 PM
lookin4romeo	Date: January 7, 2006 @ 1:26 PM I dont know how, but this forum got turned upsidedown and inside out...tell me what is racist about this topic??? Please I would sure like to know.....I see no racism or prejudism in it...is it because the of the title?? WTF??? READ THE TOPIC BEFORE JUMPING MY ASS PLEASE....JUST READ IT!!! If it affends you afterwards than maybe it should its all FACT think about it!!!!! Can a pizza get to your house faster than an ambulance. Are there handicap parking places in front of a skating rink. Do drugstores make the sick walk all the way to the back to get their prescriptions while healthy people can buy cigarettes right up front. Do people order double cheeseburgers, large fries, and then top it all off with a DIET coke because they're concerned about their weight Do banks leave the doors open and then chain the pens to the counter. Do we leave cars worth thousands of dollars in the driveway and put our useless junk in the garage. Do we use answering machines to screen calls and then have "call waiting" so we won't miss a call from someone we don't want to talk to in the first place. Do we buy hot dogs in packages of ten and buns in packages of eight. Do we use the word "Politics" to describe the process so well: "Poli" (from Latin) means "many", and "tics", meaning blood-sucking pests. Do banks have drive-up ATM machines with Braille lettering.
TameasDust	Date: January 7, 2006 @ 2:08 PM I don't either ... aj lives on being told off ... he likes it ... strange personality ... somewhere the topic went assunder ... I think they are just plain funny observations
lookin4romeo	Date: January 7, 2006 @ 2:23 PM I whole heartedly agree. :lamo: I think its funny how a few simple statements get turned into a political debate....
zedsalt	Date: January 8, 2006 @ 9:52 AM Dhooms did it!
victorsskull	Date: January 8, 2006 @ 10:57 AM
GeneHilbert	Date: January 8, 2006 @ 11:24 AM “Semantic angles” ……..? You said……. "i remember Clinton lowering crime every year of his presidency".... That is in error ……… look at the data. And my rebut stands on the data not fabrication. So I suggest instead of personally insulting me – you get your facts straight.
GeneHilbert	Date: January 8, 2006 @ 11:56 AM You know who I believe has integrity and credibility in the Democratic Party....? Three people immediately come to mind. Senators Joe Lieberman & Zell Miller and Congressman Ed Koch – they believe what they say and will speak directly to you - not at you. More of them – and less of Kerry, Daschle, Boxer type hypocrites, and your party of choice might be worthy of your passion. Which believe it or not - is very impressive – and an admirable quality. Don’t let it be manipulated. Further more, I really don't give a shit what you believe about Kerry. I don't trust or any the other shit slingers. However I will not see partisan fabrication, innuendo, and distortions go unchallenged. Bring on the debate………
K3VIN	Date: January 8, 2006 @ 1:19 PM vote green party!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
zedsalt	Date: January 9, 2006 @ 10:46 AM I've placed a few votes for "third party" candidates, those who seemed to best represent me. More recently, though, I've been avoiding such "token voting" in favor of voting for whoever I think has the best chance of beating someone who has no business holding public office. Sure, Bush, Chocola, Daniels, etc. have been voted in, but I can sleep a lot better at night knowing that I didn't inadvertently contribute to that by voting for someone who didn't have a snowball's chance. As they wreak havoc and alienate even their staunchest supporters, I get the same satisfaction that my father must feel by having voted against Nixon...maybe even moreso, as one by one, the experts come to the opinion that W makes Tricky Dick look like a choirboy.
AJPresentenseky	Date: January 9, 2006 @ 11:06 AM It's actually okay to listen to phone calls like geobe bush did because it does not say in the constitution that it is not okay to listen to phone calls. even if there were cell phones then when the constitituion was made I think they would have left that okay because we are having terrorists on cell phones in our own country talking! And we could stop that if we could listen to terrorists on cell phones talking. I don't think you should say he is a criminal he is protecting us that way.
Izekial	Date: January 9, 2006 @ 8:22 PM stabs AJ just above the knee with a #2 pencil... hard I'm not going to debate with you, Gene. You're acting like a God fearing brat. Fabrications, innuendos, distortions... just what the hell are you talking about? If you’ve done so much research, what do you believe in? What political party are you aligned with? I’m oh so fucking curious.
K3VIN	Date: January 9, 2006 @ 8:34 PM that phone call shit... i don't think their were phones during the constitution... i think the traditional following that governments rely on are leaving more people dead... the fact guns are still legal for neone non-cop army is just appalling, and eaves dropping is wrong... AJ how would u like it if we eaves dropped on ur conversations lol... you wouldnt like it... its not just protecting people... even terrorists have rights.. and its giving people who arent even terrorists lack of privacy.. idk too much abotu this issue thats just what ifeel
tooles	Date: January 9, 2006 @ 8:57 PM Exactly...we give up some of our safety in countries like America and Canada so that we can have the freedom to do things like talk honestly and openly about issues. Listening in on phone conversations might prevent me from dying in a terrorist attack, but I'd rather die than live in a police state, so I'm more than willing to take the risk.
tooles	Date: January 9, 2006 @ 9:00 PM *rather die a free man, I should clarify. And as for the original topic of discussion, those are all hilarious lookin4romeo.
hate9wicket	Date: January 9, 2006 @ 9:03 PM http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode50/usc_sup_01_50_10_36.html http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_Am4.html No AJ it is not ok, Bush broke the law Congress enacted because of Nixon's dirty tricks, no he is not protecting us. All he had to do was get a judge to sign a little stupid piece of paper, and he didn't bother. Only in America do we vote for someone to vote for us. Only in America do we continually vote in people whose primary job it is to impress enough moneybags to give to their re-election campaigns. Only in America do we fund bridges that go nowhere, then if the project gets cut, we re-introduce the pork into a must pass Military spending bill. Only in America do we impeach the most popular President we've ever had because of a blowjob and the lying of a blowjob. Only in America do we smear the reputation of Silver and Bronze Star recipients.
Izekial	Date: January 9, 2006 @ 9:10 PM I didn't stab AJ in the knee so we could bash on him. I was merely being a turd.
Distilled1	Date: January 9, 2006 @ 9:50 PM
K3VIN	Date: January 9, 2006 @ 9:58 PM yea thats like when russia kills you if they think u oppisition.. next their gonna say hey that person isnt republican... lets do something
zedsalt	Date: January 10, 2006 @ 11:03 AM "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."-Ben Franklin And on the topic of things the founding fathers couldn't have foreseen, I wonder what ol' Ben would've had to say about doing things that actually INCREASE our chances of being attacked and doing them in the name of Security?

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