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LostYears	Date: July 15, 2006 @ 2:07 AM i saw footage from his press interview after he had his talks with someone i dont know the context of the talks. he told the press that he thinks that he had discussed several major issues and that he looked forward to his dinner that evening, he thought he might have been invited to "cut the pig".... he braught up "cutting the pig" later on in his announcement too... then the fun started the press was open for questions, they asked him about the recent bombings in india, and about the worsening conditions in Iran. his reply was "i thought u were gonna ask about the pig."
K3VIN	Date: July 15, 2006 @ 2:09 AM lmao
GTOriginal	Date: July 15, 2006 @ 2:59 AM Good a place as any for a Bush-Bashing thread! I was gonna suggest a collection for an all-expens-paid hunting trip with Dick Cheney, but this will just have to do for now... Favorite Anti-Bush Slogans: If you voted for Bush, a yellow ribbon doesn't make up for it. When Clinton lied, nobody died. Pro-America = Anti-Bush And of course... http://images2.dmusic.com/users/g/t/o/gtoriginal/56290.jpg
EvilPicnic	Date: July 15, 2006 @ 8:08 AM Getting dumber?... I don't really think that's possible.
ChillinBuzz	Date: July 15, 2006 @ 8:20 AM http://www.freewebs.com/chillinbuzz/flash2.html
jack	Date: July 15, 2006 @ 8:38 AM that has to be the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life.
EvilPicnic	Date: July 15, 2006 @ 8:51 AM 'Girl...' Very clever. I love the subtle bits, like the way they nod during the guitar solo, and the passionate glances...
Distilled1	Date: July 15, 2006 @ 9:31 AM I think he's drinking again
freddemillio	Date: July 15, 2006 @ 10:33 AM Unfortunately for all his apparent simpleness, GWB and his friends are extremely intelligent. Everything they have done and continue to do is calculated to augment their wealth. Other politicians are not particularly more angelic or altruistic, but GWB et al do seem to be more vicious and avaricious.
freddemillio	Date: July 15, 2006 @ 10:49 AM btw, that video is
imemine	Date: July 15, 2006 @ 11:27 AM THAT FUCKING VIDEO ROCKS!
opiumchild	Date: July 15, 2006 @ 3:08 PM ahahah yup i was there....bastard and his pigs...i knew it all along
Fraser	Date: July 15, 2006 @ 10:47 PM he's probably an ok guy once you get to know him.
freddemillio	Date: July 16, 2006 @ 8:24 AM If you are somehow involved in the oil extraction, refining or other related downstream industries, then GWB is more than an OK guy ... he is your best friend.
GWBush	Date: July 16, 2006 @ 11:19 AM SCREW YOU ALL!!! :RANT:
GWBush	Date: July 16, 2006 @ 11:19 AM uh...
AgentMGD	Date: July 16, 2006 @ 4:53 PM dubya is a bodafide idiot!
LostYears	Date: July 16, 2006 @ 4:57 PM i seriously think that we should get an indie artist to run for president next election, have a dm backed candidate.... he would be honest intelligent and would care if he got elected because we indie artists dont to the man
hate9wicket	Date: July 19, 2006 @ 7:43 PM Oh yeah, here's a link for the serriptitious conversation he had at the G8 conference the other day, you know, when he said shit and stuff, but they didn't soundbite the best parts so... http://www.alternet.org/story/39164/ Apparently George thinks Russia is a big country. WOW.
Woof	Date: July 19, 2006 @ 10:14 PM Part of me is amused by Bush. It's like... just how much BS is one man capable of? And just when you think he's run out... WHAM! Another whopper! It's incredulous.
EmpireDay3	Date: July 19, 2006 @ 11:07 PM reading your comments here reminded me of exactly why I am conservative republican. thank you for the refresher.
sinai	Date: July 20, 2006 @ 8:35 AM your welcome, but i don't give a shit.
zedsalt	Date: July 20, 2006 @ 11:18 AM Don't you love it how the purveyors of the most ridiculously wasteful, cronyism-driven spending this country has ever seen and the most terrifyingly intrusive, draconian measures ever to be enacted here...this is the group that has taken over the term "Conservative". It's been a lot of fun watching REAL Conservatives squirm and finally come to admit that this latest batch of crooks using that label are the perfect antithesis to everything a real Conservative claims to stand for.
opiumchild	Date: July 20, 2006 @ 2:07 PM i remember when "conservative" meant caring about education and the people well ahaha i actually dont remeber but i remeber hearing about it i see nothing wrong with conservatism if used in the past day sense, but now it is much too greedy for my liking i go thorughout the days marvelling at how technologyt abounds and the poor are growing poorer...i am amazed at how such a strong nation that we were can so easily be reduced to a schoolyeard fight with a bully and a scared child, with the rest of the kids on the playground hating us... hmmm i jsut wish bush would care a little more about his actual duties as president instead of the prestige that is given with the placement but then again im jsut a silly little girl who likes to play in flowers and talk to cats.
EmpireDay3	Date: July 20, 2006 @ 7:59 PM perhaps that's exactly your problem sinai. good to see you can regurgitate liberal induced media hyped talking points zed. I wonder if you can think for yourself? so sad to see so much misinformation want to really annoy a liberal? work hard. be successful. enjoy life.
imemine	Date: July 20, 2006 @ 8:25 PM Love the vitriol! I’m curious what EXACTLY it is Eric in THIS thread that “reminds you of exactly why you’re a conservative republican”. Not much here really if you asked me. However, if you would like to start another thread on those horrible tax and spend liberals who run up huge deficits and pander to there constitutes while blowing smoke up the posterior of the masses, I’m game!
Woof	Date: July 20, 2006 @ 9:25 PM Well... let's gove the "other side" a fair shake, then. I'm open to new ideas. Mr. Empire Day 3, I'm taking it as a given that you find Mr. Bush to be intelligent, sincere, and standing at the helm of a highly successful presidency, since you are intent on arguing the point that he is not arrogant, inept, or a liar. My question to you is this: What has led you to that belief? What events in the course of the man's presidency have allowed you to arrive at the conclusion that there are undeniable benefits to having this man in charge? I mean, as opposed to having one of those lazy, ignorant, somber Democrats run the country? I'd really like to know...
cantillon	Date: July 21, 2006 @ 5:44 AM "want to really annoy a liberal? work hard. be successful. enjoy life." Of course, liberals are never happy or successful. Well, if that's what you NEED to think, then carry on thinking it. As someone from the UK I can honestly represent the opinion of almost my entire country. GWB is an idiot, but not the biggest idiot. Only a bigger idiot would vote for him twice or without question (we forgive the first vote, as the man himself said: "Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." - GWB) Ronald Reagun was also viewed as such over here, but since he died someone over there has reinvented him as the man who Defeated Communism. Which is quite frankly ludicrous - except to his repubican commi fearing fan base.
freddemillio	Date: July 21, 2006 @ 7:03 AM I agree with Zed and I am not exposed to liberal induced media hyped talking points. I get most of my news reading Le Monde which is anything but liberal. It tends to be middle of the road and if it has any leanings it is more to the right/conservative than the left/liberal. But then again it is French and so I guess that could make it (and me) pretty suspect
kingo	Date: July 21, 2006 @ 8:28 AM EVERYTHING is suspect if it doesn't agree with the viewpoint of the conservative republicans. So suspect, in fact, that it has to be bugged and monitored.
sinai	Date: July 21, 2006 @ 8:36 AM whats it say about our country when any shmuck can mail a scoop of tide to his congressman and get the entire government shut down for 16 hours? hey pal, with power comes risk; anthrax or not, get yer pussbag ass back in that building and balance the stupid fucking budget.
freddemillio	Date: July 21, 2006 @ 9:41 AM I hope GWB does bug and monitor me. He can even video tape me. I would love to subject him to videos of my fat naked a$$!
EmpireDay3	Date: July 21, 2006 @ 10:23 AM Here's some quick facts for starters. I suppose we'll go from there: On July 13th, The Office Of Management And Budget Reported The FY2005 Budget Deficit Is Projected to Be $94 Billion Less Than Forecast Last February. At $333 billion, or 2.7 percent of GDP, it would be smaller than the deficits in 15 of the last 25 years as a percentage of GDP. A Strong Economy Fueled By Tax Relief Is Generating Stronger-Than-Projected Revenues. After three straight years of declines due to economic weakness, tax receipts will have risen two consecutive years. President Bush's Pro-Growth Policies Have Resulted In Steady Job Growth And Economic Expansion. The economy has created over 3.7 million jobs since May 2003, with steady job gains for each of the last 25 months - and more Americans are working than ever before. The Unemployment Rate Fell To 5.0 Percent In June, The Lowest Since September 2001, and Lower Than the Average Rate of the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s. President Bush's overall Fiscal Year (FY) 2005 budget represents a 48% increase for elementary and secondary education since FY 2001. It includes an additional: · $1 billion in Title I funding for disadvantaged students, for a total that represents a 52% increase since FY 2001. · $138 million for reading programs, for a total that is over four times the amount spent in FY 2001. · $1 billion for special education programs, in total, an increase of 75% since FY 2001. Through the No Child Left Behind Act, these historic levels of support are combined with an unprecedented commitment to achieving high standards and accountability to ensure that America's schools are producing real results for every child in America. And the new law has already begun to make a difference for students, teachers and administrators across the United States. Since No Child Left Behind (NCLB) was signed into law, all states have a plan in place to ensure that all students become proficient at reading and math and that achievement gaps are closed between students of different socio-economic backgrounds. States, districts, and schools are using their unique accountability plans to measure the progress of student achievement, report student and school progress to parents, identify for improvement those schools not making adequate yearly progress, provide support for the improvement of schools and districts, and provide options - including public school choice and tutoring - for children in underperforming schools. When President Bush entered office in January 2001, only 11 states were in full compliance with previous Federal education accountability standards. On June 10, 2003, President Bush announced that all 50 states have approved accountability plans under NCLB. Reading First and Early Reading First: President Bush proposed and signed into law the Reading First and Early Reading First initiatives as part of his unequivocal commitment to ensuring that every child can read by the third grade. These programs enable more children to receive scientifically-based reading instruction programs in the early grades. All 50 States and the District of Columbia have approved Reading First plans to ensure that every child is reading on grade level by the end of the third grade. As of October 1, 2003, $1.78 billion in Reading First funds have been distributed to the states that have provided training to tens of thousands of teachers and provided instructional materials. In addition, since the passage of No Child Left Behind, states have received almost $200 million in funds for early childhood reading efforts through such initiatives as Early Reading First and the Early Childhood Educator Professional Development program. Extensive technical assistance has been made available to states, districts, and schools as they develop and implement their Reading First programs. The Department of Education recently awarded a $36.8 million contract to establish the National Center for Reading First Technical Assistance to provide ongoing, high-quality technical assistance to states, districts and schools by the country's leading experts in the implementation of scientifically-based reading instruction. Using tutoring money provided under NCLB, parents can select from the over 1600 supplemental service providers approved by the states. With this option, parents, for the first time can find a program that is focused, rigorous, and directed at the specific needs of their child. To expand the options available to parents, more than $1.7 billion per year has been made accessible to faith- and community-based organizations through NCLB, enabling these groups to receive grants and to provide quality supplemental educational services. Faith- and community-based providers can participate in the 21st Century Community Learning Centers after school program, the Title I-Supplemental Educational Services program that provides extra academic help for disadvantaged students, the Early Reading First program, and physical education programs. Under NCLB, states and school districts publish report cards showing how well students in each socio-economic sub-group are achieving so communities and parents can know how well their schools are doing. The Institute of Education Sciences reflects the intent of the President and Congress to advance the field of education research, making it more rigorous in support of evidence-based education and therefore a critical component to the success of No Child Left Behind. Additionally, in September 2003, President Bush with Secretary Paige announced the School Information Partnership, a unique public-private partnership designed to assist states in meeting the letter and the spirit of NCLB as it relates to educational data reporting. Through the financial support of the Broad Foundation and the Department of Education, states have been given the opportunity, at no cost for the next two years, to report and analyze certain data through an easy-to-use web-based service. Further, the Partnership will enable states and their districts to communicate educational data to parents, educators, and the general public, consistent with the requirements of NCLB, while providing policymakers with better information to improve decision-making. No Child Left Behind has made significant new resources available to states and local school districts, but some states and school districts have not been able to take full advantage of these resources. According to the Department of Education, as of December 11, 2003, a total of nearly $6 billion in Federal education funds remained unspent, waiting to be drawn down by state officials. These funds are from amounts appropriated in 2000 through 2002. The total includes nearly $2 billion in No Child Left Behind Title I funds intended to benefit disadvantaged children across America. The total also includes more than $1.6 billion in unspent No Child Left Behind school improvement funds that provide extra help to struggling schools, and nearly $2 billion to assist children with disabilities. Some of the money has been in the account since fiscal year 2000, more than a year before No Child Left Behind was even enacted. In Tennessee alone, more than $116 million in Federal education funds have not been spent, including nearly $43 million in No Child Left Behind Title I funding for disadvantaged students and schools that was provided by Congress from fiscal year 2000 through fiscal year 2002. The total also includes more than $33 million in unspent No Child Left Behind school improvement funds that are meant to be used to provide extra help to schools, and more than $30 million to assist children with disabilities. The FY 2006 Budget Deficit Is Now Expected To Be $296 Billion, 30 Percent Lower Than The Previous Estimate Of $423 Billion, And Only 2.3% Of Gross Domestic Product (GDP). (Andrew Taylor, "Budget Deficit Drops To $296 Billion Under New White House Estimates," The Associated Press, 7/11/06; Office Of Communications, The White House, Fact Sheet, 7/11/06) · The FY 2005 Federal Deficit Was $318.3 Billion, Or 2.6% Of GDP. (Paul Blustein, "Smaller Budget Deficit Projected," The Washington Post, 7/11/06; Andrew Taylor, "Budget Deficit Drops Below Last Year's Record," The Associated Press, 10/14/05) · The FY 2004 Federal Deficit Was $412.7 Billion, Or 3.6% Of GDP. (Paul Blustein, "Smaller Budget Deficit Projected," The Washington Post, 7/11/06) Dan Mitchell, The Heritage Foundation: "[The] tax cuts of 2003 are working exactly as we would have expected ... Lower taxes on work, saving and investment leads to more work, saving and investment. It's not exactly rocket science." (Paul Blustein, "Smaller Budget Deficit Projected," The Washington Post, 7/11/06) The Washington Post: "Whatever the source of increased revenue, the numbers to be released today bolster predictions that Bush would meet his goal of cutting by half the 2004 deficit of $412.7 billion by the time he leaves office." (Paul Blustein, "Smaller Budget Deficit Projected," The Washington Post, 7/11/06) · "Projections Now Show The Deficit Will Fall To $188 Billion In 2008, Or 1.3 Percent Of GDP, Surpassing President Bush's Original Goal Of Cutting The Deficit In Half By FY2009 From Its FY2004 Projected Peak Of $521 Billion, Or 4.5 Percent Of GDP." (Office Of Communications, The White House, Fact Sheet, 7/11/06) DEMOCRAT SPENDING PLANS WOULD HAVE BALLOONED DEFICITS AND COST AMERICAN TAXPAYERS FACT: Senate Democrats Sought To Add Nearly $2.3 Trillion To Last Five Budgets: Since 2001, Senate Democrats Have Pushed 70 Spending Amendments To Five Budgets That Would Have Cost Nearly $2.3 Trillion. (Congressional Quarterly Website, www.cq.com, Accessed 7/11/06) · This Extra Federal Spending Would Have Cost Each American Family $30,500. (U.S. Census Bureau Website, www.factfinder.census.gov, Accessed 7/11/06) Each Of These 70 Democrat Amendments Were Rejected By Republicans In The Full Senate. (Congressional Quarterly Website, www.cq.com, Accessed 7/11/06) · The $2.3 Trillion In Spending Doesn't Include Budget Amendments That Didn't Come Up For A Vote Or Other Democrat Spending Proposals. (Congressional Quarterly Website, www.cq.com, Accessed 7/11/06) · In 2002, When Democrats Controlled The Senate They Did Not Even Pass A Budget. (David Baumann, "Nickles Gets A 'Pain In The Neck,'" The National Journal, 11/23/02) The Full Senate Rejected Nearly $572 Billion In Democrat Spending During 2001 (FY 2002) Budget Debate. ($311 Billion: Baucus Amdt., H. Con. Res. 83, CQ Vote #66; $97 Billion: Johnson Amdt., H. Con. Res. 83, CQ Vote #68; $100 Billion: Landrieu Amdt., H. Con. Res. 83, CQ Vote #71; $13.7 Billion: Stabenow Amdt., H. Con. Res. 83, CQ Vote #73; $50 Billion: Corzine Amdt., H. Con. Res. 83, CQ Vote #77) The Full Senate Rejected Nearly $1.3 Trillion In Democrat Spending During 2003 (FY 2004) Budget Debate. ($8.9 Billion: Murray Amdt., S. Con. Res. 23, CQ Vote #60; $219 Billion: Graham Amdt., S. Con. Res. 23, CQ Vote #63; $88 Billion: Schumer Amdt., S. Con. Res. 23, CQ Vote #65; $103.5 Billion: Lautenberg Amdt., S. Con. Res. 23, CQ Vote #68; $73 Billion: Conrad Amdt., S. Con. Res. 23, CQ Vote #70; $3.5 Billion: Clinton Amdt., S. Con. Res. 23, CQ Vote #73; $1 Billion: Dorgan Amdt., S. Con. Res. 23, CQ Vote #74; $1 Billion: Biden Amdt., S. Con. Res. 23, CQ Vote #78; $20.3 Billion: Lincoln Amdt., S. Con. Res. 23, CQ Vote #81; $358 Billion: Conrad Amdt., S. Con. Res. 23, CQ Vote #83; $16.3 Billion: Kennedy Amdt., S. Con. Res. 23, CQ Vote #85; $42 Billion: Dodd Amdt., S. Con. Res. 23, CQ Vote #86; $2.9 Billion: Daschle Amdt., S. Con. Res. 23, CQ Vote #87; $3 Billion: Leahy Amdt., S. Con. Res. 23, CQ Vote #88; $25 Billion: Harkin Amdt., S. Con. Res. 23, CQ Vote #89; $9.1 Billion: Bingaman Amdt., S. Con. Res. 23, CQ Vote #90; $17.5 Billion: Dodd Amdt., S. Con. Res. 23, CQ Vote #91; $4.55 Billion: Clinton Amdt., S. Con. Res. 23, CQ Vote #92; $12.4 Billion: Corzine Amdt., S. Con. Res. 23, CQ Vote #96; $15.6 Billion: Lautenberg Amdt., S. Con. Res. 23, CQ Vote #97; $3.6 Billion: Clinton Amdt., S. Con. Res. 23, CQ Vote #98; $24 Billion: Harkin Amdt., S. Con. Res. 23, CQ Vote #99; $229 Billion: Dayton Amdt., S. Con. Res. 23, CQ Vote #103; $800 Million: Kerry Amdt., S. Con. Res. 23, CQ Vote #104) The Full Senate Rejected More Than $140 Billion In Democrat Spending During 2004 (FY 2005) Budget Debate. ($2.7 Billion: Daschle Amdt., S. Con. Res. 95, CQ Vote #34; $8.6 Billion: Murray Amdt., S. Con. Res. 95, CQ Vote #35; $1.8 Billion: Nelson Amdt., S. Con. Res. 95, CQ Vote #40; $1.4 Billion: Sarbanes Amdt., S. Con. Res. 95, CQ Vote #42; $1.1 Billion: Dorgan Amdt., S. Con. Res. 95, CQ Vote #44; $8.3 Billion: Lautenberg Amdt., S. Con. Res. 95, CQ Vote #45; $30.5 Billion: Harkin Amdt., S. Con. Res. 95, CQ Vote #46; $60 Billion: Lincoln Amdt., S. Con. Res. 95, CQ Vote #47; $11.2 Billion: Byrd Amdt., S. Con. Res. 95, CQ Vote #48; $6.8 Billion: Lieberman Amdt., S. Con. Res. 95, CQ Vote #50; $4.9 Billion: Kennedy Amdt., S. Con. Res. 95, CQ Vote #51; $3.4 Billion: Daschle Amdt., S. Con. Res. 95, CQ Vote #52; $1 Billion: Dodd Amdt., S. Con. Res. 95, CQ Vote #53) The Full Senate Rejected More Than $110 Billion In Democrat Spending During 2005 (FY 2006) Budget Debate. ($4.75 Billion: Bingaman Amdt., S. Con. Res. 18, CQ Vote #45; $1.6 Billion: Stabenow Amdt., S. Con. Res. 18, CQ Vote #50; $1.04 Billion: Byrd Amdt., S. Con. Res. 18, CQ Vote #51; $2.8 Billion: Akaka Amdt., S. Con. Res. 18, CQ Vote #55; $7.46 Billion: Harkin Amdt., S. Con. Res. 18, CQ Vote #61; $1.9 Billion: Sarbanes Amdt., S. Con. Res. 18, CQ Vote #65; $2.8 Billion: Baucus Amdt., S. Con. Res. 18, CQ Vote #69; $1 Billion: Biden Amdt., S. Con. Res. 18, CQ Vote #70; $13.8 Billion: Byrd Amdt., S. Con. Res. 18, CQ Vote #71; $1.036 Billion: Clinton Amdt., S. Con. Res. 18, CQ Vote #75; $3.2 Billion: Dorgan Amdt., S. Con. Res. 18, CQ Vote #78; $71.3 Billio n: Dayton Amdt., S. Con. Res. 18, CQ Vote #79) The Full Senate Rejected More Than $150 Billion In Democrat Spending During 2006 (FY 2007) Budget Debate. ($6.3 Billion: Kennedy Amdt., S. Con. Res. 83, CQ Vote #39; $1.5 Billion: Akaka Amdt., S. Con. Res. 83, CQ Vote #41; $4.05 Billion: Bingaman Amdt., S. Con. Res. 83, CQ Vote #42; $1 Billion: Murray Amdt., S. Con. Res. 83, CQ Vote #43; $5 Billion: Stabenow Amdt., S. Con. Res. 83, CQ Vote #45; $965 Million: Menendez Amdt., S. Con. Res. 83, CQ Vote #47; $1.45 Billion: Byrd Amdt., S. Con. Res. 83, CQ Vote #51; $5 Billion: Conrad Amdt., S. Con. Res. 83, CQ Vote #55; $8 Billion: Lieberman Amdt., S. Con. Res. 83, CQ Vote #59; $2.9 Billion: Sarbanes Amdt., S. Con. Res. 83, CQ Vote #60; $1 Billion: Dorgan Amdt., S. Con. Res. 83, CQ Vote #61; $104 Billion: Stabenow Amdt., S. Con. Res. 83, CQ Vote # 63; $3 Billion: Akaka Amdt., S. Con. Res. 83, CQ Vote #64; $2 Billion: Lincoln Amdt., S. Con. Res. 83, CQ Vote #66; $735 Million: Kerry Amdt., S. Con. Res. 83, CQ Vote #67; $750 Million: Boxer Amdt., S. Con. Res. 83, CQ Vote #69)
sinai	Date: July 21, 2006 @ 10:44 AM facts? from the Heritage Foundation? Yeah, and i can get my tires rotated at Der Weinerschnitzel. i care not for politics in this country anymore, though i can't wait to see what a President "Masturbation can get you pregnant" Frist led country is gonna be like. it'll be a riot.
kingo	Date: July 21, 2006 @ 10:57 AM This is awesome lets trade completely unbiased talking points from the heart of the deepest part of the completely unbiased organizations formed entirely to promote entirely unbiased agendas. In fact, I am unsatisfied with my current level of representation within the confines of domestic foreign policy. Perhaps I am being embettered by the innocuous oversight being provided to me at the low rate of whatever it costs of my conversations and overall activity. My self has never felt more inflated. DMusic is be cost == CQ Vote #12, $1.3 trillion; GQ cover number 82 Billion Rejected spendings $3.5 million trillions, Senator Amway Constantfuckery = $4, R Idablow; Skatejivemothereffer - 56.2 hundreds thousand dollar; Big Mac with Extra Ice - $1 on the dollar menus; Cheese for Taxes - Hotdamni'mrichnow; Interest rate budget for rejecting somebody's ass budget before previously - $23 and a cents. In fact I can fit more inhereifI don'thardlyevenuse spacesbetween mywordssoit's gottaberight if youjustcramit allinherelikethis and starttalkingabout bigfuckingnumbers: Hamtrucksampo $5.4billion: eatmyshorts; $3.
zedsalt	Date: July 21, 2006 @ 11:00 AM SO many EXCELLENT examples of why one should gather and evaluate information for one's self, rather than rely on what is spoonfed the public... Now, I realize that ED3 isn't likely to even consider doing this, but for any American "on the fence" about how they should vote next Fall, I urge you to look at how each of the figures ED3 cited was arrived at and decide how much trust you have in those who gathered and evaluated the information. The statistics are far from perfect, but assume for a moment that they are, and see if their interpretation of the numbers seems...well, see for yourself. I don't expect anyone to go through the entire list, necessarily, but at least start, see how far down the list you make it before...well, again, I don't want to influence your opinion. I'd like the truth to influence your opinion, and I'd like you to vote accordingly. Please and thank you.
freddemillio	Date: July 21, 2006 @ 11:02 AM
sinai	Date: July 21, 2006 @ 11:04 AM Bill Frist y'all... Bill Fucking Frist. ireally can't wait
zedsalt	Date: July 21, 2006 @ 11:11 AM Here's an example to get you started: my personal definition of "an employed person" is one human being who is currently receiving compensation for something he or she is doing. It seems like a simple definition to me; I find the credibility of other definitions questionable; and I have difficulty trusting people who want me to believe that it ISN'T an accurate definition.
Intergalacti...	Date: July 21, 2006 @ 11:26 AM really. there are many american's here.... how did he get into power who of the american country would vote for this blob of stupidity?
freddemillio	Date: July 21, 2006 @ 11:31 AM Who would vote for GWB? Anyone who's personal wealth is tied to the crude oil value chain.
freddemillio	Date: July 21, 2006 @ 11:34 AM The above crude oil prices are in adjusted dollars, which is why the current price is not at 70+ USD/bbl
zedsalt	Date: July 21, 2006 @ 11:45 AM Y'know, IGWH, a little less than half of us did the first time, a little more than half of us did the second, and why, exactly, is an excellent question. A few great books have been written on the subject of the Big Lie referred to as "Cultural Conservatism" (referred to as such by the "Liberal media" which has all but canonized Reagan and is still trying to demonize Clinton), but for my tastes, it doesn't really "cover it". I'm tempted to say, "Never underestimate the power of willful ignorance", but even that doesn't suffice. The amount of effort expended in ignoring NeoConservatism's miserable failure to...well, achieve anything positive outside a great re-election record...really is astounding, but the bigger question, to my mind, is why would anyone WANT to appear as a NeoConservative? There's the heartless visage of the uber wealthy supporter and the slack-jawed, empty-eyed face of the willing victim...I fail to see the appeal.
BloodFairy	Date: July 21, 2006 @ 11:53 AM I still find it amusing that people on either side of this debate are always convinced the other is reading to or absorbing "biased media", or repeating what is "spoonfed" to them. All we've really shown is that we're all biased and well fed. It doesn't matter what you read or see or know anymore. the other side is just going to say you're repeating a biased opinion from a biased source. Even when someone points out something that is accepted by both politacal sides to be fact, you little internet master-debaters are going to question it's authenticity to support your view. but please go ahead and claim all your opinions are the real facts, and the real facts are just part of an agenda. It's cute, and it's fun to see you all get so steamed up.
kingo	Date: July 21, 2006 @ 12:27 PM It's funner to see people post on a thread just so they can put down everyone who previously posted on that thread in an attempt to express the fact they're above all of that.
BloodFairy	Date: July 21, 2006 @ 12:46 PM Aww---did I hurtums feelin's? I never said I was above it. I admit I'm as biased and spoonfed as the rest, and obviously not above posting in this type of thread. but thanks for proving my point Kingo. you cared more about defending yourself and the others than you did about what I actually said. ooh, ooh, do it again!
EmpireDay3	Date: July 21, 2006 @ 12:53 PM Bloodfairy - you are my hero. That is the most well stated obvious point of this whole thread. In fact, I could type for days and days but being one of the few (if not the only) GW supporter on dmusic, I'd probably just be labeled a liar and insulted beyond belief. You're absolutely right - I'd basically be beating my head against a wall. Thank you for that moment of clarity. To that end, I have better things to do than this kind of crap and I should have known better than to get sucked in by the liberal rhetoric. My bad. But, at the end of the day, we can all still enjoy an icy cold one.
SimonWaldram	Date: July 21, 2006 @ 1:00 PM Anyway, getting back to what the thread originally asked, here's a video for you: http://www.buzzhumor.com/videos/1698/Bush_Ten_Years_Ago
Distilled1	Date: July 21, 2006 @ 1:14 PM ^ see hes back drinking again, and man he pours a mean
kingo	Date: July 21, 2006 @ 1:27 PM did I hurtums feelin's Yes. You're on my shitlist now. I hate you so bad I'm shaking. I can barely type on the keys for the trembling. I'm having a spontaneous nosebleed. I would've commented on what you "actually said" except that I had already made the same point in my own previous post.
imemine	Date: July 21, 2006 @ 1:35 PM Stop the presses fellas! Who was it that started the personal attacks here? Not on GW that is but rather on other users. Love the spin Eric! Typical really, and FYI---I believe that you’re in some pretty good company around here. Both Gene and Apertome are conservatives. Both good people IMHO. Guess you’ll never know where I stand though. It’s all or nothing for most “drank the Kool-Aid” conservatives. We might actual agree on some issues once we get beyond your support of the current administration. There we’ll have to agree to disagree because we’re not likely to changes each other’s opinion.
kingo	Date: July 21, 2006 @ 1:40 PM
LostYears	Date: July 21, 2006 @ 3:48 PM hate to say it but imemine is right, we arent going to convince anyone who doesnt agree with the anti-bush, and while a few defensive bush supports are striking out against what we say, we are still in fact the ones saying it. i am more guilty than the rest i started the thread but i figured it would just be a funny little bush bashing thread that lasted a few days. no one here should start any attacks or get pissed at anyone else over the topic of politics... but we can all still laugh about the context in which the media shows bush, or how he shows himself, even if u agree with what bush is saying u have to think that his speaches and how the media edits them is kind of funny. hell u can make fun of some liberals if u want just keep the mood light: "if you get angry count to ten, if really angry, curse." -Mark Twain
Intergalacti...	Date: July 21, 2006 @ 7:33 PM Sorry zed but for those (like me) who don't fully understand the political system in America or some of the lingo your using could you dumb it down slightly? Clinton was surely better?
hate9wicket	Date: July 21, 2006 @ 7:45 PM If it makes any difference, there were plenty of policies that Clinton supported that I disagreed with, and there were plenty of instances where I was slightly embarrassed he was my President, but I would be curious to see how someone else would have handled the past 6 years and his name wouldn't have been Gore. For the record Democrat Liberal...Republican Conservative I would say for the past 15 years the President has been more of a Republicrat or a Democan who has not been afraid to push the Corporate Party Line as far as it can go... In my imagination I wonder how GWB and Co. would have handled Kosovo, Somalia, Haiti, The Dot Com Burst, The Budget Shutdown, A Blowjob controversy, NAFTA. Branch Davidians, Oklahoma City... The other side, I wonder how Gore would have handled 9/11, Afghanistan, Peak Oil, Iraq ( mostly here I wonder if I should even bother wondering), lost pension funds, Social Security, Medicare, Outsourcing. Then I realize the founding fathers didn't want a strong executive, OR a strong judicial, OR a strong representative body. We are beginning to see the Federal Gov. atrophy into this comical farce of what it should be... It SHOULD be: Disagree w/everything and finding the route to compromise. It now IS: Look like we are working hard but never really look at the freaking Bill we're voting on, which is 3,000 pages long and written like a software manual. Say the right thing at the right time, attend that fund raiser, get re-elected, push that pork for your district that gets you more coffers for your next campaign, ad nauseum. The sad thing is: we vote for these fuckers who say the same thing over and over again, and we get fooled over and over and over. I can't remember the last time, or even if there was a time I WAS ACTUALLY EXCITED about a politician...It might have been Bob Kerry, the night he won his first Senate Campaign, singing Waltzing Matilda during his Celebration Speech, but I only got to vote for him once, in the primary for President. Bush ain't 1/32 the Man Bob Kerry is, and Cosmic Bob don't even have both legs
Fraser	Date: July 21, 2006 @ 8:12 PM I think we shouldnt get stuck up with the tiny print in laws. We have thousands and thousands of laws saying the same thing the ten commandments said.
imemine	Date: July 21, 2006 @ 10:06 PM Oh Shoulda woulda coulda! What if we where just two chromosomes off? What if we had 12 fingers instead of 10? I agree with some of what you said there 9wicket but trying to speculate categorical historical events---man. THAT’S a totally different subject. What if George Washington was born a woman? What if the Beatles had stayed together? I too liked Bob Kerry---and I usually don’t like Nebraskans. I really need to address that litany of Heritage Foundation propaganda up there from Eric but I’m way too tired right now---but here’s a preview. No Child Left Behind Act: Under funded program of smoke and mirrors by shifting around dollars---there is no more money given to education---in fact it’s substantially less. 75% increase my ass----the money was removed from other education programs. Ask a teacher how well it works---I know over 100 of them! This is like telling a homeless man that he must drive a Lexus and not giving him a means to purchase it! Unemployment Rate Fell-- Steady Job Growth And Economic Expansion. HELL YEA! AT FREAKING WAL-MART----so come on you proud folks and strap on your Blue vest---open wide for your lobotomy---- forget about health insurance and work for the company store! You honestly call that a living wage? How many jobs were “created” by this administration that a hard working American could earn a living wage? Where’s THAT statistic Eric? The Deficit----I think Fredde’s chart speaks very clearly to that. I guess that if you buy that crap up there you were truly “no child left behind”! For Gods sake man---( and no, Republicans don’t own God too) I honestly don’t understand how people don’t see this? I am absolutely befuddled!
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