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LostYears	Date: October 11, 2006 @ 12:05 PM im watching bush's press conferance and i cant help but notice how oblivious he is. its either his way or the wrong way, he uses these ultimadums and no longer is he the aggressive guy that he used to be. after all that he said pre-iraq, and what he did there. now we need a president that is willing to go in and demolish a dictator and he too much of a pussy to do it now. and the way he refers to jammes baker is downright disrespectful, callin him jimmy. this pisses me off because he keeps saying all these things but when it comes down to it he does do what he says. if u listen to his speeckes and what hes saying i will admit that i think he has a lot of good ideas the problem is that the only things that he seems to actually do are things that promote his own personal agenda. and he talks about leaving iraq being a threat to natiional security but its as tho he doesnt understand that the threat from iraq was caused by his ignorant attitudes and refusal to listen to the people who are writing his dialog ( lucky that means he is also ignoring carl rove ). i dont have anything against him aside from his inabilty to take the blame and listen to his counsel. he says things that make sense ( not on the surface u have to ignore his poor vernacular and muddled thought processes, and only rarely as i see it ) but when it comes to putting it into practice he doesnt act with reason. and saying that he is a moderate is downright offensive, he speaks as though the only fanatics are the muslim fanatics... this is the same guy that says that he ( and i will paraphrase here ) that the nation is going thru a third great awakening. need i remind all of u what has happened in the last two? i would appreciate any constructive feedback and debate, but please dont just come and say either i am a dumbass or he is a dumbass, ( although im sure there are convincing arguments for each ).
HalloweenBat...	Date: October 11, 2006 @ 10:52 PM iraq isnt half the threat north kroea is now.. or was 5 years ago
HalloweenBat...	Date: October 11, 2006 @ 10:53 PM wasnt* korea
imemine	Date: October 11, 2006 @ 11:39 PM ---I just love a good debate!
ChillinBuzz	Date: October 12, 2006 @ 12:09 AM Gotta love the maths... Drag one dictator to justice, get 655000 dead Iraqis included Sorry, who was the terrorist?
EchoMinor	Date: October 12, 2006 @ 12:58 AM i always wonder why we have to be the world police...now for north korea wanting to test nukes that i understand us possibly butting in. but for everything else, im sorry we will never have world peace. we should have never bothered with iraq, we have our own problems to deal with in our own country.
independentm...	Date: October 12, 2006 @ 1:05 AM North Korea doesn't have any oil to exploit. Bush/Cheney/Rove and the NeoCons thus don't want anything to do with that problem. (No $$$ in it for them.) Same with Rawanda and Darfur and etc.
EchoMinor	Date: October 12, 2006 @ 1:24 AM ok well i doubt they are going to let them threaten us with nukes so i dont think it is about money in that regard. the whole damn world is pretty much oposed to NK with their behaviour. its not a money issue when a small country with a crazy dictator decides to set off a nuke...
BaBiKoLeAn	Date: October 12, 2006 @ 7:13 AM On 12th Oct 2009, independentmusician said: North Korea doesn't have any oil to exploit. just thought i'd give the korean perspective on the situation... while you're right, noko does NOT have oil to exploit, it is a land that is rich in natural resources and raw materials... even moreso than south korea. unfortunately (though quite possibly reluctantly), bush and his oligarchic companions will eventually have to take action against the north. why? remember, korea is a peninsula. and at the lower half of the peninsula still exists a prosperous, free, democratic nation... south korea! with the appointment of moon, bang ki as secretary general of the united nations, it will reflect poorly upon the un and especially the us if we do not intervene. bush's approval rating is already at a threateningly low 12%. if he does not disarm noko, where there is actually proof of weapons of mass destruction, there will be public outrage. i was actually in south korea this summer when the first test was conducted on july 4, 2006. though there was not a great deal of concern at that time, it was because the south korean people truly believed that the north would not turn against them. now, due to the north's erratic isolationist behavior and the unpredictability of psychotic despot kim jeong il, no one is sure of what is going to happen. my 3 older sisters still happen to be in korea. i was supposed to visit in january, but the current political situation has made travel too dangerous... ultimately, i feel that... we need to take action against north korea. in this instance, invading the north would not be a pointless war based off of assumptions. but before any of this happens, i would just like to get my family the hell out of the country.
LostYears	Date: October 12, 2006 @ 9:05 AM well just learning from past, the us wont intervien in the middle of winter... bush already invaded iraq in the summer ( warm season in a desert ) and weve been to nk before and the winter killed us. we werent as advanced the but it still comes down to us having people on the ground in an unfriendly and cold environment. at least i hope bush wont, of course hes already shown that he isnt concerned much by small things like american casualties.
aflunky	Date: October 12, 2006 @ 10:40 AM I just can't wait until we get a more competent Govt. The only downside to that is the daily show will suffer cuz they wouldn't have much to make fun of anymore...
PrincessTast...	Date: October 12, 2006 @ 11:09 AM
Fraser	Date: October 12, 2006 @ 12:58 PM Yah... How on Earth would a different president fix everything???
ChillinBuzz	Date: October 12, 2006 @ 4:34 PM Picture this: a country being starved by sanctions develops a nuke. Think how many countries out there would like to purchase what they have managed to achieve, if North Korea was squeezed to the point of collapse, who knows where their nuclear "bomb" may end up... Iran?
LostYears	Date: October 12, 2006 @ 5:27 PM nah... iran buy theirs from russia. russia has many bombs... not sure where they all are tho.
BOWILLIE	Date: October 12, 2006 @ 7:00 PM and putting in my two cents. the bush administration..having for whatever reasons good for some bad for others..has put the usa in a tight position for here nearing the midterm elections..with the democrats in the best position ever to regain the dominant seats in the senate..so will democrats.. have the balls or ability to continue what bush has started? it just seems alot of times problematic issues have a way of changing with administation change. but do we want change of direction now..knowing that any letting up of positions of government could very well just spiral bad situations into an even worst situation. i apose the wars..but regardless we are in them.and cutting and running from iraq is not a option. was done in vietnam..and is still a sore spot in the american pride. korea has been a problem since our parents were young.. being protected by china.. but even now those ties are waning. so ultimately is is up to the asian neighbors to rein in this cat..ultimately without starving the north korean populace any more than has been done.i predict a second korean war..being the last one was a cease fire not a truce. bushs stance on multilateral talks is correct..so damned if we do and damned if we dont. personally im not pro republican or pro democrate..but am pro american..and will wave my flag regardless of the outcome.
TameasDust	Date: October 12, 2006 @ 9:00 PM you lost me at "bush" is this religious or political
BOWILLIE	Date: October 12, 2006 @ 9:11 PM politigious. blame it on canada
plungerboy	Date: October 13, 2006 @ 3:21 AM I'd love to see bush and mbeki in a battle of wits !
joycedavis	Date: September 28, 2007 @ 12:53 PM over 400,000 murdered and 2.5 million displaced (raped, missing, captives, refugees in camps where the government funded militia's even bomb out the aid so refugees die of starvation, lack of medication, dehydration...just another way to cleanse the black darfurians from the black arab darfurians from the sudan (darfur)...we promised to go in there and be peacekeepers, to block china's involvement in funding the militias (i.e. THEY buy their oil from the sudan when darfur is) china will hold the 2008 olympics, one world one dream....right. how about all the crap they're causing in korea? thing is, america can't even control the gangs in la, ny or boston---tons of cities owned, just like the insurgents own iraq. SAVE DARFUR...we can't turn our backs on genocide. get out of iraq don't keep messing around in djabooti (bet y'all didn't know we were in a conflick there, huh? we're all over the place. ---jd
joycedavis	Date: September 28, 2007 @ 12:55 PM don't get me going. i'm like a bad, run-on sentence.

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