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GTOriginal	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 2:52 PM OK I'm no fan of Don Imus, think he's a jerk and never really tuned in to his spew, BUT... I am a great big fan of earlier versions of the United States Constitution, you know pre-Bush-Administration... Imus getting fired over some politically incorrect thing he said is a new and blatant example of the dismantling of the constiution and the removal of basic liberties from everyone... Just aint what it used to be...
PrincessTast...	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 2:54 PM Still... you can't just go around bashing people :banghead
kingo	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 3:24 PM I disagree with the logic, Gary, but I do think it's ridiculous that he got fired over that. The reason I disagree with the logic is that MSNBC and CBS are businesses (or parts of larger corporations) and so can censor their employees in any way they see fit. So it's not a free speech violation, to my eyes - he's free to say what he said all he wants. What I don't like, I really don't like, is the fact that he got fired for doing what he's always done and always been paid to do. Those two companies should have the balls to stick behind him; the sponsors would come back, I think. Or other sponsors. And, Princess, why CAN'T you go around bashing people?
K3VIN	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 3:28 PM Umm... MSNBC is a serious place not a comedy central. It can fire anyone it wants if it gives it bad reputation. Not to mention people are quick to throw out that cheap free speech arguement... you seem to forget what free speech actually means.
K3VIN	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 3:30 PM freedom of speech doesnt mean people arent gonna be angry at what you say, and if it infringes and hurts other people.. punishment should ensue.
shadowself	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 3:35 PM On 13th Apr 2012, GTOriginal said: Imus getting fired over some politically incorrect thing he said is a new and blatant example of the dismantling of the constiution and the removal of basic liberties from everyone... Politically incorrect? Dude, it was flat out RACIST. He has rules set by his employer that he has to follow, he broke them, he suffered the consequences. Allowing this to continue with no consequences would show that the network is totally insensitive to racism.
GTOriginal	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 3:47 PM Racist? A bit of a stretch considering the basketball team in question is of mixed ethnicity. We can thank Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson for pulling out the "race" card at first opportunity. The worst pair of racists in the whole damn story... I agree with the "business" aspect - they have the right to fire whomever they choose (depending on their contract verbiage) BUT - Freedom of speech actually means what it is - Freedom of Speech. Nothing more, nothing less. It is not "conditional" freedom of speech, and deferring to the US Constitution is not "throwing out an argument" either. There is NO middle ground on this constitutional guarantee. By that logic, we would need to ban ALL communication because there's always some EMO BITCH waiting to get offended by pretty much everything. BTW, listen to any "gangsta rap" lately??? Hmmm??? Nothing racist or hurtful in them lyrics I guess...
Mojosnake	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 3:54 PM i'm a nappy headed ho gary and well when snoop dog talks about me i'm not offended ...but imus on the other hand well whats under his hat ? sorry to hijack this thread...back to the debate...
shadowself	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 3:58 PM Racist. Do you honestly think a shock jock was not being racist by saying "nappy-headed hos"? Come on. If he was not being racist, it would be surprising - check out his record: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_controversial_Don_Imus_quotes_on_women_and_minorities I avoid gangsta rap, somewhat because of its content, but mostly because it's not music - I don't want to waste my time listening to some stolen repeating drum beats with "poetry" about bitch-slapping hos and killing cops. But whatever floats your boat. Gangsta rap is played on networks that allow that kind of shit. Regardless of who he offended, he obviously broke the rules of his employer. He was fired.
GTOriginal	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 4:19 PM Well my friend, you just made an interesting point - this idiot has a long standing history of off color remarks (no pun intended) BUT the networks have always rewarded him handsomely for it, haven't they? Soon as the hate team of Sharpton/Jackson get involved they did a 360 and fired his ass, not over racism which is a well known part of his "thing" (thanks for pointing that out). He was fired over controversy. Far as his "breaking network rules" goes - I never read his contract, you may be right, but you may be wrong as well. Still defending Imus the Anus is not my intent with this post, it is simply to point out the fact that free speech is under attack in America. Another example is the "Bong Hits For Jesus" dude. Can't wait for the SS to kick my door in for having an opinion others may construe as racist, like the time I slipped on the ice and told people I could actually see my "knee grow".
K3VIN	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 4:23 PM On 13th Apr 2012, GTOriginal said: BTW, listen to any "gangsta rap" lately??? Hmmm??? Nothing racist or hurtful in them lyrics I guess... there isnt anything racist... harmful maybe? Its teh radio stations choice if they want to play it.. much like MSNBC's choice...
shadowself	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 4:27 PM There isn't anything racist in gangsta rap??????? That's like saying there is nothing about satan in death metal.
GTOriginal	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 4:27 PM Nothing RACIST?!? OH BOY! http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gangsta+rap Happy reading. I made my point. God Bless What America Once Was and Can Be Again.
shadowself	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 4:31 PM On 13th Apr 2012, GTOriginal said: Nothing RACIST?!? OH BOY! At least K3V's interjection brought some major guffaws into this thread.
AbortiveMind	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 4:32 PM lol, K3V and Shababy are both Canadian sorry I couldn't resist
K3VIN	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 4:34 PM umm... since when was urbandictionary.com a reliable source? Also people may stereotype people or certain races from the musics lyrics.. but that doesn't mean its true. The lyrics themselves aren't saying... oh all black people are criminals or anything. I don't listen to a lot of it. But I'm pretty sure the lyrics themselves are not racist it's the views people express after the song.
AbortiveMind	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 4:37 PM Whooo, let's heat this shizza up and baptizise this to "Let's argue about who's got the best opinion about rap" Thread Yo!
K3VIN	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 4:39 PM Do you know the definition of Hip Hop? It's not just music. It's a sub-culture.
shadowself	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 4:39 PM Racist does not mean against blacks in particular, K3VIN! Can you honestly say that the phrases "cracker" and "white devil" have NEVER appeared in a gansgta rap song?
AbortiveMind	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 4:41 PM Cracker? Is that a reference to white people? So am I a cracker too? Does that mean I'm on crack?
GTOriginal	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 4:44 PM BORTY! It means you CRACK ME UP One final question: Do You Make Racist Remarks In The Shower?? Come on fess up...
shadowself	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 4:45 PM "Cracker" is a term referring to white people, probably derived from whites being those who would crack the whip in times of slavery. Gangsta rap is crawling with racism, misogyny, and racial stereotypes.
AbortiveMind	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 4:49 PM Aaaaahhh I see ... kinda What about whipped cream? Cream is white and what if whipped refered to the black people being whipped in times of slavery, does that make the word a harmonious one?
shadowself	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 4:53 PM OK, I think my head just asploded.
AbortiveMind	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 4:55 PM KABOOOOOM Like the Casio keyboard
K3VIN	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 4:57 PM I don't think white devil has appeared in gangsta rap.. they are usually about hoes, guns and shit now. You know gangsta rap has a bad rep now cause of the new crap.. thats what the media calls it.. back in the day the actual rappers called it reality rap.. to express what they really saw.. and personally I hardly call saying the word cracker as terrible as saying the n word. It has less horrible meaning.
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 5:01 PM oh no, not another thread descending into the muddy waters of racism!
shadowself	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 5:02 PM It's still racist, and your claim is that there is NO racism in gangsta rap, which is the most laughable thing I have read this week. "I'm seeing bloody bodies on the motherfucking rug. . . . white boys. . . . white bitches. . . . I'm known for putting devils on they motherfucking back; blast through the front door. . . . blaow; now the nine had no motherfucking mercy. . . . bow down or, motherfucker, you can die when we start robbing. . . . fucking Jews. . . . make you want to get your brick and snatch his ass up out the car. . . . fuck that devil"; "Record Label Murder"; Paris, Unleashed, 1998, Unleashed Records, Whirling Records.
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 5:04 PM The n word? What, Neanderthal? Naked? Noodle?
AbortiveMind	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 5:04 PM muddy waters of racism !!! You're calling racism black? Ima tell ya momma !!!" id="264356">Hmmm, K3V, would you agree with me that it's partially what youngesters get to see on the telly that influences their acts, therefor creates even more violence and there explains the increase of "explicit lyrics" as I prefer to call them? OMG Chillinbuzz™, you said something racist !!! The muddy waters of racism !!! You're calling racism black? Ima tell ya momma !!!
shadowself	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 5:04 PM Kill the white people; we gonna make them hurt; kill the white people; but buy my record first; ha, ha, ha"; "Kill d'White People"; --Apache, Apache Ain't Shit, 1993, Tommy Boy Music, Time Warner, USA.
shadowself	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 5:04 PM "Niggas in the church say: kill whitey all night long. . . the white man is the devil. . . . the CRIPS and Bloods are soldiers I'm recruiting with no dispute; drive-by shooting on this white genetic mutant. . . . let's go and kill some rednecks. . . . Menace Clan ain't afraid. . . . I got the .380; the homies think I'm crazy because I shot a white baby; I said; I said; I said: kill whitey all night long. . . . a nigga dumping on your white ass; fuck this rap shit, nigga, I'm gonna blast. . . . I beat a white boy to the motherfucking ground"; "Kill Whitey"; --Menace Clan, Da Hood, 1995, Rap-A-Lot Records, Noo Trybe Records, subsidiaries of what was called Thorn EMI and now is called The EMI Group, United Kingdom.
shadowself	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 5:05 PM "These devils make me sick; I love to fill them full of holes; kill them all in the daytime, broad motherfucking daylight; 12 o'clock, grab the Glock; why wait for night"; "Sweatin Bullets"; -- Brand Nubian, Everything Is Everything, 1994, Elektra Entertainment, Warner Communications, Time Warner, USA.
AbortiveMind	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 5:07 PM Whooooo Yay, let's collect Gangste Rap Lyrics !! Yo BTW, shababy, I'm still waiting for you to start 2 threads
shadowself	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 5:07 PM I am proving my point, Borty. Gangsta rap is incredibly racist, and it is very ignorant to claim otherwise.
AbortiveMind	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 5:09 PM Did I said the contrary?
AbortiveMind	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 5:10 PM Oops, did + infintive *Did I say the contrary
shadowself	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 5:12 PM No, K3VIN is saying that gangsta rap is not racist, and that 'white devil' is not used. I decided to do the research, because he obviously didn't.
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 5:12 PM NWA? Go get yourself Public Enemy's "Fear Of A Black Planet" too. Great artists, I have to say though... but some of the lyrics...
AbortiveMind	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 5:15 PM Some The title says it all
Mojosnake	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 5:20 PM kill all the white people round up the white devils and send them back home... the nappy headed ho...
shadowself	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 5:21 PM Wow, Mojo! There should be a little disc next to your name!
AbortiveMind	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 5:23 PM Why a little one? Are you being discriminating towards Mojo? Why can't he have a big one? Mojo should get a big one !!! End of story
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 5:23 PM how many bloody times must it be said on the forums over the years... some people find words offensive. i find cracker deeply offensive, regardless of its' origins, so someone saying it means less to them - that's their opinion only. next we'll have 20 pages on why nigga is not the same.
Mojosnake	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 5:24 PM i agree with alot of whats being said here there is definetly racism on both sides of the fence just like the war on terror is basicly a racist religous fight the goes the trhead
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 5:26 PM actually, please don't. it might revive the idiot rappers who blight the place.
AbortiveMind	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 5:29 PM This is a community with several ethnicies, several religions and yadda yadda, and yet, even between two individuals of the same "whatever", there can be differences when it comes to opinions. Starting a thread like this, is just asking for reaction ... raising controversial issues. How fun has DM come !!! Let's Argue and stream less, whooohooo
shadowself	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 5:31 PM On 13th Apr 2012, ChillinBuzz said: so someone saying it means less to them - that's their opinion only. Bingo. Just because some people are not offended by a particular racist term does not invalidate it as a racist term.
Mojosnake	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 5:31 PM thanks 'borty i got this vw symbol i wear around my neck i think that'll do
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 5:32 PM good point, Borty! when these kinds of threads blast off, the server gets a break
AbortiveMind	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 5:37 PM ** THREAD LOCKED ** You can no further post here.
Mojosnake	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 5:39 PM nappy headed ho fat tire blows wiggin on my moles get down in the hole bangin white ho's
AbortiveMind	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 5:41 PM Urgh ... well at least I tried
shadowself	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 5:41 PM On 13th Apr 2012, AbortiveMind said: This is a community with several ethnicies, several religions and yadda yadda, and yet, even between two individuals of the same "whatever", there can be differences when it comes to opinions. Starting a thread like this, is just asking for reaction ... raising controversial issues. How fun has DM come !!! Let's Argue and stream less, whooohooo Actually, I enjoy discussions. This thread has not devolved to the point where people are just insulting each other - we've kept it fairly civil though there are definitely some differences of opinion. I enjoy a good discussion, and talking about controversial issues. Keeps the brain exercised. If threads are going to be locked just because of controversy, I won't be around here too much longer. I already left a forum this week because of heavy-handed moderation. If you want to be spoon-fed gumdrops and rainbows all day, there's always disney.com.
Mojosnake	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 5:42 PM
Mojosnake	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 5:43 PM those rolling is for 'borty
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 5:43 PM omg, I just found out Mojosnake is black there goes the neighbourhood.
AbortiveMind	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 5:47 PM I know Shababy, I just LOOOOVVEEE Disney Honestly I'm a big fan
Mojosnake	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 5:47 PM
AbortiveMind	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 5:47 PM BTW, if you watch the little Mermaid, during the wedding scene, on the background, you can see how one of the captains is jumping one of the maidens But the sexual connotations are not the only reason why I love it
Mojosnake	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 5:49 PM hey kill that white mermaid devil ho !!!!!!
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 5:50 PM Sex scenes in The Little Mermaid too! This is oh, so wrong... and far be it from me to say but if going off topic was akin to getting lost on a roadtrip, then the DMusic bus just ended up at the North Pole.
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 5:52 PM Oh no. North Pole. Ice and snow. White. Bad Chris. Jesse Jackson's coming to kick your ass!
shadowself	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 6:02 PM ass mule drug mule cocaine heroin snow snow... white... OH NO!!!
Mojosnake	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 6:03 PM yeah kill that cracker ho too !!!!!!
AbortiveMind	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 6:05 PM You'd better not be insulting Snow White or someone's gonna kick your asses !!!
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 6:09 PM sniff snort mmmmuuuuuhhhh... whachasay?
Mojosnake	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 6:10 PM hey buzz whats that boulder hanging out your nose
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 6:22 PM That's yo momma, bitch
Distilled1	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 6:44 PM "you gota eat all the old people...put 'em in the oven, Kill eat the old people..show them that you love them, you gota eat all the old people...put the bread around 'em ... eat all the old people..."
GTOriginal	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 8:10 PM Black people need to think of more offensive names for whites to offset the dreaded "N" word that rhymes with Bigger and Trigger. Somebody calls me a "cracker" and I get hungry and hit the soup. Somebody calls me a "honkey" and I go home and watch old reruns of The Jeffersons. None of these words bugs me at all, maybe cause I'm a halfbreed Iroquois really. Now if you will excuse me I'm gonna go back to being drunk and lazy. PS - I hereby decree that White People are now allowed to use those very same words on each other, as long as they spell it differently, ie: Cracka or Honkeee.
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 8:29 PM Steady, Gary... use of the word "think" might be misconstrued as some insult to Mr. Jackson's intelligence besides, why think up an equally insulting remark when you can just sue or shoot them?
Mojosnake	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 9:42 PM gay you halfbreed craka you ....
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 9:44 PM gay??? Mojo you illiterate pickle sucking spotty faced tosspot
GTOriginal	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 9:56 PM 4 letters in my name and everyone keeps leaving out the R. Hmmmm... Cracka? Now I'm hungry for some SOUP Let's EAT http://gtoriginal.dmusic.com/music/comments/339467
GeneHilbert	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 11:01 PM It's like this – double standards exist. If you are white you are a racist, be your comments humor, bad taste or opinion. If you are Black, Muslim or Latin American you can accuse, libel, inflame, label, insinuate and intimidate with virtual impunity.
Mojosnake	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 11:04 PM very true gene i agree completely but gay's still a craka and i'm a sucking spotty faced tosspot nappy headed ho kill whitey!!!!!
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 11:22 PM
NickSawyer	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 11:24 PM
Opossum	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 11:24 PM
Mojosnake	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 11:26 PM trapped in a nest of honkers!!! double kill whitety!!!!!!!!!!
GTOriginal	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 11:27 PM Yeah sure ignore my it's the order of the day. Ho's.
sinai	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 11:27 PM well it wasn't like imus was funny or anything anyway...
NickSawyer	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 11:28 PM On 13th Apr 2012, Opossum said: Holly crap
GeneHilbert	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 11:52 PM Damn.....! I loved that comic book as a kid.
K3VIN	Date: April 13, 2007 @ 11:58 PM Most of the songs you listned I have never heard.. so I wouldnt call it a mainstream influence... the most heard music is not racist... now N.W.A. and Public Enemy I know of. Public Enemy is not Gangsta Rap though. IT's Political. N.W.A. Had little support from the radio station until they released songs with less explitic lyrics.. and anything violent can influence kids.. that's why u dont let them see it or hear it. Thats a whole different issue. The norm of gangsta rap music does not contain racism.. as in the popular.. maybe a few derogatory words. if there is a KKK rapper that no one knows about I'm not gonna say all white rappers are racist.
shadowself	Date: April 14, 2007 @ 1:11 AM On 13th Apr 2012, K3VIN said: The norm of gangsta rap music does not contain racism.. as in the popular.. maybe a few derogatory words. You're right, K3V. How could I be so blind? Gangsta rappers show nothing but the utmost respect for their nigga hos, and cap whitey's ass in the nicest of possible ways. Upstanding young men, surely.
GTOriginal	Date: April 14, 2007 @ 7:09 AM On 13th Apr 2012, K3VIN said: The norm of gangsta rap music does not contain racism.. as in the popular.. maybe a few derogatory words. Ahhh, so a "few derogatory words" are OK then? Like the very title of this thread for example. I see how it is. Yes indeed.
frodo73	Date: April 14, 2007 @ 7:30 AM gay you still a halfbreed craka
GTOriginal	Date: April 14, 2007 @ 9:07 AM Me scalpum 1/2 frodo, hangum other 1/2. Me then bogart Peace Pipe.
K3VIN	Date: April 14, 2007 @ 9:44 AM if i shot and killed a black person.. it wouldnt make me a racist.. it would make me a murderer..
PrincessTast...	Date: April 14, 2007 @ 10:02 AM All I meant was if you can't insult people for no reason, and expect to have absolutely no consequenses. I didn't expect him to get shut down entirely (mostly because he's been doing this sort of thing like forever) but maybe I'm wrong? What was the context of the comment?
K3VIN	Date: April 14, 2007 @ 10:05 AM Al Sharpton is a fruit bag though.
PrincessTast...	Date: April 14, 2007 @ 10:09 AM Maybe so, but he has as much a right to speak his mind as Imus-face does. And if you go around bashing people, you gotta expect them to bash back.
PrincessTast...	Date: April 14, 2007 @ 10:11 AM And for the record I don't like either of them.
perkie1973	Date: April 14, 2007 @ 10:15 AM WOW the DMusic reality show!!!
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 14, 2007 @ 10:16 AM shhh take a seat and have some popcorn, Perkie
perkie1973	Date: April 14, 2007 @ 10:21 AM who will get voted off?....oooo that's the wrong show....ok eating my popcorn
PrincessTast...	Date: April 14, 2007 @ 10:23 AM See, we should be more like popcorn. Salty, crunchy, and addictive? Wait a minute... opcorn:
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 14, 2007 @ 10:27 AM i can think of a few addictive things... but they aren't salty or crunchy (at least, not the things i am thinking of) change the channel!
PrincessTast...	Date: April 14, 2007 @ 10:29 AM Study says: TV more addictive than heroin is this true?
GTOriginal	Date: April 14, 2007 @ 10:29 AM Welcome to the UFC! (Ultimate Forum Championship) Brought to you by Tide with Bleach, to get your clothes their whitest...
shadowself	Date: April 14, 2007 @ 10:31 AM On 14th Apr 2012, K3VIN said: if i shot and killed a black person.. it wouldnt make me a racist.. it would make me a murderer.. OK - so if you wrote a rap song in which you repeated over and over "kill da niggas, kill da niggas" - the murderous tone just cancels out the racism? Jeez, K3V - learn to accept a loss.

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