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Drugs... Where to draw the line.

ChillinBuzz	Date: April 25, 2007 @ 12:17 AM Addicts turn Lemsip into 'crystal meth' Addicts are turning flu drugs like Lemsip and Benylin into the lethal street narcotic crystal meth, the government has revealed. Health Minister Caroline Flint said police were increasingly anxious that pseudoephedrine and ephedrine - found in many decongestants - can be extracted "relatively easily" and used to make methylamphetamine. She warned of "very serious" consequences if methylamphetamine - known as crystal meth or "ice" - secured a hold in the UK. And she added that "most" of the conditions needed for it to do so were already in place. Methylamphetamine was reclassified by the Home Office last January as a Class A drug. A highly-addictive stimulant which affects the central nervous system, it can cause serious physical and psychological harm. When smoked in its crystalline form it produces effects similar to, but longer-lasting than, "crack cocaine". Evidence suggests chronic use can lead to psychosis, including paranoia and violent behaviour. Ms Flint explained in a Commons written answer tonight: "Although the prevalence of misuse of methylamphetamine is believed to be currently low in the UK, the Association of Chief Police Officers are receiving increasing levels of intelligence about the prevalence of methylamphetamine. She added: "If methylamphetamine did secure a hold in the UK, the consequences would undoubtedly be very serious. Alrighty! The house owner has like 20 packets of this stuff (Lemsip) in the medicine cupboard... No wonder he's a ratty sod half the time! Watch the funny looks I get tomorrow when I go buy 40 more packets from the local pharmacy store. But anyway, if legal drugs carry the components for illegal drugs, how the f*ck did they become legal in the first place?
evansorchid	Date: April 25, 2007 @ 12:25 AM I should've paid closer attention in Chemistry class....
Opossum	Date: April 25, 2007 @ 12:53 AM When it comes to volatile combinations, I'm clueless.
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 25, 2007 @ 1:35 AM So am I... that's why I'm divorced now
ShadowMom	Date: April 25, 2007 @ 8:19 AM When I try to buy Sudafed now, I have to fill out a form, which includes my name, address, drivers license #, and my signature. For one box! They call it a Battle Form. Cute, huh? How many addicts do you think they stop this way? And lots of drugs are "legal" if prescribed by a physician-- morphine, for one-- but you can't buy it OTC. In small doses, and for a short period of time, they're wonder drugs. But there are always people who will overdo it. And they make the rest of us fill out Battle Forms to clear our stuffy noses.
zedsalt	Date: April 25, 2007 @ 11:20 AM I gotta figure there's a reason why ephedra-based and ephedra-analog products used to comprise over 90% of the decongestant aisle (for the record, I was looking for something, anything, there that would NOT keep me awake. I wanted to be able to breathe and sleep at the same time). The thing that honks me off is people going to jail for buying illegal AMOUNTS or illegal COMBINATIONS of PERFECTLY LEGAL products. Every week, the newspaper has someone else in it arrested for buying, say, two sizes of lithium battery and a book of matches, or two kinds of cold medicine and a rechargeable flashlight. It'd be bad enough if such a purchase was merely good enough for a search warrant, but around here, they usually don't even bother searching for any sort of lab. Hell no, that would suck up some of that sweet meth-precursor-scofflaw money!
blacklieder	Date: April 25, 2007 @ 11:37 AM ChillinBuzz: On 25th Apr 2009, ChillinBuzz said: But anyway, if legal drugs carry the components for illegal drugs, how the f*ck did they become legal in the first place? It's because they originally didn't think people would be so desperate for a high that they would turn their kitchens into meth labs. One of the major causes of forest fires in California is from accidents in meth labs sequestered in the woods. In this current environment, stockpiling ephedra-based products is not a good idea. Ice is cheaper and easier to manufacture than crack. evansorchid, you don't even have to be good at chemistry to do it. Granted, you have to be careful, or you'll blow your house up. But since it's illegal, it is inadvisable to do it all. :yingyang:
K3VIN	Date: April 25, 2007 @ 12:49 PM crystal meth is crazyness... i read somewhere that like 150 dollars worth of chemicals to make the crystal meth cocktail concoction can make up to $10,000 worth. Doesnt really cover the cost of a burnt down house or limb though.
AdNauseam	Date: April 25, 2007 @ 3:03 PM Or a ruined/ended life, I might add...
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 25, 2007 @ 4:02 PM no but i figure if i buy enough Lemsip packets and convert them in the back garden, i might make enough to pay for the dmusic servers
LiQuidMetamo...	Date: April 25, 2007 @ 5:44 PM Zammo says 'Just Say No' In Canada , they now keep any products with pseudoephedrine behind the counter. Ephedrine was banned a long time ago as it was being used in diet pills and killing people. You need something like 500 packets of pesudoephedrine to make a tiny amount of end product, this is why most meth cookers don't go out to hundreds or pharmacies, they just arrange to 'knock off' a few delivery trucks or the pharmacies themselves. Meth is a serious problem in North America, far more prevalent than crack and heroin etc.
imemine	Date: April 25, 2007 @ 5:53 PM On the mirror?
GTOriginal	Date: April 25, 2007 @ 6:31 PM Darryl Strawberry was here.
Distilled1	Date: April 25, 2007 @ 7:27 PM ^^ imemine but the sad thing is "true" Meth is not made with ephedrines or pseudos, it is made with true amphetamines something that became rare in the late 80's.. this stuff is 100 times worse than the original Military recipes/ German and US from WWII. Due to the chemicals used to :cook: it bathtub.. . but I digress/... meth is fucking really bad ... want know the cold hard truth ask me privately.
Saint	Date: April 25, 2007 @ 10:11 PM ^^
zedsalt	Date: April 26, 2007 @ 10:10 AM It really is nasty stuff, which makes me wonder all the more why so much of the fuss is so recent. I've been told that as far back as the '30s, it was tough to find a meth-free manufacturing workplace around here. Our local electric service provider's publication might provide a clue. A while back, they listed "a strong interest in personal rights and/or knowledge of the U.S Constitution" as one of the signs someone might be a meth addict.
Veracohr	Date: April 26, 2007 @ 10:15 PM Geez Chill, you guys are kind of behind the times over there if they're only figuring that out now.
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 27, 2007 @ 2:03 AM I guess they are but that's the British media for you. Tomorrow they'll probably be telling us about some new evil phase with cannabis and tin foil, plastic bottles and bags...
dafendabenda	Date: June 7, 2007 @ 8:10 PM so legal drugs are illegal
ShadowMom	Date: June 7, 2007 @ 8:19 PM Here, they are controlled-- meaning you can't buy them without certain restrictions. Try buying some Sudafed these days. It's kept under lock and key, and you have to show your drivers license to buy it. As a decongestant, it's my favorite... but sometimes, the nightmare of trying to buy it isn't worth it.

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