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Should I Stay Or Should I Go?

leedsquietman	Date: April 23, 2008 @ 12:35 PM Come on and let me know ! Should I cool it or should I blow? My subscription is up for renewal and I am really not convinced yet as to if I should shell out more cash - I pay money for my personal website which has huge storage capacity and I don;t feel I can afford to keep that and keep my subs here at Dmusic, especially as the site is just so SLOOOOOW. I mean honestly, I come here at all times and often see NO-ONE online, or just the odd stalwart like RH or Shadowmom. No one is listening to my music here, no one is downloading - maybe my music is sht, well if so it was sht before December 2007 and plenty of people were streaming and downloading back then. My buddy list of over 30 people compiled over 2 years has only 3 people who visit here semi regularly and a couple of once a blue moon stragglers, the rest are gone. I love this site, but when it comes down to it, I want more from my life than reading daily about chicken buggery - no offence ! So to reiterate the words of Mick Jones and Joe Strummer - Should I Stay Or Should I Go.
hantu	Date: April 23, 2008 @ 12:50 PM Go. If you're that unhappy with it all i would say end your subscription, i did. Do stick around though, things may get better. You can always go Sub again in the future.
imemine	Date: April 23, 2008 @ 1:03 PM Correct me if Iâ€™m wrong but: Did you just call RH and Shadowmom â€œ Old Stalwartsâ€? â€¦.and me a â€œBluemoon Stragglerâ€? â€¦.and what do you have against â€œchicken buggeryâ€? JK I agree with Sham. Larry----take heed my friend, the empire is crumbling.
leflaw	Date: April 23, 2008 @ 1:06 PM OK. I guess I should close it down or sell it, huh?
leedsquietman	Date: April 23, 2008 @ 1:20 PM Larry, you are a stand up guy and citizen. I really respect what you have put into it, I do. And I'm not encouraging others to leave, I want them to stay but I do feel torn right now I am not a rich man and as much as I want Dmusic to survive and prosper, and will probably continue to stop by as as a non-sub, I feel very depressed about things here right now. I'll sleep on it. Maybe I'll feel differently soon, but the spark really seems to have gone for me right now. Hopefully something can change soon that convinces me to keep on keeping on.
imemine	Date: April 23, 2008 @ 1:20 PM Your call babe!
ShadowMom	Date: April 23, 2008 @ 2:14 PM He didn't call us "old" -- he called us "odd" .... I'll have to think about THAT and decide whether or not to be offended. And I'm hoping you stay, leeds... but I think it will get better.
Distilled1	Date: April 23, 2008 @ 2:16 PM food for thought... I am un-employed I sub here pay for 3 web sites to host + the yearly bi yearly registrations... heck one of them is because of here good ol gothnights.com your right it does seem slow but in my 6 years 5 years well around there anyway, I have seen this before (not the server crash) but the traffic die; (or what seems like it anyway) people are here and they are joining and listeners and artist alike check the stats on ALEXIA (sic) Martin I have been a sub since day 1 or 2 of the sub. service, I even thought of hosting here, but alas I have to good a deal with the host I am at . and I did win a year twice of free subscription, how? by one time bringing the most new accounts. I forgot the other reason. but I digress, heres my thought. stay, and if you can manage a quarter year please do, I know the site needs it to help keep moving forward towards bigger and better goals. There are things (I think anyway) in the works to make this site so much more than it is today or ever was! we (and I say we as I feel a part of the site as much as Larry is, funny hu? we all do I believe, this is home this is our place to come and share and explore and collaborate, to chat, get silly, share our tribulations ,trials and news...) all have to remember this is a "grass roots" site theres no big advertising dollars, no main stream media spin, but there is a buzz, and it comes from each and everyone of us. I know this is long and not answering your question. And I am in a good state of mind (I think ) but heres something to help even if you go non sub. ( no bullets post a link to your page and the dmusic sign up page at the top of EVERY page you have, myspace, soundclick, last FM, garage band , mp3.au, mp3.com, your web site, your friends web site. every email (unless its a company e-mail ( I got in trouble for that LOL ) add a link in your sig. heres mine : great indie music site all genres all free all legal!!! Rich, Empire Day Music for YOU visit me at DMusic each has a clicable link dmusic.com, the band page and my page. and this on any blog or forum you ever goto even one time! as a sig. spread the word, now as a DJ here I do this daily with artist I want to play I ask them to please come and join up and push the FREE and better than any other for free, of course I have no way of knowing they do but its that effort I hope that helps. talk to friends from here that have disapeard, many are out there still at other sites. find them and bring them back! ( I know will be easier if there is something really good happening. just Ideas with any site if "WE" are not promoting it and ourselves there wont be any site. Something really great happened Monday Night in Philly, DMusic sponsored an incredible concert and was on hand passing out CDs and stickers, buttons etc. what else can we do? Upload OUR best and make sure we arent uploading crap unless we really only can make crap and no Martin you have GREAT music not Crap! its up to US the artist and users to make this site what it can be, so we need to get off our butts and do it, its not up to Larry, Larry and Tracy and ShadowMom and RH and the ERM and lqm is it? ... I say no its up to us! bottom line its your call, I believe as long as you allow it you will have a home here sub or not, and as well please keep the music coming I need stuff to play
imemine	Date: April 23, 2008 @ 3:11 PM Damn Distilled! You expect us to read all that? Baby steps.
Distilled1	Date: April 23, 2008 @ 3:12 PM yes read it damn you!!!!
ShadowMom	Date: April 23, 2008 @ 3:14 PM ...or you don't get any milk and cookies!
imemine	Date: April 23, 2008 @ 3:17 PM Okay---* crawls into a corner drooling for cookies and milk*
Distilled1	Date: April 23, 2008 @ 3:18 PM ... and :milk: for Imemine
ShadowMom	Date: April 23, 2008 @ 3:20 PM Service with a smile... that's DMusic!
imemine	Date: April 23, 2008 @ 3:22 PM Damn! still haven't read distilled litany
ShadowMom	Date: April 23, 2008 @ 3:25 PM And the milk and cookies? Watch that turn
BOWILLIE	Date: April 23, 2008 @ 3:27 PM stalewart do you have one hair sticking out of it?
ShadowMom	Date: April 23, 2008 @ 3:30 PM Okay! He said "odd" and "stalwart" now you guys are going to make me in a minute!
GTOriginal	Date: April 23, 2008 @ 4:13 PM When I first came here in 2004 the site was supportive and interested in retaining members, so I got hooked on it. Before that I strummed a guitar on the street. Now thanks to DM I'm learning to record/mix stuff and picked up three additional instruments as well. So although my 2 cents are only worth a penny on this site, I give them here anyway: The beginning of the end had nothing to do with technical issues, redesigns etc - it was more of a communitywide attitude shift. Giveashit went flying out the window. People (not "artists" not "listeners" but the people they are) began to get discouraged. Suddenly boom here's the redesign. Remember how many people took off when that happened? IMHO the redesign was a handy excuse to abandon ship for many DMers who were gonna do it anyway. The attitude was pretty much Dont-Let-The-Exit-Door-Hit-Your-Ass (which did not help the situation one bit). Throughout all this, I paid and paid because I loved the site - even though many members began to dislike me for reasons of their own - I imagine it's because I don't know when to shut up, like NOW for example. Oh well, tough titty... The point is, I kept on laying out the green even though it caused a hardship, because the music was getting support from a dwindling handful of people like myself who gave a crap about it. I only cancelled my subscription when the tech problems affected my music, and help desk tickets got wiped without a response (Shadow Mom was the one person who cared enough to even acknowledge these things at all). I suffered a bunch of undeserved personal attacks from certain people here too, but that didn't affect my sub decision much... if anything it strengthened my resolve to not run away. The only real suggestions I have is not to worry about video editors, superduper features and the like, until the core site gets fixed - you know, the clocks and the radio stations, help desk etc. If the site worked on a base level I would lay down the paper once again. For those who understand the distinction, DM should become a community again instead of a handful of website accounts. Flame me for this post or stand on your head, makes no difference to me, I done had my say.
GTOriginal	Date: April 23, 2008 @ 4:13 PM I tried to preview ^ that and it got posted. Case in point.
Israfel	Date: April 23, 2008 @ 4:27 PM Oddly enough GT, I agree with you. When I joined DM there was a healthy amount of fun and tomfoolery but the music and the indie spirit was the key. I don't want anyone to get pissed when I say this...I am not pissed about it either...but feel it needs to be said...I find there is a lack of follow through with almost everything here. I noted months ago about joining the "street team" and I have yet to receive a single item that the team is supposed to get. I started the interviews thinking that it might help boost the music profile of the site but soon found I was being bombarded notes and gradually the same 5 or 6 people were the only ones reading them. I resubscribed in spite of the site not working right. I have not yet been able to upload a single song. The kicker was a note I got a couple of weeks ago about a help desk ticket I sent. It was for an issue that I was experiencing at the time of the redesign - almost a full year ago! Shadowmom, distilled1 and RH have been so great in keeping the music alive here while the site is ill. I still come here and probably will continue to come here in the hopes that this site will once again become the to-go place for indie artists and those listeners who appreciate finding new music. I like the people here and like interacting with them, so I am here. But, honestly, for a site that has so much potential to really take indie music AND the spirit of community to whole new levels, it is just disappointing that no one else seems to see it! I did really consider not renewing my sub the last time it ended. Partly because for the last two months of that subscription, nothing worked and I really wasn't getting what I paid for. But I did renew...and here I am. Still hoping...
GeneHilbert	Date: April 23, 2008 @ 8:26 PM Got-damn..... pithy we ain't..... It you have to ask..... Stay..... or Go..... I hope this helped.
KitRumble	Date: April 24, 2008 @ 1:04 AM Hang in there Martin ! I imagine that its a natural process of slowly rebuilding the popularity of the site which is out of the control of anyone in particular. Your very much a part of the rebuilding process and a wonderful supporter of all artists not to mention a wealth of tech info ...needless to say it would be a great shame to see you go. Hang in there as a non sub if you like and you can always sub again in the future...I dont want to look at my alien poster and say.."I used to know that guy"
TameasDust	Date: April 24, 2008 @ 2:20 AM On 23rd Apr 2008, leedsquietman said: I love this site, but when it comes down to it, I want more from my life than reading daily about chicken buggery - no offence ! There ain't nothing wrong with chicken buggery I stay for the community but I ain't gonna beg anyone to stay ... its your choice. We know you will return ... all of our prodical sons and daughters have returned ... we are patient. And if Moam wants to spread his jeans in chicken style that is his choice too
zedsalt	Date: April 24, 2008 @ 4:06 AM When I think "stalwart", I think of a really long, protracted effort. As great as her efforts have been, I still refer to ShadowMom as one of the "new" admins. Then again, I still think of myself as basically "new" here. If the site's current difficulties had been going on at the time I joined, I wouldn't think that leaving now would really be "giving it a chance", as it's been less than five years. Subscribing's another matter entirely. When potential advertisers see that subscribers aren't "subjected to" advertising, that's GOT to hurt the bottom line. Posting music, directing people to the site, providing informed advice/opinions here in the forums...LQM, you're doing everything that unquestionably benefits DMusic. I'd REALLY like you to keep doing so, but if the time invested:listens ratio is just too low for you at the moment, I understand.
zedsalt	Date: April 24, 2008 @ 4:07 AM And I really do think that people having sex with chickens is just plain wrong and sincerely hope that people are just joking about it.
GeneHilbert	Date: April 24, 2008 @ 4:08 AM I was under the impression the site was going to comp subs for their down time. Move your web site to DHosting - 2 birds with one stone.
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 24, 2008 @ 4:09 AM Well... If the only thing you can see refers to chickens... I'd GO... and see a doctor. There's a lot more here than just chickens. You of all people know that, Martin. And by the way, your music isn't shit.
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 24, 2008 @ 4:11 AM On 24th Apr 2008, zedsalt said: And I really do think that people having sex with chickens is just plain wrong and sincerely hope that people are just joking about it. I can't speak for Moam or Saint in that case but I hope it's a joke...
Distilled1	Date: April 24, 2008 @ 5:04 AM everyone send this to all your buddy list I did you still alive? We miss you and your music! Dmusic Live streaming radio 24/7 http://209.51.162.163:6922/listen.pls hope you stop in and say Hi! (your name)
ShadowMom	Date: April 24, 2008 @ 5:12 AM Not my buddy list... and you don't wanna know! All my buddies, maybe!! I've been a user for 4 years, an admin for two. Not stalwart? I'm stalwart. Odd? Eh.....depends on who you ask. I may be "new" and the n00bie glow may be a little bit dimmed, but I'm still here. After all, if I leave how can I take over the world? This is just the first phase
moam	Date: April 24, 2008 @ 5:22 AM On 24th Apr 2008, GeneHilbert said: I was under the impression the site was going to comp subs for their down time. Move your web site to DHosting - 2 birds with one stone. Awesome. Pure awesome. You seriously have to ask? Well, I guess I can't blame you for being suspicious Saying, "yes, I'm joking" would ruin mine and saint's (well maybe not saint's) reputation as a chicken fucker, so I'll just let that question float in the air so that everyone can ponder on it and have nightmares
moam	Date: April 24, 2008 @ 5:23 AM Wrong quote meant to quote: On 24th Apr 2008, zedsalt said: And I really do think that people having sex with chickens is just plain wrong and sincerely hope that people are just joking about it.
GeneHilbert	Date: April 24, 2008 @ 6:01 AM Is that cockle-doodle-do or any-cock-will-do?
TameasDust	Date: April 24, 2008 @ 6:37 AM On 24th Apr 2008, Distilled1 said: everyone send this to all your buddy list I did you still alive? We miss you and your music! Dmusic Live streaming radio 24/7 http://209.51.162.163:6922/listen.pls alll 700 of them hope you stop in and say Hi! (your name)
leflaw	Date: April 24, 2008 @ 6:56 AM Thats it. I am banning chickens
leflaw	Date: April 24, 2008 @ 6:56 AM Thats it. I am banning chickens
ShadowMom	Date: April 24, 2008 @ 6:58 AM You GO, leflaw!
TameasDust	Date: April 24, 2008 @ 6:58 AM
WildasRapids	Date: April 24, 2008 @ 7:09 AM What about the 's rights???? Who's going to defend them???? Or are they to end up on the old ???
moam	Date: April 24, 2008 @ 7:30 AM They'll all go to me
GeneHilbert	Date: April 24, 2008 @ 7:48 AM Beware the ACLU American Chicken Liberties Union
Distilled1	Date: April 24, 2008 @ 7:54 AM On 24th Apr 2008, WildasRapids said: What about the 's rights???? Who's going to defend them???? Or are they to end up on the old ??? chickens rights!! right here http://distill.dmusic.com/music/comments/365939 and yes Tameas I did I think I have over 150 you can do multiples yuo know although not all 700 at once I tried, no work
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 24, 2008 @ 10:32 AM On 24th Apr 2008, leflaw said: Thats it. I am banning chickens On 24th Apr 2008, leflaw said: Thats it. I am banning chickens On 24th Apr 2008, leflaw said: Thats it. I am banning chickens Banning chickens by any chance?
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 24, 2008 @ 10:34 AM If chickens must die, so will Pigs! Down with the Pigs! Gammon suppers all round!
leedsquietman	Date: April 24, 2008 @ 1:51 PM bacon sandwich. Thanks for the support, I wish my sub wasn't expiring at the end of the month so I could think about it some more. I appreciate the feedback and though ...
BOWILLIE	Date: April 24, 2008 @ 2:09 PM ..bullseye
BOWILLIE	Date: April 24, 2008 @ 2:21 PM stop moving.
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 25, 2008 @ 4:56 AM bull's ASS. don't those wings get tired of supporting that swollen medicine-ball belly of yours?
TameasDust	Date: April 25, 2008 @ 6:15 AM at twenty paces
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 25, 2008 @ 9:38 AM see, much more to DM than... and come on, where else would you see a site owner threatening to ban an ANIMAL from the site?
BOWILLIE	Date: April 25, 2008 @ 9:39 AM damn right..im changing my icon to a rock
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 25, 2008 @ 9:42 AM On 25th Apr 2008, BOWILLIE said: damn right..im changing my icon to a rock Your new home?
BOWILLIE	Date: April 25, 2008 @ 9:44 AM yep..a lot like your head..mossy on the north side
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 25, 2008 @ 9:55 AM Mossy? When you're bald as a rock, any hair replacement therapy will do.
BOWILLIE	Date: April 25, 2008 @ 3:07 PM im in desguise now.
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 26, 2008 @ 7:24 AM from a distance that looks like a whoopee cushion, Bo
leedsquietman	Date: April 28, 2008 @ 1:12 PM I have decided to unsubscribe at this time. I am not saying 'Never' to coming back and I will probably still drop by as a non sub, but admins,admins feel free to delete my Umbriel Rising and LQM/Bass Over Forty collabs pages and I have deleted most of my music (I am now under the 75 MB limit for free accounts). Thanks.
aorpete	Date: April 28, 2008 @ 1:20 PM The main thing is that you are still here - you are one hell of a musician my friend... I enjoy all your music! Your technical skills & critiques have help me move forward so much I have no less than one-hundred & ten percent respect & aside from working with you on a project you will be mention on my up-coming album for all the support you have given me from day dot! If you ever do re-sub I am certain there will be a warm-hearted welcome back for all the good that you bring here. Keep on doing what you do Leeds - you ROCK my friend!
Distilled1	Date: April 28, 2008 @ 2:40 PM you shouldn't have deleted it would have remained you just wouldn't have had access to upload more
GeneHilbert	Date: April 28, 2008 @ 2:44 PM I have a problem with this also. The fact that no admin has commented (save one smart-ass retort) or has addressed this issue to a satisfactory conclusion is troubling to me. Stay in touch Dude........
leedsquietman	Date: April 28, 2008 @ 4:57 PM Some of my music is still there, I just turned it invisible for a while. Anyway, sorry for been a big shiny drama queen. Like others before me, I just need a bit of a break, I am not saying I won't ever put the music visible again (or if this is a subscriber perk, there are still a few LQM tunes up invisible which may become visible). I am not feeling the vibe right now , partially because of things going or (or not so as in Gene's case) but partially because of my own personal need. I wish Larry, the admins and my friends well. I won't be a stranger, just not quite so active for a while.
evansorchid	Date: April 29, 2008 @ 3:03 PM It's always tease, tease, tease This indecision's buggin' me. ...sorry, what were we talking about?
GTOriginal	Date: May 8, 2008 @ 12:44 AM On 24th Apr 2008, TameasDust said: I stay for the community but I ain't gonna beg anyone to stay ... its your choice. Not much of a community if the administrators don't care who comes or goes... The Great Admin Bolt Giveaway of 2006 was the beginning of the end here at DMusic.
ShadowMom	Date: May 8, 2008 @ 11:14 AM Gee, that makes me feel so loved!
leedsquietman	Date: May 8, 2008 @ 11:37 AM I rarely see the admins on here anyway, except Shadowmom and RH, the others seemingly make cameo appearences of late. So as far as I'm concerned, when the people who are supposed to be the backbone of the community (give the odd exception as noted) don't care to log in, how can they expect others to ? I love ya Mom And I wouldn't beg or expect anyone to listen to me begging anyway, I was merely musing over the question and my feelings haven't changed since the last post
GTOriginal	Date: May 8, 2008 @ 1:01 PM Disclaimer: Shadowmom and RH are the only 2 admins who have shown any interest in the site other than the infrequent passing visit and/or careless remark. Certainly as an artist I would not go to another for help, not only because I know my way around the site more, but because I actually give a damn too. When I was new I went to Rodrica, because she was here a lot and would gladly drop everything to answer my inane newbie questions. Why she never wore the bolt is a mystery to me I would suggest that RH and Shadowmom become "Super Admins" and recieve "Double Lightning Bolts" but the Gestapo has a copyright on that symbol already.
ShadowMom	Date: May 8, 2008 @ 2:20 PM We all have our strengths, and although Rh and I are the most visible admins, there are others who are here more than you might think-- Cryxan and Pog and even the somewhat wayward Alstroph I appreciate the nice words, and I'd really like to see more positive comments than some of the ones that have crossed our forums lately. But because we are "open" it means that things are said--sometimes in anger, sometimes as a result of hurt feelings and/or pride. Is there anyone here who hasn't said something they've regretted? If so, because most human beings make mistakes. We have to learn to forgive and forget sometimes because we are a community, an extended family in a way. And besides all that -- holding grudges is just too damn much work. And for all of you; there's no problem we can't work out, as long as you're willing to try. P.S. I want for Mother's Day!
leflaw	Date: May 8, 2008 @ 2:33 PM who else is an admin besides shadowmom, rhthesinner, distilled1, Cryxan and Pog and the somewhat wayward Alstroph?
leedsquietman	Date: May 8, 2008 @ 2:47 PM Without wanting to sound facetious Larry, as top man of this organization, isn't this is a question you should already know the answer to ? We have had (whether temporary or more permanent) Dizeazed, Buzz and (correct me if I'm wrong T-Dubb and Victors Skull) among others who no longer wear the lightning? I don't see a bolt on Distilled1, that guy would also be worthy of the same praise as Shadowmom and RH in his devotion to DM.
Distilled1	Date: May 8, 2008 @ 2:58 PM WOW! I will work harder now Gary you know I have always been here and there are others as well ebarbarella (who has of late has had moving across the country issues) and many others who love you and your music, the forums are just a sounding board at times, a silly kindergarten at others, and a serious shearing(yes misspelled on purpose ) information at others... some have that bolt still but are no longer, some don't have it and are maybe we need to update that elusive page, where the basic user can get info. on who is what and where to go? ( its on the dmusic wiki I think its a secret) maybe we need certain admis. for certain issues/jobs? ...I don't know but maybe thats key All I know is Tames said "I stay for the community but I ain't gonna beg anyone to stay ... its your choice." and also said we know you will be back... as many of us have done the same many long time users. hey would you like to see the reply's I got back from my note I sent to all on my buddy list? some I haven't seen in 2 years!!! its very informative! Maybe I will make a little spread sheet to show reasons, you know that many were I have to much going on in my life now but thanks for asking I hope to be back after a while... again I will say DMusic is "GRASS ROOTS" WEare DMusic and WE need to make it what we want! something I have learned complaining doesn't always get it, some times its better to take ACTION, and I'm not saying you don't activate, you do you have super ninja power activation! have you thought about helping out in some way you can? has anyone complaining asked "hey what can I do to help? I'm not rich but is there anything I can do to make DMusic better?" "DMusic...for the musician in all of us!"
GeneHilbert	Date: May 8, 2008 @ 2:59 PM I feel so dej