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YaBoyDrew	Date: December 13, 2003 @ 10:41 PM I was just wonderin bout our "girlfriends" n everything that happens. when you really think about it soooo much different things happen in the tyme u date. the longer the more. upz n downs. right now im havin a up but i kno a down will be here sooner or later. but in the end we get 2 c wut itll overall be an up or down, juss a thought of the day
Veracohr	Date: December 13, 2003 @ 11:30 PM Yeah, just like every other area of life. You don't know how it'll turn out until the end.
sinai	Date: December 14, 2003 @ 2:07 AM and juss for the record, when a 40 oz. bottle is broken over your head, that's a sign things are going south.
Jennae	Date: December 14, 2003 @ 2:18 AM
sinai	Date: December 14, 2003 @ 2:30 AM ive had some interesting girlfriends... and some arguments that went legend... live and learn i guess...
Jennae	Date: December 14, 2003 @ 2:44 AM well I can say the same for boyfriends too... a 40oz over the head is a walk in the park compared to some jerk offs i've dated
ChillinBuzz	Date: December 14, 2003 @ 2:45 AM indeed, live and learn the thing is though, its not those who have past, its the present ones that are important
sinai	Date: December 14, 2003 @ 2:57 AM damn skippy to that
blooddshedd	Date: December 14, 2003 @ 3:19 AM all you need is more sex and less conversation.... its as simple as that.. ... damn I should write I book
sinai	Date: December 14, 2003 @ 3:24 AM "push in pull out. repeat if necessary smoke afterwards, turn on monday night football" theres yer first chapter blood
Cryxan	Date: December 14, 2003 @ 5:21 AM I've never had a girlfriend. Perhaps I'm missing out.
alcoholicskunk	Date: December 14, 2003 @ 5:23 AM I used to have girlfriends but I had to quit.. Now I just stick to cigarettes, beer, weed, pain killers and caffine... they are safer
missvolatile	Date: December 14, 2003 @ 5:58 AM Relationships Smellationships pshh
CrescentShadow	Date: December 14, 2003 @ 9:44 AM i havent had a real girlfriend.. girls arent interested in dating guys who dont act thugged out and hard and are the "nice guy"... i get the job of listening to them moan about the jackoff guy she dated instead of me. yay
Arthen	Date: December 14, 2003 @ 11:51 AM Crescent Shadow, i think you need some David Deangelo my friend. =) Go find out about him. Let's just put it this way....my whole perspective changed when i read and listened to his stuff on women and dating. This ain't another cheapshit gimmick; this guy has been there and suffered. He had the balls to take control in this area of his life. It takes an open mind and definitely ALOT less ego to just take a little dive into what he has to say. Besides, we all have nothing to lose anyway. I undestand about how girls whine to 'nice' guys like us about their jack ass bfs who treat them like shit. I feel ya man. But the truth is, you don't have to be a jack ass as well to have women attracted to you. We 'nice' guys just need alittle programing change within our mindset prisons and confidence. I know this sounds rather erm...."nah i'm not interested" kinda thing, but TRUST me....go look him up.
Arthen	Date: December 14, 2003 @ 12:18 PM Exactly becoz of this, and i know this sounds too fucking bullshit to be true, but I was from a wussy guy who listens to the relationship problems of women you like so much who don't even give a shit about you in the first place (dont you just hate yourself for that?); to one now who can at least handle this part of his life now ALOT more successfully. Depends on every guy. Some of these guys go out to clubs, they are able to get 15 to 25 fuckin numbers in a night; some even bring home 2 in one night to sleep with...it varies. I'm not that kinda guy; I'm a one woman man, but at least I'm definitely not as pathetic as I used to be, and now she's the one that's crazy over me instead of the wussy I used to be. And did I mention how fuckin hot she is? Go dig up this guy; David Deangelo. Trust me, this ain't a gimmick or religious seminarist. Dont be embarrassed; don't let ego take over. Screw what other pple say. You have nothing to lose anyway right?
Thaspian	Date: December 14, 2003 @ 1:09 PM ... you're SO missing out.
KevBrock	Date: December 14, 2003 @ 2:21 PM In the past, I've dated many women as friends but none of my relationships were that serious though. I was hoping one of those relationships would go into some serious romance but none of my relationships in the past ever work out. The last woman I dated last year turned out to be a real dating disaster. I'm sick of playing these games with women. Sometimes women don't understand men when they think they do. I am a virgin at 27 years old by MY decision. I have a lot of confidence in myself around women. I just feel there is no need to rush to have sex when you can just simply enjoy life by doing the things you love to do with playing and writing music and stuff like that. I feel that it is best to break a virginity to that one person you truly love and that one person you will stay with the rest of your life with. As I've said, it's my decision. Mine only. As I've said, I've dated many women as friends, I wouldn't call them as a "real girlfriend". When I think the time is right, one day I will get that "real girlfriend". There is a woman who I work with at the office building who I am absolutely crazy about, and she's a very close friend of mine that I'm trying to get hooked up with, I'm doing my best though. Hopefully, she will one day become my "real girlfriend" in hopes of a future marriage.
TameasDust	Date: December 14, 2003 @ 3:44 PM Love them each day as if you first met and fell inlove ... love them with all your strength each day and do your best as naturally as it comes to you ... if it falls appart even so, it was not meant to be. don't plan forever for that leads to taking the other person for granted. love and experience the other person for who they are not what you may want them to be. don't labour over lost love ... to do so robs you of the next love to light up your life. don't go after the same type of person every time fore that will lead you to being broken again and again.
JFF	Date: December 14, 2003 @ 4:43 PM no comment.
invocati	Date: December 14, 2003 @ 5:04 PM Just be careful who you give your heart to. Never rush into things. Most people will show their true colors if you give it enough time.
KevBrock	Date: December 14, 2003 @ 5:19 PM "Just be careful who you give your heart to. Never rush into things. Most people will show their true colors if you give it enough time." Yep, that's exactly what I'm doing. I'm being very careful of who I date, there's a lot of nasty and trouble making women out there, it's just unreal. If the woman I date turns out to be Ms. Bad News, would make me want to dump her. Rushing into things seem to end relationships very quickly. Taking your time to get to know your partner well enough is the best thing to do.
YaBoyDrew	Date: December 14, 2003 @ 6:59 PM so many fish in the sea how do u kno when u got it good................ i think the key is time
Arthen	Date: December 14, 2003 @ 7:52 PM whatever u guys. =)i mean, SERIOUSLY, whatever. Go give Deangelo a try. his stuff can be found on kazaa, so it shouldn't be that much of a hassle.
KevBrock	Date: December 14, 2003 @ 7:56 PM ^Yep, right on. I agree. Slowing things down, and not rushing things is always very important. Start off small and build yourself way up. I realize that women don't like it when men rush into things. Sexual fun, maybe great, true. But IMO, sex isn't really important in life. Love is not sex IMO. The love comes first, then maybe the sex later. I can always go out there at some night to get laid really fast but "one night stands" had never been my thing. Some people enjoy "one night stands" and some people don't want to do it. I like to treat women as if they were a human being, not a sex object. If I think they have a good personality and a fun person to talk to, also, if I'm attracted to them, that's when I know I'll have a crush on someone. Maybe that's the reason why so many relationships end so fast, because men are in such a hurry to get laid and they're always rushing into everything, and it gets the women thinking they're being treated like a sex object. I don't know, just making observations. This is a good thread you made, YaBoyDrew. Nice move. This thread gets all the musicians in Dmusic talking about their personal lifestyles. There is nothing wrong with talking about personal stuff online since you barely know anyone, so the internet is all free discussion to everything.
Cryxan	Date: December 14, 2003 @ 8:16 PM Kev, it's very refreshing to hear a man talk like that.
redrasta	Date: December 14, 2003 @ 10:32 PM I....wow...Sinai...wow. Can I be your girlfriend???
blooddshedd	Date: December 14, 2003 @ 10:37 PM yeah um... I think there should be much more sex... and less chit chat
YaBoyDrew	Date: December 14, 2003 @ 10:46 PM sinai lol push in pull out word up its that simple
KevBrock	Date: December 15, 2003 @ 11:08 AM "Kev, it's very refreshing to hear a man talk like that." Yep, because my most are afraid and too shy to talk like that around other people. As I said I have a lot of confidence in myself and you can tell the way I type.
KevBrock	Date: December 15, 2003 @ 11:09 AM Whoops, I meant to say "Most men are afraid to talk like that". Man, I wish we can edit posts so we don't look like an idiot with bad grammar and spelling.
Arthen	Date: December 15, 2003 @ 1:06 PM "Maybe that's the reason why so many relationships end so fast, because men are in such a hurry to get laid and they're always rushing into everything, and it gets the women thinking they're being treated like a sex object. I don't know, just making observations." Well your observations are very a fraction partially true. It's not that men are rushing into everything. When it comes to body languange and communication, men are switches. On and Off. Extremely predictable. Women are volume knobs. Women's reading of body language and attraction communication are eons ahead of men, and they can detect almost immediately whether a guy 'gets it' or not just simply by observing his body languange and tonality. We men have almost no clue about such innate communication that is going on all around us. Most relationships end because once the guy manages to get the girl to like him, he starts to turn into an insecure wussy e.g calling everyday, wanting to meet up like 3,4 times a week, asking her what is she doing, etc. Slowly, attraction just turns to dust. Does "it's not you, it's me" "I need some time alone" or "you're a very sweet guy, but I just feel now it's not the right time in my life" sound familiar? Anyway, anyone can talk and analyze seemingly knowledgeable, because they're standing from afar and just analyzing based on their beliefs. It's when you get into the situation that's when it gets interesting... "Yep, because my most are afraid and too shy to talk like that around other people. As I said I have a lot of confidence in myself and you can tell the way I type." Hehehe do you mean things like "please take a look at my songs and comment on it pretty please"? =P
YaBoyDrew	Date: December 15, 2003 @ 2:09 PM i hear that kev
KevBrock	Date: December 15, 2003 @ 2:25 PM "Most relationships end because once the guy manages to get the girl to like him, he starts to turn into an insecure wussy e.g calling everyday, wanting to meet up like 3,4 times a week, asking her what is she doing, etc. Slowly, attraction just turns to dust. Does "it's not you, it's me" "I need some time alone" or "you're a very sweet guy, but I just feel now it's not the right time in my life" sound familiar?" Yep, that's another reason. There are many reasons why relationships end so fast. Not just the ones we explained. Stupid things like jealousy, small arguments, being abusive/aggressive to your partner or kids, not enough communication with your partner, etc. Things like that. The thing that bothers me about the women is when you don't spend that much time with her, she'll end up going out with someone else behind your back without your knowledgement (knowing from experience). That is pretty disrespectful in my book. If she was going to end a relationship because of not enough communication or don't spend much time with her and ends up cheating, she should have been more responsible to end the relationship right off the bat before she decides to go out with someone else. That's a better way to do it. Women cheating on guys is a bit childish, it's the same thing with kids hiding dirty mags/beer in their bedrooms behind their parents backs.
redrasta	Date: December 16, 2003 @ 3:42 PM Um...ANYONE cheating on ANYONE is pathetic. And it pisses me right off when people hide their porn. What happened to sharing, dammit!?
Pagan	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 11:21 PM kev no offence dude, but what you are to the woman you talk to is basically another girlfriend.you will constantly get stuck in the friend zone. including that girl at work. how many times have you heard the phrase " i just want to be friends". girls arent looking for friends when they meet a man. ask most woman if the guys they dated they would be freinds with if they werent banging them.and i know there are chicks out there that will say different because of that one relationship where they guy was really cool and good looking too. but im talking about the majority of relationships woman have are with guys they find attractive and little else . but guys are the same way , they just admit it more readily. being the nice ,sensitive guy will get you nowhere.Im not saying be a jerk either because that only works for really good looking guys. i dont care what you have heard all your life from your "girlfriends". what woman say they want and what they are attracted to are two different things.but it seems to me that they all read the same book about wanting a funny,affectionate,respectful,honest ,sweet man but date the biggest assholes on the planet who never even come close to what they say they want. and you dont have to look too far to understand that. trust me . i know this. I am not bitter . it is just reality.some of the things you say, remind me of a little child who hasnt experienced the real world, hopeful wide-eyed and in for a really big surprise. and by the way if you are a 27 year old virgin, you havent had a girlfriend. you had a few affectionate friends that needed a safe guy friend to emotionally lean on. holding hands and hugging does not a girlfriend make.
KevBrock	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 11:49 PM Well Pagan, I've dated women who asked me for sexual favors, I refuse because I didn't want to rush things. All the past women I've dated, weren't consider as my "girlfriend". I'm not a one night stand guy as I've clearly stated before. I'm the type of guy that wants to get to know a woman well first before actually getting laid. Love does not mean sex. You can still be partners or girlfriend/boyfriend and not have sex. She can still be considered your girlfriend even if you hug, cuddle, and kiss. You can have sex when you think you are ready. Loving each other as a person is what makes a girlfriend/boyfriend. Not sex. All sex is about is fun and lust, nothing more. Not all dates have to be about sex. Romance is a plus though. Big difference between romance and sex. I can be a very romantic guy as stated by many of the past women I've gone out with. It's just that the relationship turned out bad as I hope it didn't turn out to be. Love is respect each other as a person. Sex has nothing to do with anything. When I'll accept sex with a woman, she'll have to: 1) Get to know me really well so I can trust her 2) Not use me 3) Love me as a great person. If people just want to have sex right away, then let them be. People do what they want with their lives and people make decisions. It's my decision that I feel don't need to have sex right away. I want it badily sure, don't get me wrong, but I'm paying it's respects and doing things the right way. I mean think about it, if I just went out there had sex right away, and then she dumps me because I'm not that attractive (I'm attractive just giving an example) to her, that'll make you feel like a total loser. That is why I prefer to get to know a woman well enough first to give her time. If she seriously loves me as a person, that's when she'll be my girlfriend and I may give her sex if she wants it. Thanks for your advice, Pagan, but everyone is different.
OvErSeXeD	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 11:54 PM "If people just want to have sex right away, then let them be" I agree 100%.
Pagan	Date: December 21, 2003 @ 10:03 PM you put way too much importance on sex. like it has anything to do with love.I think you have built it up in your mind like a little girl does, but ask all those grown up girls what they think now. im just worried that that you will wait for something that will never come. someday you will be on the other side of the fence and you will understand completely. I went to catholic school with girls who thought the exact same way as you and it made them feel noble and special to feel that way but talk to them now and all of them will say it was a silly little girl dream. I cant believe there is not more of a response from women in this thread. im still waiting to hear them come on and tell me that they were friends with thier boyfreinds and they never had sex without being in love first. once again what woman say they want and what they are attracted to are 2 different things. by the way , how would you feel if your "girlfriend" told you she loved you more than anything but she wanted to have sex with someone else? my point is that it's really annoying when women act like they have some special gift in their pants but give it away to some good looking abusive asshole in a heartbeat. and the problem with that is they will demand that YOU respect it but yet she will give her heart, body and love over to some one who doesnt have any respect and will never have any respect for any woman. I grew up with mostly woman. most of my friends now are woman. i talk to woman constantly. and I really had the same outlook about relationships that you have now and it is really hard to come to terms with it because I honestly wanted to believe that woman wanted the things that they talked about. but too many times they show that they will sell out all those values for attraction.
KevBrock	Date: December 21, 2003 @ 10:15 PM Pagan, I respect your advice but everyone is different and you have to respect that. You can still be a couple and not have sex right away. Love does NOT mean sex. As I clearly stated, loving each other as a person as a whole is what makes a girlfriend/boyfriend. Sex is nothing but fun and pleasure, that's all it is. Sex has nothing to do with love. What I think love truly is, it's respect your partner as a human being and loving them for their great personalities. "by the way , how would you feel if your "girlfriend" told you she loved you more than anything but she wanted to have sex with someone else?" That doesn't make a bit of sense. If she loved me, she is not dumb enough to have sex with someone else unless she is some sort of dumb sex crazed nympho, but yeah, I would be upset (knowing from experience this same sort of thing happened to me in my life in the past). Those are the type of women I stay away from. Not all women want to be used as sex toys, they want to be respected as a human being and then the sex comes after that. Not everyone in the world have to get laid if they don't want to. It's their decisions. Their life. If people don't want to have sex, then let them be. Nothing wrong with it. I'm dying to get sex, don't get me wrong (as I said before) but I am being very careful of who I am sharing my virginity with. I am not going to lose my virginity to some stupid girl. I'm saving it for someone special.
sinai	Date: December 21, 2003 @ 10:17 PM jesus people have been pissy lately... ya'll dunt need relationships, you get enough arguing round here!
Pagan	Date: December 21, 2003 @ 10:22 PM "Sex is nothing but fun and pleasure, " then why save yourself?
KevBrock	Date: December 21, 2003 @ 10:35 PM "then why save yourself?" I'm saving myself because I want to have sex with someone who I truly love. Oh, and for the record. I heard that many women out there love older men over the age of 25 who are virgins. They think men virgins are cute and sexy, and they love to teach them. I admit I did have a little tiny bit of sexual experience. Me and a few buddies of mine went to a strip joint, just to hang out and see what it's like. It wasn't real hardcore sex or nothing. Just beautiful women giving me lap dances and allowing me to feel all over her. I did that to gain a little experience but nothing all that serious though.
Pagan	Date: December 21, 2003 @ 10:42 PM kev , i ve heard the same rhetoric from my friends at the bar when pretty girls are listening. many girls eat up that shit. but they will tell you that you are the perfect guy but they wont date you. they will say "if i could just find someone with all the traits you have i'd marry him" If all these past relationships were so grounded in love and trust and mutual respect why are you alone now? you ARE the perfect guy dude. women dont want perfect guys. they want men. perfect guys are used for friends only to go shopping with and to hang out with when the boyfriend wants to hangout with his buddies.If you want to see a bunch of perfect guys watch "queer eye for the straight guy".
Arthen	Date: December 21, 2003 @ 11:14 PM Sinai: LOL
Arthen	Date: December 21, 2003 @ 11:26 PM "Oh, and for the record. I heard that many women out there love older men over the age of 25 who are virgins. They think men virgins are cute and sexy, and they love to teach them." My god, you are soooooo dead wrong Kev. Soooo dead wrong....women don't want men who they have to TEACH. They want men who GET IT. They want men who are experienced; busy with their lives, have a passion for something, and not ASS KISSING men who would answer to every little of their whims and fancies. Women RUN from wussy behaviour. Their radar can detect almost INSTANTLY any signs of insecurity or clingy behaviour, just by studying our body languange and tonality alone. Man, I think you seriously have alot of re-learning to do...and i recommend David Deangelo. Don't be EGO-istic again; just go check it out harmlessly. Don't worry, I know you have this thing now like "but i want women to like me for who I am, and i don't want to put up an act like as if I'm a cool jerk blah blah blah". I perfectly understand that my friend. You don't have to be. But what you need is a little re-programming in your ATTITUDE. If you want to get this area of your life handled; do yourself a favour. David Deangelo.
Arthen	Date: December 22, 2003 @ 6:50 AM this has got nothing to do with who gets the most sex or dates by the way. it's the way you can HANDLE this stuff.
ChillinBuzz	Date: December 22, 2003 @ 6:57 AM :thumbsup: :lmao:" id="75363">
Thaspian	Date: December 22, 2003 @ 7:50 AM Chill you sick fuck.
Arthen	Date: December 22, 2003 @ 8:38 AM mg........
ChillinBuzz	Date: December 22, 2003 @ 8:44 AM
PopDolls	Date: December 22, 2003 @ 10:31 AM Chill!
Pagan	Date: December 23, 2003 @ 9:27 AM look i think i know kev. actually i was kev. all my girl_friends told me what they wanted in a husband.not what they were actually attracted to. no qualities that they told me they wanted, could be found in any of thier boyfriends. occasionally one quality was there but that was pure coincedence.attraction is not by choice stop listening to what woman say and watch the guys they fall in love with.
Pagan	Date: December 23, 2003 @ 9:28 AM case in point....... ""nice guy"... i get the job of listening to them moan about the jackoff guy she dated instead of me"
Pagan	Date: December 23, 2003 @ 9:32 AM "There is a woman who I work with at the office building who I am absolutely crazy about, and she's a very close friend of mine that I'm trying to get hooked up with" "very close friend of yours". trust me dude she will never think of you more than just another girlfriend. you are stuck in the friend zone. she tells you you are the perfect guy but shell never date you . and going out to lunch or dinner is not a date! you go out to lunch and dinner with guy friends and you dont call that a date.
creativetim	Date: December 23, 2003 @ 1:08 PM I must say Pagan, it's clear why you think the way you do with a wordly name like yours. I'm afraid to break it to you, but not all people are mindless, self-centered tarts. A great deal are yes, but like any rule there are exceptions. I really think you're looking at this the wrong way. I can't even count the number of couples I have come in contact with, young and old, that aren't attractive and are incredibly content with each other. I feel as though you may have a skewed preception of what love really is, much like the rest of the world. As Kev has illustrated, very well I might add, love isn't sex, it isn't even pyhsical attraction really. Love is fulfillment. It's the goo that fills a need of a person. We all have needs, whether we are cognizant of them or not, there is something that everyone needs. Love is when those needs are met. Needs don't know beauty or status, in turn love is the same way. It transcends all of the BS that constantly surrounds us all into thinking with a particular mindset that young is better and pretty is best. I will be the first to admit that I very much resemble Kev. Though, we have our differences. I'm 19 and a virgin by choice, I also believe that to save something that precious to SHARE with the person I will spend the rest of my life with far exceeds the amount of joy I will attain from say, a one night stand. I'm also a complete dork. My girlfriend loves me. She loves me for who I am. She loves everything about me, I am confident in that and she feels a need and much much more all without the fantasmic effects of sex. That's not to say at times I wouldn't mind going there, but we both know that we're waiting until our first night as a couple to have sex. That is something that wonderful, that no one night stand or relationship based solely on sex can provide. I am living testimony to the idea that the nice guy does get the girl and that happiness can come from a relationship that isn't grounded in worldly ideals. I'm no saint by any means, but I had to jump in to say my piece. Before I go I must say one last thing. Pagan, you speak of the 'friend zone.' I have to say that the friend zone is a wonderful thing and a lot of the time is the zone that will get you to the 'end zone' so to speak.
Pagan	Date: December 23, 2003 @ 3:17 PM Tim. ATTRACTION has nothing to do with ATTRACTIVE. they are two different words. you telling me that you know ugly people who love each other is way off the point and paints a picture of me as shallow and superficial.which is incorrect on every level. ATTRACTION is involuntary, it doesnt matter if you are quasimoto, some one can be attracted to you.I ve been attracted to many woman i didnt find particularly attractive. you stumbled across the right woman. congratulations. you happened to find a woman who was attracted to something about you and she fell in love. but that is a fluke. i never said that the nice guy never gets the girls, and i love to see when he does, and i have.I never said to be disrespectful to woman to get them .its not something i believe in. I wasnt talking about love either and yes love isnt sex but one must be attracted to hand her heart over. she won't hand it over to someone she doesnt see as a potential lover. A woman doesnt hand her heart over to her friends. the friend zone is very real. Any nice guy knows this. The decision not to have sex before you are married is yours. putting that much importance on it and having no real experience of it will prolly make it an awkward first experiance. sex is very primal, very normal for all animals, leave it up to humans to romanticise it and complicate it into some grandiose romance novel with fireworks and beautiful music. once again i hear from someone who is on the way in. and of course your ideals are different because you are at the begining of this journey. And i am truly happy for you and wish you the best. but you are in love. and the way you see the world right now is WAY more skewed than the way i see it. you see the world as this wonderfull playground where everything is grand and thats why we all love being in love so much. its the perfect drug. but it does skew our perceptions and i honestly dont think we think accurately when we are really in love. Ask anyone whos done something they wouldnt normally have done because they were in love. approaching a relationship with a level head and not some silly little girl dream can only benefit us. you and kev are both optmistically naive and im sure that feels really good and hopefully you will never have to learn otherwise. but kev doesnt have someone and he's been listening to girls who tell him they want one thing and date the total opposite. and im afraid when he finally wakes up it will kill him. i think of you as a lottery winner. you used no skill or anything (you said you are a dork) which only proves my point that ATTRACTION is involuntary. you stumbled across a good match.good for you. but I also think that both of you havent been in the game yet you make statements like you know the score. love exists and love is very real and beautiful and im not trying to take away from that. that friend zone is where you get to see how the female psyche/heart works. and if your eyes are open you will see the patterns of which i speak. it is not the pessimistic ranting of a bitter mind or a broken heart that i write this .there is very concrete proof if you open your eyes and watch your friends (and your girlfriens friends).
Pagan	Date: December 23, 2003 @ 3:24 PM "The thing that bothers me about the women is when you don't spend that much time with her, she'll end up going out with someone else behind your back without your knowledgement (knowing from experience). That is pretty disrespectful in my book. If she was going to end a relationship because of not enough communication or don't spend much time with her and ends up cheating, she should have been more responsible to end the relationship right off the bat before she decides to go out with someone else. That's a better way to do it." - kev Maybe she went out and found someone else because she didnt know you guys were actually dating. She wasnt getting what she wanted from the relationship (sex). she wanted a man and not another girlfriend.
Pagan	Date: December 23, 2003 @ 3:43 PM "Love is fulfillment. It's the goo that fills a need of a person. We all have needs, whether we are cognizant of them or not, there is something that everyone needs. Love is when those needs are met. Needs don't know beauty or status."-TIM love is not when those needs are met, love trancends those needs and makes those needs seem inconsequential. thats why its the perfect drug. you forget what you needed and wholly lose yourself in the high. and it doesnt solve everything. it just makes all seem ok. you are high right now. enjoy it. but i dont need another to make me complete or to fill my needs. thats not love...thats co-dependence. something was missing and love made you forget it. you were empty and you found something to fill you. im full already, and when i find someone they will compliment me and i will them. but i am complete already. im happy with my identity, im proud of it. And if more woman didnt have it drilled into their heads that they are not complete until they have a partner, they would be better off as well.
Pagan	Date: December 23, 2003 @ 5:22 PM You saying "love is when those needs are met" is like me saying "heroin will solve all your problems and elimate all your stress" someone high on herion will tell me they have no problems and no stress and they are correct, in their own reality, as long as they have more smack in their pocket. your pockets are full dude.......or are you just glad to see me?
Arthen	Date: December 23, 2003 @ 10:29 PM Guys, no point trying to debate over this. Those so called proclaimed "virgins by choice" here, good for you, although I do know there is DEFINITELY some sort of wanting you guys have as well. If there is a 'front' being put up...up to you guys...you can go ahead and talk noble about marriage, love..blah blah blah. Pagan isn't saying that love ain't mean shit or anything. He is talking about ATTRACTION. There is a DIFFERENCE in having all the nice guy traits that all women want in a HUSBAND, and someone that UNDERSTANDS attraction and is able to TRIGGER this button inside of a woman, CREATE TENSION, and keeping the attraction LAST. From the posts I've read I can tell none of you do of the latter. And believe me, woman will stay attracted to you provided YOU know how to make the tension interesting and keeping the attraction. This does not only work for pickups and one night stands MIND YOU. This is VITAL in long term relationships and MARRIAGES. Alot of guys go suicidal and insecure and they simply KILL off the attraction once they get with a girl. This is a BASIC skill that you need to learn to get this area of your life handled. I'm not saying God allow all guys must be fucking Casanovas, but if you see my point; you'd realize MANY, MANY guys do NOT know how to trigger ATTRACTION and keep it LASTING. They do NOT KNOW that just like us, for women, ATTRACTION ISN"T A CHOICE. A woman isn't going to "scan" a guy and go "ooohh, okay, this guy's good looking, 6 feet tall, has a stable job, a very nice person. Ok, i'll be attracted to him". It doesn't WORK THIS WAY. But for us guys it's logical isn't it? I mean we have all the nice qualities, we are talented, we don't abuse girls like those jerks, doesn't that make us the "perfect package"? It DOESN'T WORK THIS WAY. I'm not going to explain any further. Go kazaa and download EVERYTHING on David Deangelo.
Arthen	Date: December 23, 2003 @ 10:33 PM