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what do you think of growling/screaming?

Bloopidfudality	Date: March 5, 2006 @ 2:56 AM yeah im lead vocalist in a metal band and would a) like to know what you think of this genre of singing and b)like some critique myself
shadowself	Date: March 5, 2006 @ 8:32 AM Sorry, but: hate it, hate it, hate it. Especially the growling. For instance, I do like Opeth - that is until Cookie Monster takes the mic. RAAAWWWRRR!!! DEATH DEATH DEATH!!! FEEED ME COOOKIE!!!
sinai	Date: March 5, 2006 @ 8:36 AM cool in doses, but grating after awhile, i'm a big fan of metal, but after a full albumn of that sort of thing from napalm death or deicide or something, i'm thinking "dude, for fucks sake if your that angry, go ahead and kill yourself, if you're that far gone, nothing is going to bring you back..."
MitchWillis	Date: March 5, 2006 @ 8:40 AM I don't mind it, I've got to be in the mood to listen to it thou. I reckon it sounds good when mixed with melodic singing e.g when the screaming is the chorus. But when its just screaming it can get alittle hectic. In saying that some bands can pull it off, and some can't.
EvilPicnic	Date: March 5, 2006 @ 12:37 PM ^^Si. It's fine in small bits. The trouble is, it often sounds so contrived when whole songs are sung like that, like they don't really mean it, like they're just shouting because it's accepted that metal bands all shout nowadays. It gets boring. But when done well (I mean, built up to a climax, and done really sincerely) it can be awesome. ^^That's all refering to the shouty/screamy side of things. I don't like the growling, simply because it ALWAYS sounds contrived, like they're doing it cos it's cool. It always makes me giggle when people do it at gigs. Especially girls. Ugh.
GeneHilbert	Date: March 5, 2006 @ 12:50 PM It's just stupid...... if you are going to sing, then sing. Or for a particular effect in a tune.... artistic expression, emotional outburst……. then fine - what the fuck, but in every song and that's your claim to fame..... If that’s really all you got - then shut the fuck up and get you ass back in the kitchen someone just ordered a burger....
Nuttbuster	Date: March 5, 2006 @ 2:00 PM listen to Children Of Bodom, the lead singer screams and growls, but at the right times..
shadowself	Date: March 5, 2006 @ 2:04 PM Another problem with cookiemonster vocals is that there is no way at all to tell the singers apart. Zero variety.
EchoMinor	Date: March 5, 2006 @ 3:38 PM personal preference really, for instance Dimmu Borgir, the vocalists vocals are more snakelike demon sounding, going from high to low, soft to hard etc. keeping it interesting. cradle of filth does the same thing, mixes a combo of high pitched black metal screaming with death growling. but at the same time he can accually seem normal, when he does that he sounds like Peter Steele.
sinai	Date: March 5, 2006 @ 3:55 PM Soulfly... a good example of when to growl and when to scream Morbid Angel...the complete oppisite
jewsus	Date: March 5, 2006 @ 5:26 PM depends on what type of metal you're doing. death metal its necessary to growl. black metal its necessary to scream. that's kinda part of what makes the genres. the trick is to be able to do it without being monotoned. to me, if a metal band sings, they're probably something i hate. the only time i don't mind it is in certain black metal bands. if you play death metal DO NOT sing. its meant to be brutal.
FebruaryBattles	Date: March 5, 2006 @ 5:29 PM i find screaming etc to be horribly annoying, sometimes its ok for a break in emotion. But its not something tto enjoy, when ur at a mall or resterant, and a kid is screaming, in tune or not, u wanna hit that kid, screaming is not something for enjoying.
shadowself	Date: March 5, 2006 @ 5:37 PM WHY is it necessary to growl in death metal? You can sound pretty evil without being Cookie Monster. Death metal actually sends me into fits of laughter sometimes when I hear Cookie start to sing. Then again, my shoelaces send me into fits of laughter sometimes.
FebruaryBattles	Date: March 5, 2006 @ 5:40 PM ^^^ im sure theres more then one person who growls lol, i see u hold a big grudge to cookie.
jewsus	Date: March 5, 2006 @ 5:44 PM its necessary because that's what death metal is. its one of the biggest deciding factors in if a band is death metal or not. btw, death metal has nothing to do with sounding evil. black metal is by far more evil sounding, and they rarely, if ever, growl.
EchoMinor	Date: March 5, 2006 @ 8:25 PM well take for instance "Slayer" it is constant yelling, but i think the blend of that and Slayers music really makes it enjoyable. also the whole anti-christian angst adds to the feel.
EchoMinor	Date: March 5, 2006 @ 8:26 PM oh and i wasnt stating i was anti-christian, just that a certain theme helps the scream sound better. like rage against the machines political meanings.
tooles	Date: March 6, 2006 @ 12:14 AM It's extremely hard to make a scream musical. The only instances I can think of screaming adding anything to music (off of the top of my head) is at the climax of The Who's "Won't Get Fooled Again". I think the inclusion of screaming, just like the inclusion of any other vocal or instrumental choice, has to be a conscious statement; if it doesn't bring something particular to the music, then it's just extra noise. Extremely annoying, emotionally blah noise.
imemine	Date: March 6, 2006 @ 12:21 AM I like the Cookie Monster. When did he get into death metal? Is Animal the drummer? Is (F) the sponsor of this thread or is the number (10)? I NEED TO KNOW DAMMIT!
shadowself	Date: March 6, 2006 @ 12:22 AM I like the "AAAAHHHHHH-AHHH-AHHH!!!" in Comfortably Numb...
evansorchid	Date: March 6, 2006 @ 12:28 AM Silly me....I don't know what I thought this thread might have been about. I'll go away now.
shadowself	Date: March 6, 2006 @ 1:16 AM No, evansorchid. It's not about sex this time. This time.
victorsskull	Date: March 6, 2006 @ 11:59 AM vocals that are impossible to understand suck for the most part, all what you here is this low blah blah sound its just retarded
ChillinBuzz	Date: March 7, 2006 @ 12:58 AM Sesame Street will never be the same again
imemine	Date: March 7, 2006 @ 1:00 AM C is for cookie--that's good enough for me!
jewsus	Date: March 7, 2006 @ 2:28 AM to be honest, and sorry if i come off as being a dick, but why are people commenting if they don't even like metal? i mean, the guy wanted a response cuz he's in a metal band. am i way off base with this or something?
shadowself	Date: March 7, 2006 @ 9:50 AM I like metal when they have a singer instead of a growler or screamer.
imemine	Date: March 7, 2006 @ 9:57 AM Which people specifically? Though metal is not my primary account, I do participate in a metal band http://megaspank.dmusic.com/ and have been in a metal band that played live in the past. I’ve also been a sound guy for many metal bands in my life. …although, I fail to see the significance of being in a metal band to voice your opinion!
DeadraveN	Date: March 7, 2006 @ 12:09 PM I LIKE TO SCREAM!!!! and have "growled" on occasion to,.. and I personally don't think either one sucks any worse than my singing so there.
imemine	Date: March 7, 2006 @ 12:36 PM This isn't about your extra curricular escapades Raven!
jewsus	Date: March 7, 2006 @ 1:22 PM firstly, i didn't say anything about being in a metal band, i said liking the genre. secondly, there's been numerous people that have commented that come off with an air of "all screaming sucks". i'm not necessarily speaking to any one person in particular. again, i'm not trying to be a dick, but it seems like many of the people giving their input are not well versed in metal. especially when i have to explain what death metal vocals are and why its necessary to the genre. i dunno, it would be a lot easier to give advice if the poster would have said what type of metal he was playing. it just bugged me a little when everyone started ripping on growling, cos for all we know he's in a death metal band.
shadowself	Date: March 7, 2006 @ 2:44 PM the poster is asking for a response. I don't think I would be unqualified to answer if I was not "well versed in yodelling", nor should I be scolded for having a fucking opinion." id="207413">He asked for an opinion: would a) like to know what you think of this genre of singing He did not ask just the death metal fans to reply with how amazing growling is. Asking only people who are "well versed in death metal" would be pointless because every single opinion would be the same. I don't like yodelling either. And if someone asked in a public forum what people thought of THAT genre of singing, I would reply saying that I don't like it because the poster is asking for a response. I don't think I would be unqualified to answer if I was not "well versed in yodelling", nor should I be scolded for having a fucking opinion.
imemine	Date: March 7, 2006 @ 3:23 PM See, now I totally disagree! I DO like yodeling!
FebruaryBattles	Date: March 7, 2006 @ 3:32 PM I guess people arent supposed to like people getting shot on tv, but they liemk it, as people arent supposed to liek screaming, as they do.
shadowself	Date: March 7, 2006 @ 4:48 PM When I say that something sounds silly or bad, I just had assumed that people would understand that this is an opinion. I guess that is not the case. From this point on, I will try to make it more clear. Sorry about that. I personally do not like growling, screaming, or yodelling. However, I would like to hear a Halaka song that incorporates all three styles within about 20 seconds over a polka backing track.
FebruaryBattles	Date: March 7, 2006 @ 4:54 PM word
kingo	Date: March 7, 2006 @ 7:41 PM
jewsus	Date: March 8, 2006 @ 1:16 AM well, as far as only asking people well versed in death metal being pointless....i think that's pretty silly. seeing as how i said "well versed in metal". also, i'm not scolding you for having an opinion. for christ sake, how many times have i said "i'm not trying to be a dick/prick". i said that cos i knew it could be taken the wrong way very easily. all i was trying to get across was : i don't understand why people make judgments on a genre of music if they don't really know much about it. i mean, i'm not saying you don't know anything about metal. its just, if i were to ask for someone's opinion on something about my music, i wouldn't want people that knew nothing about black metal or death metal to give me advice. it just wouldn't seem relevant. again, if the poster would just clarify as to what the damn genre of metal he's playing, it would make things more clear.
tooles	Date: March 8, 2006 @ 2:27 AM Oh, c'mon. Think outside the box, dude. Don't hole yourself up in a 'genre'. Great musicians have their own style; people define genres on them. What genre does someone like Paul Simon fit into? What genre would a band like Led Zeppelin fall under? Would The Rolling Stones be a 'blues' band? A 'rock' band? A 'psychedelic' band? A 'country' band? I'm no huge metal buff, but even artists like Metallica and Godsmack have a very ecletic range, using acoustic elements in certain places, different modes of syncopating, and even varying vocal styles. Have you ever heard Metallica's version of Tuesday's Gone (Lynyrd Skynyrd)? It's hardly a 'metal' tune--there's a harmonica and piano figured prominently in the mix, and the vocals are very melodic (unlike, say, some of the stuff off of The Black Album). Break down the barriers, man. The indie nature of this site gives you a lot of artistic freedom, and I'd hate to see you miss out on that.
jewsus	Date: March 8, 2006 @ 3:26 PM dude, this has nothing to do with "breaking down barriers". there's just certian things different metal subgenres need to have in order for it to be classified that way. there are plenty of just normal metal bands, who don't fit into a subgenre. and that's fine. i just didn't want people to give this guy a bad review on growling/screaming, cos some bands want to be subclassified in subgenres that would require it. i'm sorry if to you subgenres are unimportant. but metal is a vary broad genre, and its kind of necessary to have these classifications. if we didn't have these subgenres people would just say they like metal, and i could give them a black metal cd to listen to and they'd be like "WTF". cos who knows, they could be into more brutal metal. you see what i'm saying? death metal and folk metal are nothing like each other, doom metal and thrash metal are nothing like each other, and black metal and grindcore are nothing like each other. to say subclassifying metal is wrong is ridiculous. its necessary. and that's not to say there's no room for artistic variation within these subgenres. there's plenty of bands that mix influences between subgenres of metal. but they still have components that would classify into a subgenre.
celtaidd	Date: March 8, 2006 @ 3:37 PM Only when making luuurvv
shadowself	Date: March 8, 2006 @ 3:52 PM WTF is FOLK METAL!!??
jewsus	Date: March 8, 2006 @ 4:01 PM folk metal is like more acoustic sounding. a lot of times there's singing instead of screaming, although there can be both. sometimes they play instruments that you wouldn't normally find in metal. such as the harp or flute. Falkenbach is a band that's very common in the subgenre. they're quite good, i'd recommend them.
shadowself	Date: March 8, 2006 @ 4:04 PM Interesting. I'll have to check it out.
DeadraveN	Date: March 8, 2006 @ 8:22 PM I'm still waiting for Halaka to invent polka-metal...
shadowself	Date: March 8, 2006 @ 10:11 PM They could start a side project called Satan's Lederhosen.
EchoMinor	Date: March 8, 2006 @ 11:05 PM face it everyone has their fancy, some like the screaming, some dont, and some hate males that can really sing high. its just what they like, dislike, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc!
GeneHilbert	Date: March 8, 2006 @ 11:24 PM AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Isn't that precious.....
EchoMinor	Date: March 9, 2006 @ 12:06 AM what what i said? or did someone toss a baby picture at ya! because had someone tossed a baby picture at me all of a sudden first i would say "what the fuck!" then probably AAAAAAAAHHWWWWWWWWWWWWWW! Isnt that precious.....
EchoMinor	Date: March 9, 2006 @ 12:07 AM http://fourcalendarcafe.dmusic.net/pictures?detail=1&picid=52061 this is an awsome baby.... um yes this thread is officially hijacked! and i didnt even need a boxcutter!
JeraldHenry	Date: March 17, 2006 @ 2:17 PM It doesn't make sense to me. I guess I like the attitude but, it just doesn't sound musical at all.
JeraldHenry	Date: March 17, 2006 @ 2:17 PM It doesn't make sense to me. I guess I like the attitude but, it just doesn't sound musical at all.
BaBiKoLeAn	Date: April 10, 2006 @ 1:16 PM way harsh on the vocal chords.
zedsalt	Date: April 11, 2006 @ 11:36 AM If it's making your throat hurt, you're getting the rasp from the wrong place. A singer should feel the rasp in the diaphragm, not the throat. Growling and/or screaming are great for effect, but too much of it in one listening makes me sleepy. Maybe that comes from going to bed to the tune of all that Heavy Metal in the late '70s/early '80s.
PoisonCornFl...	Date: April 12, 2006 @ 5:10 AM the only screaming i like is the sound of someone screaming in a back alleyway
zedsalt	Date: April 12, 2006 @ 11:38 AM Even then, a little variety is nice, some dynamic range...y'know, quiet sobs, conversation-level pleas for mercy, etc. Mix it up a little, people!
GeneHilbert	Date: April 12, 2006 @ 11:43 AM zedsalt..... LOL
DeadraveN	Date: April 12, 2006 @ 11:35 PM @zed...
ScienceHarbor	Date: April 13, 2006 @ 12:33 AM I like every sound from growling to crooning just so long as it fits the music. Screaming out of passion or anger or passionate anger definately rocks. Think cursive, you always think they're going to go all screamo on you but you realize they're just enunciate words that need to be enuciated in such and such a manner. If the shoe fits, wear it I say.
Alecs	Date: April 13, 2006 @ 10:24 AM I agree with ScienceHarbor. As long as it fits the music, I like it. Wintersun, Opeth, Children of Bodom and bands like them do it well, I think. Bands like Cattle Decapitation don't.
EchoMinor	Date: April 13, 2006 @ 3:53 PM i do love a mix of both growling and screaming: GRRR GRRR GRRR smack smack smack AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH! "oooh pull on my hair!" GRRR GRRR GRRR! smack smack smack
justwilliam	Date: April 14, 2006 @ 6:16 AM i usually can't stand it
EchoMinor	Date: May 21, 2006 @ 9:47 PM i only like cradle of filth and opeth's take on screaming. they mix it up a bit, cradle mixes black metal styles,death, and very bass vocals. and we all know the opeth singer has a folkish voice when singing clean.
OneofFour	Date: May 23, 2006 @ 1:43 AM I growl when I sing, I use it as a vocal technique like vibrato or vowel shaping. I take my growling from Tom Waits, who was an all-time extremely individual musician in everything he did, especially his singing technique. I don't think anyone should strive to growl or scream if they think people will accept it(unless you're in it for the money, which is fine, just stop stealing my gigs!) I lvoe Lamb of God and Opeth for their vocal techniques, because you can hear every single word, whether they're growling or singing. and the metal singing in Lamb of God is amazingly well-intoned, he is growling a note, rather than just scraping his trachea.
desiderata	Date: May 26, 2006 @ 7:49 PM Save the growling and screaming for the bedroom. Music should be sung, intelligibly.
Woof	Date: May 26, 2006 @ 11:47 PM Growling and screaming are okay, but my favorite is choking and gagging... like Naomi Watts does in that scene in "The Ring". You know, when she's coughing up that medallion attached to the long, long piece of twine? That was awesome... I think it went on for a minute or more. How come that kinda thing doesn't find it's way into songs? I'm really into it!
woodhead	Date: May 27, 2006 @ 6:13 PM Growling and screaming are what is in for a lot of metal bands. The growling or "cookie Monster" vocal style has been along for over ten years now. I agree when some one said that to be in a certain style of metal it is a must, Cannibal Corpse would not have had the effect with out the cookie monster and the same thing with Black metal, remember the "cookie Monster" vocals in my opinion are supposed to represent evil, and well it does to me. I am not a fan of Death metal or black metal or even screamo metal, although some of the screamo can be cool, like slip not but it is a Genre that a lot of kids like, and I do mean kids. We have done all ages show with screamo bands and the kids just go nuts over it, so screamo and death metal or now what Black Sabbath and King diamond were in their times, and well most people who do not like this style are well older and don't understand the concept about it. Remember when the Beatles first came out the older generations did not like them either but their fans and fans of the Genre loved them.
jewsus	Date: June 30, 2006 @ 7:45 PM i really don't think age has anything to do with it. well, maybe to a certain extent. i mean, young kids don't really get into serious death metal and black metal, simply because of the fact that they have no means to go about listening to it. most of what today's youth listen to, as far as metal is concerned, is commercialized garbage. to say only kids get into the genre though doesn't sound quite right to me. i know plenty of older adults who get into it. many people have followed the progression metal has taken throughout the years. now, if you're talking about people ages 40-60 then i can understand. they weren't really part of the era that enjoyed much screaming. well, maybe some of the younger 40 year olds. so yeah, i kinda agree with you, but i kinda don't. cos i'm not really a kid, even if you may think 22 is a young'en.
woodhead	Date: June 30, 2006 @ 9:29 PM I started listening to metal in the late 70's and was a true metal head by 82, so I have been listening to metal for quite a while. When I said "kids" are the main supporters of Scremo, Death Metal and Black metal I meant just that, people between the ages of 14 to about 23 - 24, this is the biggest support for that has always has been, and also the biggest followings have also been mostly men in this age group. not trying to be an ass but speaking in reality. and one last thought about this, to be a true muscian and to have a true understanding of music I beleive you have to have an open mind and ear to all music forms, because it is as simple as this, if it is good it is good and if it is bad...well you know the saying.
BIR	Date: July 1, 2006 @ 9:20 AM Soulfly yeaaaa.. eye for an eye.. Thats the real deal.
zedsalt	Date: July 1, 2006 @ 11:51 AM I don't think of Clarence "Frogman" Henry as either old or evil...
zedsalt	Date: July 1, 2006 @ 11:52 AM DAMMIT!!! I meant to say that I don't think of him as particularly NEW and evil!
GeneHilbert	Date: July 1, 2006 @ 12:16 PM would not have had the effect with out the cookie monster and the same thing with Black metal, remember the "cookie Monster" vocals in my opinion are supposed to represent evil............ LOL
Industrial-B...	Date: July 3, 2006 @ 3:18 AM I love it, but I am a huge fan of Death and Black so enjoying growling is a bit important.
jewsus	Date: July 4, 2006 @ 10:49 AM i getcha woodhead. just wasn't sure what your definition of "kids" was.
TameasDust	Date: August 1, 2006 @ 11:37 PM
Wildy1	Date: August 1, 2006 @ 11:40 PM No One can growl like Ertha Kit
Opossum	Date: August 2, 2006 @ 1:27 AM Sampled, altered whispering, ala Skinny Puppy. Whisper whisper whisper...Scream...whisper whisper
Opossum	Date: August 2, 2006 @ 1:28 AM Back on their first album. I remember spending time trying to work out what they were whispering.
GreatGooglyM...	Date: August 2, 2006 @ 3:13 AM Screaming sucks. Growling is awesome if it's done well. A la Mikael Åkerfeldt.
GreatGooglyM...	Date: August 2, 2006 @ 3:15 AM Seriously, what the fuck? If you think growling doesn't belong to music or it should be sung, you can really consider your musical taste outdated or at least narrow.
zedsalt	Date: August 2, 2006 @ 12:01 PM Couldn't the same be said of screaming?
GreatGooglyM...	Date: August 2, 2006 @ 4:12 PM Well, I consider growling as an form of art. Cause it actually takes a lot of practice to do well. Screaming on the other doesn't, and it also might permanentaly damage your voice. Amongs the metal fans (who are the biggest elitists I know) screaming is despised. Then again good vocalists who can do versatile growls are worshipped as gods. If you listen the modern metal, the vocals are pretty much always growled. I understand that it might sound pointless or off-putting for someone who's not used to it, but growling shouldn't be compared with singing. You could basically say the same thing about rap. It might first sound like talking on a beat, but it actually takes a lot of skill to do well. Screaming does not take skill. Everyone can scream, but not growl. Yes, I'm an elitist asshat.
EvilPicnic	Date: August 2, 2006 @ 5:04 PM Screaming doesn't permanently damage your voice, it only does so when you do it poorly. Not everyone can scream. You need to develop the correct technique to do it safely and that requires a fair bit of dedication and applied skill. Anything can be art, GGM, it depends on perspective.
GreatGooglyM...	Date: August 3, 2006 @ 3:18 AM Quite so, but still, screaming = shit.
JamesThomson	Date: August 3, 2006 @ 6:07 AM It's an aquired taste, screaming. I personally dont like it as it often ruins music. only pantera have pulled it off in my head.
EvilPicnic	Date: August 3, 2006 @ 6:53 AM
GreatGooglyM...	Date: August 3, 2006 @ 10:25 AM Everything's an acquired taste James.
jewsus	Date: August 3, 2006 @ 2:16 PM i disagree with you mr. moogly. not about acquired tastes, but about screaming being shitty and not taking any talent to do it. sure, anyone can scream and sound like shit, but with the right vocalist it can sound much more emotional than growling. IMO too many of today's growlers sound like emotionless fucktards. not to say that there aren't any good growlers. many vocalists have the ability to mix up their pitches and make it sound wonderful. but screaming still takes the cake when it comes to emotion. btw, the only thing pantera can pull off is my dick. phil anselmo is a horrible vocalist.
jewsus	Date: August 3, 2006 @ 2:18 PM i disagree with you mr. moogly. not about acquired tastes, but about screaming being shitty and not taking any talent to do it. sure, anyone can scream and sound like shit, but with the right vocalist it can sound much more emotional than growling. IMO too many of today's growlers sound like emotionless fucktards. not to say that there aren't any good growlers. many vocalists have the ability to mix up their pitches and make it sound wonderful. but screaming still takes the cake when it comes to emotion. btw, the only thing pantera can pull off is my dick. phil anselmo is a horrible vocalist.
JamesThomson	Date: August 3, 2006 @ 2:44 PM i feel really hurt what about serj from system of a down?
Intergalacti...	Date: August 3, 2006 @ 2:45 PM mix it up my favourite vocalist behind freddie mercury and aretha polly paulusma is corey taylor oh and jamie cullum
kingo	Date: August 3, 2006 @ 2:47 PM That's the dumbest thing anyone's ever said." id="238383">"phil anselmo is a horrible vocalist." That's the dumbest thing anyone's ever said.
sqrlcub	Date: August 3, 2006 @ 4:41 PM I know this is an older post but generally I find that the heavy metal growls/screams to be very dated. I listened to music like that 15 or more years ago. Hell, I even played in a grindcore band at that time, and it completely feels like high school when I hear it now. With that said, I still like it when it is done well. You can do some pretty musical and expressive things with the growls if you think it through and don't completely overdo it.
GreatGooglyM...	Date: August 3, 2006 @ 4:51 PM Oh fuck... First of all, Phil was a good vocalist, but as a person he was a complete dick, who's in way responsible for Dime's death. jewsus, dude... I know you listen black metal. So do I and I really respect the vocalists. The screaming I'm talking about, is the kind of screaming that these goddamn metalcore and nu-metal poser bands do. A la Shadows Fall, Slipknot, Killswitch Engage, Lamb Of God. The list is endless. Finally, don't judge artist's emotion. You can't do it. No one can, except the artist itself.
jewsus	Date: August 3, 2006 @ 8:41 PM i'm sorry, but phil is a horrible vocalist. i stand by that 100%. i also think the rest of his band sucked. but that's my opinion, and, as we all know, opinions can hardly be called stupid. i getcha now with the numtal bands moogly. yeah, you really can't tell if a vocalist is emotional really. but certain types of vocals come off with an air of emotion easier than others. i mean sure, the vocalist might not sound emotional, but it could very well be a song that means a lot to them. or vice versa. that being said. serj has a unique voice, and i don't really think i'd consider him a bad vocalist. he's ok for what he does i guess. i don't much care for that style of music though, and i feel like in the past couple of years their songs lack the meaning that they used to have. also i think they should never EVER let that guitarist sing. now that guy sounds horrible.
EvilPicnic	Date: August 4, 2006 @ 5:12 AM Absolutely. They should duct-tape up Daron's mouth.
EvilPicnic	Date: August 4, 2006 @ 5:15 AM
GreatGooglyM...	Date: August 4, 2006 @ 5:38 AM You should check out Mikael Åkerfeldt. Even Satan can't growl like that and his clean vox are amazing.
DestinedForN...	Date: August 27, 2006 @ 3:02 AM Anders Fridén of In Flames.
GeneHilbert	Date: August 27, 2006 @ 4:02 AM Come on people - pus running out of someone’s ass can be considered art by some; but that doesn't mean I want to see, or even qualify its existence. If you want to sing; then sing. If you want to record snorts, growls, fluctuation, salivation, digestive bowel sounds. Regurgitations, secretions, or any conceived or as of yet un-conceived bodily functions. Then by all means have at it. But art.....? Life is filled with disgusting realities of the dark side of human nature. Dismay, education, awareness, activism, motivation, exhilaration, pleasure, humor, fun, mocking, jest and love?.... Oh my…….Yes Reflection.....? I see enough horror, grief, sorrow, dismay, angst, retribution, suspicion, greed, lust, and opportunism in the world. I don't need to or care to be entertained by it. Especially in yeti speech…..
shouhei	Date: August 27, 2006 @ 6:16 AM I fully appreciate screaming/growling in black/death metal. I see it as an expansion of the way we use our voice to express different things with timbre. I was having a discussion last night with my friend about how singers never really try to make too many different noises, we have the most complicated instrument at our constant disposal but all I ever seem to hear is that crappy soul vibrato all over the place. I wanna hear octave displacement, and gurgling. Sidsel Endresen pulls off some cool noises pretty well, but I ain't heard much else, and it's all a bit avant-garde for me when she starts going mental. hm.
Rikki27	Date: August 27, 2006 @ 9:14 AM when the Beatles did screams it was good because they didnt do it very often. But when bands add screams and growls in EVERY SINGLE SONG! it gets repititive and boring, and frankly annoying

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